7D Mark II for Photokina? [CR1]

[ronderick]

We know Canon is watching very carefully how the pro-market reacts to the death of the APS-H sensor. (Repeat after me: Canon will not put an APS-H sensor in a 7D. Canon will not put an APS-H sensor in a 7D...)

But, they could decide to sufficiently upgrade the 7D to target pro-sports and wildlife shooters. Either in a base model or in a 7D-X.

Don't know about whether they're going to stick the APS-H sensor in or not, but one thing Canon can do is to upgrade/update the original 18MP sensor (seems like there's been complaints about it...).

Of course, we can always hope for a better AF system ;D

 

[AprilForever]

If Canon lowers the MP of the 7D mk II, I will not get one.

If they make it ASP-H, I will smite Canon!

 

[wickidwombat]

We know Canon is watching very carefully how the pro-market reacts to the death of the APS-H sensor. (Repeat after me: Canon will not put an APS-H sensor in a 7D. Canon will not put an APS-H sensor in a 7D...)

But, they could decide to sufficiently upgrade the 7D to target pro-sports and wildlife shooters. Either in a base model or in a 7D-X.

Don't know about whether they're going to stick the APS-H sensor in or not, but one thing Canon can do is to upgrade/update the original 18MP sensor (seems like there's been complaints about it...).

Of course, we can always hope for a better AF system ;D

since you said that i heard they are going to put the 5DII AF into it

 

[JonJT]

I'm in agreement with everyone that thinks that the 7Dmkii will be of higher megapixel count and will remain APS-C. An ASP-H 7D would cut off the upgrade path for those 7D users who have invested heavily in EF and EF-S lenses (particularly the latter) and have become accustomed to the FOV provided by the lenses they have purchased.

Of course, I'm assuming that the 60D remains the "super rebel" it currently is. Turning the 60D into an APS-C 7D replacement is just as unlikely as an APS-H 7Dmkii, IMO. Rather, the 7D will stay APS-C and, will simply be improved upon. The issue is simply, what will be changed?

I'd like to see a significant improvement in low light and high ISO performance, something to stoutly supersede the performance of Nikon and Sony's best APS-C cameras. That would entice this 60D owner to trade in his body for this new beastie.

 

[CatfishSoupFTW]

i hope this baby does show up sooon! im dying for a replacement of my 40D !

 

[AllSeeingEye]

response to Nikon V1/J1

This ugly crap doesn't need any response.

Though APS-C'ed mirrorless camera from Canon could be nice in theory, I don't see Canon fractionating it's product line with another set of cams and lenses.

 

[D_Rochat]

JonJT, whether or not Canon puts an APS-H sensor in the 7D is unknown (likely or not) and I don't believe they are concerned about your investments in EF-S lenses. They might look at it as more lens sales. IF (and a big one) they do go the APS-H route, maybe they'd be nice enough to make it an APS-C mount on it like Nikon has for their FF. I don't see why they couldn't. I don't agree with the FOV argument either. Most people move up to the zD line because they are progressing and need/want better equipment. Adapting to new equipment is just part of progress.

What ever they choose to do with the 7D, I just think there needs to be more separation between the zzD line and the 7D. IMHO, there just isn't enough at the moment. According to Canon's release timeline, they are also due to put out the 70D and if you were to make the 60D any better, it would be as good if not better than the current 7D. I'm tired. Am I making any sense?

I understand they can't make it too good or it may hurt sales in the rest of the lineup, but I think making it sort of a mini 1Dx with an APS-? sensor would be the best move. Improve the image processor, ISO performance to at least 12,800 before expansion, maybe 10fps RAW, improved battery grip with more function (still a separate purchase), more cross-type AF points, etc. Sort of a 1Dx Lite.

As I said before, the mkII is likely going to be my replacement and I just hope it's not just a lazy attempt to sell more cameras. I'd like it to stand out and shine against it's competitors and the zzD line. It would be nice to have the APS-H with EF-S capability though.

 

[JonJT]

JonJT, whether or not Canon puts an APS-H sensor in the 7D is unknown (likely or not) and I don't believe they are concerned about your investments in EF-S lenses. They might look at it as more lens sales. IF (and a big one) they do go the APS-H route, maybe they'd be nice enough to make it an APS-C mount on it like Nikon has for their FF. I don't see why they couldn't. I don't agree with the FOV argument either. Most people move up to the zD line because they are progressing and need/want better equipment. Adapting to new equipment is just part of progress.

What ever they choose to do with the 7D, I just think there needs to be more separation between the zzD line and the 7D. IMHO, there just isn't enough at the moment. According to Canon's release timeline, they are also due to put out the 70D and if you were to make the 60D any better, it would be as good if not better than the current 7D. I'm tired. Am I making any sense?

I understand they can't make it too good or it may hurt sales in the rest of the lineup, but I think making it sort of a mini 1Dx with an APS-? sensor would be the best move. Improve the image processor, ISO performance to at least 12,800 before expansion, maybe 10fps RAW, improved battery grip with more function (still a separate purchase), more cross-type AF points, etc. Sort of a 1Dx Lite.

As I said before, the mkII is likely going to be my replacement and I just hope it's not just a lazy attempt to sell more cameras. I'd like it to stand out and shine against it's competitors and the zzD line. It would be nice to have the APS-H with EF-S capability though.

Hmmm well, I'm not convinced that Canon needs to move to APS-H to create the 7Dmkii that they and hopefully we think they should produce. But, of course, that remains to be seen.

 

[briansquibb]

I suspect that Canon see sports lens as big white things - which explains why there are no EF-S above 250mm - and no top EF-S after the 15-85. In fact there are very few L quality IQ EF-S lens so why would they worry about keeping that going

Just a thought that the APS-H could be developed easily to be 25mps with low noise, much easier than doing it with APS-C

 

[EOS 5D Mark III]

Looks like 2012 will be a very busy year for Canon...

EOS 650D
EOS 1D X
EOS 5D Mark III
EOS 7D Mark II

I don't see this will happen!

 

[handsomerob]

Looks like 2012 will be a very busy year for Canon...

EOS 650D
EOS 1D X
EOS 5D Mark III
EOS 7D Mark II

I don't see this will happen!

Why not?

1Dx is already certain.
650D is also pretty much certain since they announce a new Rebel every year. This is the most important segment to keep "fresh" to attract first time DSLR buyers.
Lots of 5DIII rumors lately, it's also long overdue.
And finally, what is better than a 7DII for Canon to steal the show at Photokina? 7D will be 3 yo by then.

Canon likes busy years, since they released 3 or 4 cameras before, all in the same year:

3 cameras in 2007 (40D, 1DIII and 1DsIII)
4 cameras in 2008 (1000D, 450D, 50D and 5DII)
3 cameras in 2009 (500D, 7D and 1DIV)

2010 and 2011 were rather quiet with only 2 cameras each year. So I think we deserve a satisfying new year

 

[Doodah]

It's getting VERY competitive out there. Mirrorless cameras have snatched up 40% of the Japanese market for cameras with interchangeable lenses.

In 2008, Nikon released 4 cameras: D60, D90, D3X, D700 and Canon released 1000D, 50D and 5D2. In 2009, Nikon D3000, D5000, D300s, D3s were released and Canon responded with 500D, 7D and 1D4.

It is entirely conceivable for Canon to release 4 cameras in 2012. Besides, the 1DX has already been announced in 2011 and shipment was probably delayed by natural calamities in Asia.

 

[lol]

I'd guess higher MP APS-C for the sensor too. Can't see a sensor size change if the model number is kept, but that doesn't exclude a new model in the lineup, since I feel there is a gap left by the 1D X which could be filled in many ways.

The 18MP sensor introduced with the 7D has been stuck in *almost* every APS-C camera Canon released since, so I think it likely whatever is in the 7D2 will also go into other lower bodies in due course. Sony are already at 24MP, and I doubt Nikon will sit on 16MP for too long either. So for a consumer level target I'd say more is more, but at the same time wouldn't write off the possibility they split the line into two major sensor types (excluding xxxxD), although I don't feel this as likely.

 

[Wadee]

Moment what I've waited for if this is true now can't wait to hear specs of it!

 

[candyman]

....................can't wait to hear specs of it!

Yes, I would like to have some CR2 / CR3 level rumors with camera specs too!
Lately we get rumors that only addresses the possible announcement dates ....

 

[K-amps]

My predictions are almost always wrong... so here goes nothing:

• The 7D2 stays APS-C: Current EF-S owners will not upgrade to a APS-H sensor and re-buy their glass.
• If Canon thinks there's a need for the APS-H Since the 1D is gone; (Ex-APS-H guys or current FF guys wanting the extra reach), they could announce a 6D = APS-H sensor instead
  
  

The naming convention is so convenient isnt it The smaller the sensor the larger the model number etc. So 5 and below = FF, 6 = 1.3x crop, 7 and above 1.6x crop maybe even have the Kiss line add a 2.0x crop in future further reducing the cost of the entry level DSLR.

 

[EYEONE]

I don't think Canon will make the 7D II a APS-H. I think it actually makes a lot of sense for them too. They can make the 7DII APS-H and then put the 70D much higher in the range to take the place of the 7D for people that want to stick with their EF-S Lenses.

I'm only really in the market for a FF camera in the future so I'm not so concerned with what the 7DII will be. I'm happy with my 7D now. But I will be much less likely to upgrade it if it's just a high MP APS-C camera. Canon needs to either redesign the 18mp sensor or put a APS-H in it for me to be interested.

I know I'm not the normal customer perhaps. I have no EF-S lenses to worry about and I'm content with my 7D. The 7D's AF is fantastic, the build quality is great and the feature list is outstanding. The only thing the 7D really needs is a new sensor. I would be fine with the amount of noise at high ISOs if the pattern was prettier.

 

[moreorless]

I don't think Canon will make the 7D II a APS-H. I think it actually makes a lot of sense for them too. They can make the 7DII APS-H and then put the 70D much higher in the range to take the place of the 7D for people that want to stick with their EF-S Lenses.

I'm only really in the market for a FF camera in the future so I'm not so concerned with what the 7DII will be. I'm happy with my 7D now. But I will be much less likely to upgrade it if it's just a high MP APS-C camera. Canon needs to either redesign the 18mp sensor or put a APS-H in it for me to be interested.

I know I'm not the normal customer perhaps. I have no EF-S lenses to worry about and I'm content with my 7D. The 7D's AF is fantastic, the build quality is great and the feature list is outstanding. The only thing the 7D really needs is a new sensor. I would be fine with the amount of noise at high ISOs if the pattern was prettier.

As has been said though going ASPH would be users with EF-S lenses would be less likely to upgrade and would also mean that the new system lacked UWA coverage, not a problem for the 1D but the 7D has been marketed as a more all round system.

If Canon really wanted to target the 1D userbase then I'd guess staying at 18 megapixels, upping the AF and FPS would be the most obvious way to go with the extra range of the 1.6 crop being the big selling point.

 

[AprilForever]

What many commenting here don't seem to get is the two main draws of the 7D:

1. 1.6x crop sensor. This is a huge reason of why I wanted it over the 5D. I need the reach. A 800 5.6 is simply out of my reach financially. And, it;s pretty unwieldy to boot.

2. 18 mp. This is hugely important for bird and wildlife photography. Fewer pixels would mean less to work with, and more problems when working with it.

 

[EYEONE]

I don't think Canon will make the 7D II a APS-H. I think it actually makes a lot of sense for them too. They can make the 7DII APS-H and then put the 70D much higher in the range to take the place of the 7D for people that want to stick with their EF-S Lenses.

I'm only really in the market for a FF camera in the future so I'm not so concerned with what the 7DII will be. I'm happy with my 7D now. But I will be much less likely to upgrade it if it's just a high MP APS-C camera. Canon needs to either redesign the 18mp sensor or put a APS-H in it for me to be interested.

I know I'm not the normal customer perhaps. I have no EF-S lenses to worry about and I'm content with my 7D. The 7D's AF is fantastic, the build quality is great and the feature list is outstanding. The only thing the 7D really needs is a new sensor. I would be fine with the amount of noise at high ISOs if the pattern was prettier.

As has been said though going ASPH would be users with EF-S lenses would be less likely to upgrade and would also mean that the new system lacked UWA coverage, not a problem for the 1D but the 7D has been marketed as a more all round system.

If Canon really wanted to target the 1D userbase then I'd guess staying at 18 megapixels, upping the AF and FPS would be the most obvious way to go with the extra range of the 1.6 crop being the big selling point.

I understand that but I addressed that issue in my post. Users of the 7D that want to update (ones with lots of EF-S) can look at the new xxD. The APS-C market is a little too crowded. I think moving the 7D up and allowing the 70D to return the xxD line to it's historic position could work. Make it a $1400 camera with some of the speed and possibly the AF system of the 7D and a new sensor. As it stands Canon has 4 cameras with the same sensor between $800 and $1400

No one here has suggested that you lose your 1.6 crop. If you want that there will be plenty of new 1.6 crop cameras (xxD)

All of this is useless anyway because Canon isn't going to do it. The 7D will be APS-C and it will have tons of MPs.