7DII vs Samsung NX1

[Khalai]

i am curious what canon has to say about this question:

3) The 7D line has been a bestseller in the enthusiast market for the past 5 years but the new model barely moves an inch forwards from the cheaper 70D. After such a long period of time was it Canon’s intention to position the 6D as the real 7D replacement and if so, how do you excuse such poor video quality on the 6D considering the enthusiasts it is aimed at? For video it is not a low end product but it performs like one.

http://www.eoshd.com/2014/09/10-questions-ill-asking-canon-nikon-photokina-join-present/

10fps vs 7fps, 65 vs 19 AF, dual cards, better viewfinder, better ergonomics and etc. points seems more than an inch to me, but I'm curious to all the questions asked in the link

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Man, I couldn't wait to use the NX1 with its fine selection of 3 lenses.

Given the current state of the art in on-sensor PDAF, the question is how many of those 15FPS would be in focus shooting moving subjects? It would be lucky to get 3 in focus.

 

[Quest for Light]

lenses are sure a problem but to be honest i see many DSLR owner who have only a kit lens and a 50mm prime.

for them it will be no problem to get a better specced samsung and be happy.

the NX30 AF is not that bad.
thought continous AF is as bad as on other mirrorless cameras.

I'm primarily an outdoor action-sports photographer who spends a lot of time way up in the mountains, I'm always interested in small, light cameras that have great action performance. The NX30 can shoot full-resolution raw bursts as fast as nine frames per second. That's fast -- faster than the Canon EOS 7D I've been using for most of my action shooting over the past few years.

The NX30 also has a hybrid autofocus system that combines contrast-detection and phase-detection autofocus for increased accuracy and speed. My contacts at Samsung assured me that the camera's action performance was amazing, and that I would be impressed. I've had a chance to shoot a lot of mountain biking with it now, and I am prepared to pass judgment. Read on to learn how the NX30 performed in my world -- a world dominated my mountain biking and other high-speed activities of doubtful value.
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I've mostly used the NX30 with Samsung's 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 OIS kit lens and 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED II OS zoom lenses. With those two lenses I've got a very versatile, compact and relatively lightweight kit that works for nearly everything and easily fits in the hydration pack I use when mountain biking. However, if I owned the NX30, I'd get the Samsung 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 ED OIS zoom to replace the two lenses I've been using, and I'd also pick up their new 16-50mm f/2-2.8 Premium S OIS zoom -- one of the fastest zoom lenses available for any interchangeable lens camera system. With those two lenses, I'd have a great all-purpose compact camera kit: one super-versatile zoom for all-purpose travel and outdoor shooting, and one fast-aperture professional lens for low light photos, portraits and anything else that requires depth-of-field control and top-shelf optics.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx30/samsung-nx30-shooters-report-part-ii.htm

so if they have enhanced the autofocus on the NX1 most people will have nothing to complain i guess. for the sport and action shooter a DSLR will sure still have some benefits.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

Although I can certainly get great action photos by planning my shots and pre-focusing, having usable continuous autofocus makes a camera much, much more versatile to me. But so far, I've been disappointed with the continuous autofocus performance of almost every mirrorless camera I've used.* Even with these new hybrid AF systems, I still get better continuous autofocus results from most entry-level DSLRs. I was hoping the NX30 would be an exception to that rule.

Unfortunately, the NX30 falls into the disappointing category when it comes to continuous autofocus performance. I have about twenty years of experience shooting high-speed action with autofocus SLRs, including motorsports, cycling, snow sports, etc. With the DSLRs I usually use, I get consistent in-focus high-speed bursts of subjects accelerating towards me. That was not the case with the NX30, though.

I tried all kinds of variations in focus area, point position and focal length, but no matter what I did, the camera's AF system wasn't able to keep up with even relatively slow-moving mountain bikers -- at least not with the 18-55mm and 55-250mm zoom lenses I had for testing. As a control, I also tried shooting bursts as I walked towards a brick wall in bright sunlight. That's a focusing task I think the camera should handle easily. At walking speeds, I did get better results, especially with the 18-55mm kit lens, but they still weren't good enough for me to risk with serious, irreplaceable photo opportunities.


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The bottom line is that I need consistent, predictable and accurate performance, and the NX30's continuous autofocus did not provide that -- at least not for the mountain biking that I shoot most of the time. I can't afford to gamble with iffy autofocus. To be fair, the NX30's continuous AF was on-par with most mirrorless cameras I've used, and I was still able to get plenty of great action photos using single AF, planning my shots and pre-focusing. For any kind of racing or paid commercial work, though, I'd leave the NX30 at home and bring one of my trustworthy DSLRs.

 

[123Photog]

for them it will be no problem to get a better specced samsung and be happy.

the NX30 AF is not that bad.
thought continous AF is as bad as on other mirrorless cameras.

I'm primarily an outdoor action-sports photographer who spends a lot of time way up in the mountains, I'm always interested in small, light cameras that have great action performance. The NX30 can shoot full-resolution raw bursts as fast as nine frames per second. That's fast -- faster than the Canon EOS 7D I've been using for most of my action shooting over the past few years.

The NX30 also has a hybrid autofocus system that combines contrast-detection and phase-detection autofocus for increased accuracy and speed. My contacts at Samsung assured me that the camera's action performance was amazing, and that I would be impressed. I've had a chance to shoot a lot of mountain biking with it now, and I am prepared to pass judgment. Read on to learn how the NX30 performed in my world -- a world dominated my mountain biking and other high-speed activities of doubtful value.
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I've mostly used the NX30 with Samsung's 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 OIS kit lens and 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED II OS zoom lenses. With those two lenses I've got a very versatile, compact and relatively lightweight kit that works for nearly everything and easily fits in the hydration pack I use when mountain biking. However, if I owned the NX30, I'd get the Samsung 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 ED OIS zoom to replace the two lenses I've been using, and I'd also pick up their new 16-50mm f/2-2.8 Premium S OIS zoom -- one of the fastest zoom lenses available for any interchangeable lens camera system. With those two lenses, I'd have a great all-purpose compact camera kit: one super-versatile zoom for all-purpose travel and outdoor shooting, and one fast-aperture professional lens for low light photos, portraits and anything else that requires depth-of-field control and top-shelf optics.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx30/samsung-nx30-shooters-report-part-ii.htm

so if they have enhanced the autofocus on the NX1 most people will have nothing to complain i guess. for the sport and action shooter a DSLR will sure still have some benefits.

A friend has the NX30 and it´s a nice camera.
AF is fine for most cases. At least as good a other mirrorless cameras.

Mirrorless are not dedicated sport cameras, that is something the DSLR still leads.

But not everyone needs the best continous AF.
I rarely do.

And let´s not forget we speak about a NEW camera here not the old NX30.

 

[123Photog]

Man, I couldn't wait to use the NX1 with its fine selection of 3 lenses.

A few more to stay true.

http://www.samsung.com/global/nx/lenses/index.html

+ a new 50-150mm f/2.8 S ED OIS

 

[123Photog]

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/6818936680/nx-t-generation-samsung-nx1-first-impressions-review

Samsung is certainly an ambitious company, and its efforts have paid off with a global mirrorless market share that only falls behind Sony. It's done some experimentation (DualView, Galaxy Camera) and made some more conventional cameras (NX30, NX3000). With the NX1, Samsung is trying to appeal to the enthusiast market, with a spec sheet that surpassed my expectations. And, based on my initial experiences with the camera, it's done an impressive job.

The first time I picked up the NX1 it had Samsung's beastly 16-50mm F2-2.8 premium 'S' lens attached, which weighs 622g (1.4lbs). After taking that off, I found the camera to be quite light and well built. That is, with the exception of the various dials, which feel cheap. The NX1 feels just right in my hands, with a perfectly sized grip and easy access to the two main control dials. I'm less of a fan of the four direct buttons that sit above the Nikon-style drive switch on the left of the viewfinder hump, for a few reasons. For one, they're small and out of the way, and I found myself having to move the camera away from my eye to use them. The dial on the bottom is nice, though I'm not a big fan of the locking mechanism.

Actually taking photos is a pleasant experience. The camera starts up fairly quickly, and focus speeds are impressive, though I'm not convinced that it's the fastest system out there (those claims are usually made under very controlled conditions). Given the NX1's Hybrid AF system, which has phase detect points over 90% of the frame, I expected it to be pretty good at subject tracking, and when fooling around the office it seems to work well. The NX1's 15fps burst mode is quite impressive, as well.

Both the OLED display and EVF are fantastic, and the user interface is very pretty. The touch features work as you'd expect, and I prefer using them for navigating the menus, as using the directional buttons is a bit sluggish.

Video is a huge part of the NX1's story, with 4K support and the use of the new H.265 codec. The usual manual exposure controls are there, as well as focus peaking and zebra pattern, as well as mic and headphone ports. It's too early to evaluate video quality (and photo quality, for that matter), but we're looking forward to it - right after we buy that 4K TV.

Samsung has made improvements to their already elaborate Wi-Fi system with the addition of 802.11ac and Bluetooth. Unfortunately I wasn't able to try them out, but the idea of using Bluetooth to speed up camera-to-smartphone pairing is intriguing.

The NX1 finds itself amongst some fierce competition, both from mirrorless and DSLR cameras. Olympus, Sony, and Fujifilm have established themselves as leaders in the mirrorless space, and all offer excellent enthusiast products. And let's not forget about DSLRs such as the Canon 7D and Nikon D7100, which have a similar price tag and also have a lot to offer. On paper at least, the NX1 surpasses those cameras in terms of continuous shooting speed, movie recording, and Wi-Fi functionality, while image quality and AF performance remain to be seen.

While I don't believe that the majority of enthusiasts who are already invested in other systems will suddenly sell everything and jump ship to Samsung, those who own a more basic ILC with a lens or two may well find the NX1 to be a very compelling product, if it lives up to its significant promise.

 

[infared]

hmmmm....... a comparison between two rumoured cameras.....

Well.....this is a rumor website..... :

 

[infared]

I am finding it difficult to hero worship Canon any longer.

Yes...as far as camera bodies go and sensor...they certainly are not WOWing anyone!!!
All the exciting news these days is in the mirrorless segment and...dare I say...Sigma lenses!?!?
:-X

 

[the blackfox]

its really making me chuckle all these comments regarding a camera thats still NOT been announced .all we have is RUMOURS re specs and MADE UP PICS ,i'll hold my comments till i see the 7d2 on a canon web site : : : :

 

[123Photog]

its really making me chuckle all these comments regarding a camera thats still NOT been announced .all we have is RUMOURS re specs and MADE UP PICS ,i'll hold my comments till i see the 7d2 on a canon web site : : : :

i guess you are wrong then.. on a rumor website.

 

[Darlip]

28.2 Megapixel sensor with capability of shooting 15 frames per second. Faster than 1 DX. Is it fastest image sensor up to date?

Let's wait, if it means 15fps in RAW. It may be only 15fps in JPEG, add a small buffer to it and it only look good on paper. If it's truly 28MPix at 15fps in RAW, then I'll have to find my jaw under the table - that would be an amazing feat indeed.

"The extra power also gives the Samsung NX1 a maximum continuous shooting rate of 15fps for up to 77 Fine Quality JPEGs or 40 raw files, the company says."

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2014/09/15/samsung-nx1-price-specs-release-date-confirmed/

 

[Woody]

We'll soon know if the rumored revolutionary sensor tech in the 7D2 is also based on BSI architecture.

 

[123Photog]

We'll soon know if the rumored revolutionary sensor tech in the 7D2 is also based on BSI architecture.

that would be a real and good suprise. ;D

i still think.. same 70D sensor but better DPAF features.

 

[jrista]

We'll soon know if the rumored revolutionary sensor tech in the 7D2 is also based on BSI architecture.

that would be a real and good suprise. ;D

i still think.. same 70D sensor but better DPAF features.

Agreed. I think Canon's patent for increased DPAF phase detect sensitivity is probably the bulk of the "differences" between the 70D and 7D II sensor. I highly doubt it's a new architecture...and BSI...nah.

 

[Diko]

Not a big difference from everything else. So far the innovation is the servo af. Canon desperedly needs a new cmos tech. And perhaps we will see the stack/foveon like thing in the 1dx m2 april/october next year. Otherwise asidefrom the increase of the af cross points nothing really that does matter. Oh. And the price. It is still cheaper than 6d.

 

[Tugela]

I think if you consider the target market for the NX1, which is clearly the enthusiast stills/video hybrid market, the 7D2 is not even in the game, so making a comparison between the two cameras is pointless.

The real competition for the NX1 is Panasonic's GH4 and Sony's a7s. Canon and Nikon currently have no competitive products in this market segment at all.

 

[Quest for Light]

http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/first-pictures-of-the-massive-samsung-s-300mm-f-2-8-lens-5140

 

[moreorless]

I think if you consider the target market for the NX1, which is clearly the enthusiast stills/video hybrid market, the 7D2 is not even in the game, so making a comparison between the two cameras is pointless.

The real competition for the NX1 is Panasonic's GH4 and Sony's a7s. Canon and Nikon currently have no competitive products in this market segment at all.

That would be my feeling, whilst the FPS might sound impressive but unless the tracking performances and the lens lineup appears I don't see it taking much market from the 7D mk2 in terms of action shooting.

As you say the video size seems the real appeal with a larger sensor than the GH4 and better handling(and arguebley lens specs) than the FE system.

 

[Quest for Light]

I think if you consider the target market for the NX1, which is clearly the enthusiast stills/video hybrid market, the 7D2 is not even in the game, so making a comparison between the two cameras is pointless.

The real competition for the NX1 is Panasonic's GH4 and Sony's a7s. Canon and Nikon currently have no competitive products in this market segment at all.

That would be my feeling, whilst the FPS might sound impressive but unless the tracking performances and the lens lineup appears I don't see it taking much market from the 7D mk2 in terms of action shooting.

as you can see above the 300mm f2.8 is coming and i read samsung works on a 500mm f4 too.