7DII vs Samsung NX1

[JustGunner]

I think if you consider the target market for the NX1, which is clearly the enthusiast stills/video hybrid market, the 7D2 is not even in the game, so making a comparison between the two cameras is pointless.

The real competition for the NX1 is Panasonic's GH4 and Sony's a7s. Canon and Nikon currently have no competitive products in this market segment at all.

That would be my feeling, whilst the FPS might sound impressive but unless the tracking performances and the lens lineup appears I don't see it taking much market from the 7D mk2 in terms of action shooting.

as you can see above the 300mm f2.8 is coming and i read samsung works on a 500mm f4 too.

Until I see pro photo journalists using the big white "SAMSUNG" lenses in sports/car racing events, I would not be tempted to buy the NX1. I think this Samsung NX1 will probably draw in only a few first time buyers or home video lovers. The 4K video is probably the only feature that appeals to me, but until I have enough spare money to replace my "Samsung" TV and all my computer screens plus video cards, I also don't dare to try editing any 4K videos myself.

 

[Quest for Light]

I think if you consider the target market for the NX1, which is clearly the enthusiast stills/video hybrid market, the 7D2 is not even in the game, so making a comparison between the two cameras is pointless.

The real competition for the NX1 is Panasonic's GH4 and Sony's a7s. Canon and Nikon currently have no competitive products in this market segment at all.

That would be my feeling, whilst the FPS might sound impressive but unless the tracking performances and the lens lineup appears I don't see it taking much market from the 7D mk2 in terms of action shooting.

as you can see above the 300mm f2.8 is coming and i read samsung works on a 500mm f4 too.

Until I see pro photo journalists using the big white "SAMSUNG" lenses in sports/car racing events, I would not be tempted to buy the NX1.

i guess that will happen when samsung starts to pump millions into those events like canon.

and i don´t mean advertising i mean the amount of gear they ship to such events.

http://www.popphoto.com/2012/08/check-out-insane-canon-gear-room-london-2012

 

[FEBS]

28.2 Megapixel sensor with capability of shooting 15 frames per second. Faster than 1 DX. Is it fastest image sensor up to date?

Let's wait, if it means 15fps in RAW. It may be only 15fps in JPEG, add a small buffer to it and it only look good on paper. If it's truly 28MPix at 15fps in RAW, then I'll have to find my jaw under the table - that would be an amazing feat indeed.

Wait a minute !! Did you also see that the bit depth of this camera falls back from 14 bit to 12 bit only in continuous mode. Is that what we would like to see ??

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx1/samsung-nx1A.HTM

 

[Loswr]

Wait a minute !! Did you also see that the bit depth of this camera falls back from 14 bit to 12 bit only in continuous mode. Is that what we would like to see ??

Well, that's pretty lame. I wonder how many more of these kinds of details that subtract from the top line specs will show up?

I wonder if it's selectable - can you, for example, choose 5 fps at full bit depth? Or is it that the moment you opt to shoot any kind of burst, the camera starts throwing away data?

 

[ritholtz]

More details of sensor
http://www.photographyblog.com/news/samsung_28_megapixel_aps_c_bsi_cmos_sensor/

Samsung used 65nm process to make these sensors compared to 20nm to make mobile Soc's. I think, Intel uses 16nm process to make processors. As they are keep on reducing this size, SOC's/processors become more powerful and efficient. Are there any benefits with similar trend for sensors. Which one Canon uses to make their FF and Aps-c sensors.

 

[RLPhoto]

Canon and Nikon didn't flinch one bit at sonys attempt to take a chunk of their sports market, I'm positive they aren't any more intimidated by samsung.

 

[weixing]

Hi,

28.2 Megapixel sensor with capability of shooting 15 frames per second. Faster than 1 DX. Is it fastest image sensor up to date?

Let's wait, if it means 15fps in RAW. It may be only 15fps in JPEG, add a small buffer to it and it only look good on paper. If it's truly 28MPix at 15fps in RAW, then I'll have to find my jaw under the table - that would be an amazing feat indeed.

Wait a minute !! Did you also see that the bit depth of this camera falls back from 14 bit to 12 bit only in continuous mode. Is that what we would like to see ??

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx1/samsung-nx1A.HTM

There are a lot of promo video for this camera in youtube and 15fps is one of the selling point for this camera. When they said 15fps, most people will assume that it's at full resolution at full bit depth. Not even a fine print in their website indicate this...

IMHO, if this is true, they better mention this in their camera specification as this is really bad for Samsung reputation and not a good move when you start going into a new market... just imagine what the customer will feel if they found this out after they brought this camera with the 300mm f2.8...

Hmm... just wonder is this camera 4K UHD video is in colour or black and white... ha ha ha

Have a nice day.

PS: 14-bits to 12-bits mean approx. to "saving" 7MB of data per frame.

 

[9VIII]

Ok, that's weak spec #1. Not shooting at full quality in burst mode is a big deal, and it certainly opens up a huge barrel of uncertainty.

Now I need to know what the maximum speed it will shoot full quality is.

 

[geonix]

Today I played around with the NX1 at Photokina. The specs of the NX1 are truely amazing and the body and the menus are easy to get used to. The EVF is really fast, according to Samsung the fastest they ever build. The "backlight" BSI CMOS sensor is believed to be revolutionary good, surely it won't take long before the first serious tests. The AF system worked very good under the limited conditions of photokina, it does not have as many modes as the 7D2 but still, to have over 150 AF points is totaly differend feeling and the 15fps in raw are just wonderful.

What will safe Canon is of course, the lack of samsung lenses. Samsung shows a 300mm f 2.8 prime lens at the photokina, but it is not said when this will become an available lens, not to speak of focal lengths beyond 300mm. So as amazing the NX1 and its specs may be, in the end a camera body is only half the story. What sports or wildlife photographer will switch from Canon or Nikon to Samsung if there are almost no tele lenses? For the street, landscape and travel photographers though this camera could become a game changer.

I will look forward to a real serious test of the NX1's IQ, high ISO performance, AF preformance etc. compared to the 7D2 and other recent cameras.

 

[Tugela]

Today I played around with the NX1 at Photokina. The specs of the NX1 are truely amazing and the body and the menus are easy to get used to. The EVF is really fast, according to Samsung the fastest they ever build. The "backlight" BSI CMOS sensor is believed to be revolutionary good, surely it won't take long before the first serious tests. The AF system worked very good under the limited conditions of photokina, it does not have as many modes as the 7D2 but still, to have over 150 AF points is totaly differend feeling and the 15fps in raw are just wonderful.

What will safe Canon is of course, the lack of samsung lenses. Samsung shows a 300mm f 2.8 prime lens at the photokina, but it is not said when this will become an available lens, not to speak of focal lengths beyond 300mm. So as amazing the NX1 and its specs may be, in the end a camera body is only half the story. What sports or wildlife photographer will switch from Canon or Nikon to Samsung if there are almost no tele lenses? For the street, landscape and travel photographers though this camera could become a game changer.

I will look forward to a real serious test of the NX1's IQ, high ISO performance, AF preformance etc. compared to the 7D2 and other recent cameras.

The market they are aiming at is clearly the stills/video hybrid market, and the competition there is Sony and Panasonic, not Canon. The best effort Canon has in that market is the 70D, and that is miles behind the GH4 and A7s, not to mention the new NX1.

 

[ScottyP]

Does Adobe work up a Lightroom raw converter for Samsung bodies? If not, that would be a pain. If so, do they take a while to get around to doing it when new bodies come out?

 

[Steve]

Ok, that's weak spec #1. Not shooting at full quality in burst mode is a big deal, and it certainly opens up a huge barrel of uncertainty.

Now I need to know what the maximum speed it will shoot full quality is.

Yeah, imaging-resource is the only place I've seen that and, if true, that's a HUGE asterisk next to the 15fps. If there are a few burst speeds to choose from it might not be so bad, but if its One Shot or Burst only on the selector and burst kills the bit depth then, welp...

 

[geonix]

The market they are aiming at is clearly the stills/video hybrid market, and the competition there is Sony and Panasonic, not Canon. The best effort Canon has in that market is the 70D, and that is miles behind the GH4 and A7s, not to mention the new NX1.

Than what are the 15fps and the advanced AF system for? I would say Samsung wants to show whats possible with modern DSLMs also in the sports and wildlife areas, which are still dominated by DSLRs. This camera could well clean up a lot of doubts sports and wildlife photographers have about mirrorless cameras, EVFs and so on.

The BSI-CMOS sensor, if as good as said, is at least as inovative as the current Canon and Nikon sensor developments. Although I really hope the 7D2 sensor is really a noticeable upgrade to the 70D sensor.

 

[FEBS]

Ok, that's weak spec #1. Not shooting at full quality in burst mode is a big deal, and it certainly opens up a huge barrel of uncertainty.

Now I need to know what the maximum speed it will shoot full quality is.

In the document I linked before in this tread you can find "Interestingly, though, in single-shot mode RAW files can now be 14-bit, but fall back to 12-bit in continuous mode.". So to answer your question, only single shot will offer 14-bit.

Another weak spec is the auto iso of 200-6400. Why only starting from 200. In bright light, and 2.8 lenses with max 1/8000 shutterspeed, you will need to add a nd-filter or you wil have overexposed photos. And if the sensor is really that good, why blocking the auto-iso at 6400 then? why not 25600?

 

[FEBS]

Today I played around with the NX1 at Photokina. The specs of the NX1 are truely amazing and the body and the menus are easy to get used to. The EVF is really fast, according to Samsung the fastest they ever build. The "backlight" BSI CMOS sensor is believed to be revolutionary good, surely it won't take long before the first serious tests. The AF system worked very good under the limited conditions of photokina, it does not have as many modes as the 7D2 but still, to have over 150 AF points is totaly differend feeling and the 15fps in raw are just wonderful.

What will safe Canon is of course, the lack of samsung lenses. Samsung shows a 300mm f 2.8 prime lens at the photokina, but it is not said when this will become an available lens, not to speak of focal lengths beyond 300mm. So as amazing the NX1 and its specs may be, in the end a camera body is only half the story. What sports or wildlife photographer will switch from Canon or Nikon to Samsung if there are almost no tele lenses? For the street, landscape and travel photographers though this camera could become a game changer.

I will look forward to a real serious test of the NX1's IQ, high ISO performance, AF preformance etc. compared to the 7D2 and other recent cameras.

You think a street, landscape or travel photographer would need 15fps? I think those guys need much better lenses as Samsung can offer right now.

The IQ of the NX1 in continuous mode will be below all the others as Samsung apparently only uses 12 bit in this mode. So I also would love to see the test of this camera.

 

[geonix]

You think a street, landscape or travel photographer would need 15fps? I think those guys need much better lenses as Samsung can offer right now.

The IQ of the NX1 in continuous mode will be below all the others as Samsung apparently only uses 12 bit in this mode. So I also would love to see the test of this camera.

I never said street, landscape and travel photographers need 15fps. But they could still use a camera which is capable of 15fps couldn't they?
I just tried to say, that despite the 15fps and the supposedly extrem fast autofocus for tracking moving objects, most sports and wildlife photographers won't buy it because the lack of long focal length lenses.
Just assuming the new sensor technology is as good as promised, the NX1 could make some photographers (those who don't need long lenses) buy it instead of a DSLR. Especially the ones who don't want (or afford) to buy a full-frame body.

I don't know much about the quality of the existing Samsung lenses, their specs though (F numbers) are as good as any other brand when you look at the wide angle to midrange focal length lenses.

 

[c.d.embrey]

Does Adobe work up a Lightroom raw converter for Samsung bodies? If not, that would be a pain. If so, do they take a while to get around to doing it when new bodies come out?

Capture One works with Samsung Raw. And Capture One is about as good as it gets.

Capture One has a FREE 60 Day Trial http://www.phaseone.com/PhaseOne/Imaging-Software/Capture-One.aspx BTW there is a list of ALL cameras they support.

 

[c.d.embrey]

What sports or wildlife photographer will switch from Canon or Nikon to Samsung if there are almost no tele lenses? For the street, landscape and travel photographers though this camera could become a game changer.

I will look forward to a real serious test of the NX1's IQ, high ISO performance, AF preformance etc. compared to the 7D2 and other recent cameras.

For ME, Hell would be having to shoot nothing but BIF/Wildlife, Stick & Ball Sports and Events for eternity YMMV

On paper, the NX1 and 85mm f/1.4 look like a great combo for shooting dirt-track motorsports.

 

[mkabi]

What sports or wildlife photographer will switch from Canon or Nikon to Samsung if there are almost no tele lenses? For the street, landscape and travel photographers though this camera could become a game changer.

I will look forward to a real serious test of the NX1's IQ, high ISO performance, AF preformance etc. compared to the 7D2 and other recent cameras.

For ME, Hell would be having to shoot nothing but BIF/Wildlife, Stick & Ball Sports and Events for eternity YMMV

On paper, the NX1 and 85mm f/1.4 look like a great combo for shooting dirt-track motorsports.

Speaking of which, what is the crop factor of the NX1?
Is their 45mm, their 50mm equivalent?

 

[Policar]

More details of sensor
http://www.photographyblog.com/news/samsung_28_megapixel_aps_c_bsi_cmos_sensor/

Samsung used 65nm process to make these sensors compared to 20nm to make mobile Soc's. I think, Intel uses 16nm process to make processors. As they are keep on reducing this size, SOC's/processors become more powerful and efficient. Are there any benefits with similar trend for sensors. Which one Canon uses to make their FF and Aps-c sensors.

Canon uses a 500nm process on FF sensors, but it's possible the 7D and 70D use a 180nm process.