A Canon DSLR Rumor Roundup Heading into 2018

[rrcphoto]

perhaps Canon's lacklustre performance

...is a figment of your imagination.

Nikon down 10%
Canon as a company is flat over the last 5 years
Sony has tripled in value
S&P 500 has gone up 66%

Looking at it that way lackluster seems accurate.

Interesting, somehow Sony has been growing at a steady rate while Canon seems to have stuck their head in ground disregarding Sony and other Mirrorless competition.

interesting how sony hasn't been growing, simply recovering, and still not back from their financial collapse, their growth from that has little to do with cameras.

but keep on plugging it.. even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[Jopa]

perhaps Canon's lacklustre performance

...is a figment of your imagination.

Nikon down 10%
Canon as a company is flat over the last 5 years
Sony has tripled in value
S&P 500 has gone up 66%

Looking at it that way lackluster seems accurate.

Interesting, somehow Sony has been growing at a steady rate while Canon seems to have stuck their head in ground disregarding Sony and other Mirrorless competition.

interesting how sony hasn't been growing, simply recovering, and still not back from their financial collapse, their growth from that has little to do with cameras.

but keep on plugging it.. even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Sony is making significant profits from sensors (smartphones, industrial), not cameras (which is a separate division).

Also, too many trolls in this thread today... Wondering if that's because of the solar eclipse?

 

[rbr]

I'm still hoping Canon, someday, brings back APS-H. It's a long dead meme at this point, but that sure would shake up the enthusiast level market.

I'd like that. I was out shooting with my trusty 1D4 today. I would love a similar camera with the latest AF and possibly a few more mp's.

 

[Mikehit]

7D: 5 years
Most FF models: 4-ish years
XXD: 3 years
XXXD: 2 years

Basing your estimate of 7D cycle on one product, and even that product is widely regarded as having been delayed due to late decision to incorporate an updated AF is stretching analysis a bit.
And the FF releases have been 2,3, 4, and 5 years so specifying 4-ish leaves a lot of room for manoevure so the new 1Dx2 can be anything over 18 months away.

 

[tron]

On altering the 5 year refresh timing of the 7D line: why? Because the D500 + 200-500 is stealing 7D2 business, flipping Canon users to Nikon, etc? I'll buy it when I see the data. But we have no data. The D500 is celebrated for its spec list and user experience, but that doesn't necessarily translate to converting Canonites. It might just be a nice product for Nikonians to enjoy and nothing more.

On a 5DS in 2018: Unlikely based on past timing/track record, but I'll actually say it's possible. I'm one of the people looking at the release calendar, past track record, etc. and arguing against Canon going any faster on a refresh than that 'level' of camera should warrant...

7D: 5 years
Most FF models: 4-ish years
XXD: 3 years
XXXD: 2 years

...but that creates an annoying 5DS syncopation / delay with the historical 1DX#/5D#/6D# rollout. Consider: the 5DS is now sitting without DPAF, touchscreen, 4K, Wifi, DPRAW or the larger base ISO DR performance of the 5D4 and 1DX2. So you can choose highest resolution or latest-gen tech.

So there is an argument for a one-time 'schedule quickening' for the 5DS to better line it up with the 5D4 so that there is no feature envy between the 5DS and 5D# lines.

- A

On the contrary, I believe that maybe the difference gives Canon time to prepare for the next model. An alignment in announcement times would put more pressure to Canon.

 

[traveller]

I'm still hoping Canon, someday, brings back APS-H. It's a long dead meme at this point, but that sure would shake up the enthusiast level market.

I'd like that. I was out shooting with my trusty 1D4 today. I would love a similar camera with the latest AF and possibly a few more mp's.

You're in luck, Canon already produce such a camera! It's called the 1DX mark II:

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/1d-x-mark-ii/specifications/canon-eos-1dx-mkii-specification-chart.pdf

 

[reef58]

On altering the 5 year refresh timing of the 7D line: why? Because the D500 + 200-500 is stealing 7D2 business, flipping Canon users to Nikon, etc? I'll buy it when I see the data. But we have no data. The D500 is celebrated for its spec list and user experience, but that doesn't necessarily translate to converting Canonites. It might just be a nice product for Nikonians to enjoy and nothing more.

On a 5DS in 2018: Unlikely based on past timing/track record, but I'll actually say it's possible. I'm one of the people looking at the release calendar, past track record, etc. and arguing against Canon going any faster on a refresh than that 'level' of camera should warrant...

7D: 5 years
Most FF models: 4-ish years
XXD: 3 years
XXXD: 2 years

...but that creates an annoying 5DS syncopation / delay with the historical 1DX#/5D#/6D# rollout. Consider: the 5DS is now sitting without DPAF, touchscreen, 4K, Wifi, DPRAW or the larger base ISO DR performance of the 5D4 and 1DX2. So you can choose highest resolution or latest-gen tech.

So there is an argument for a one-time 'schedule quickening' for the 5DS to better line it up with the 5D4 so that there is no feature envy between the 5DS and 5D# lines.

- A

I thought that may be a possibility also, but there was an article posted here a few weeks ago which insinuated the D500 was not selling very well. Who knows buy what you like take pictures and enjoy.

 

[Chaitanya]

I'm still hoping Canon, someday, brings back APS-H. It's a long dead meme at this point, but that sure would shake up the enthusiast level market.

I'd like that. I was out shooting with my trusty 1D4 today. I would love a similar camera with the latest AF and possibly a few more mp's.

You're in luck, Canon already produce such a camera! It's called the 1DX mark II:

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/1d-x-mark-ii/specifications/canon-eos-1dx-mkii-specification-chart.pdf

He was getting nostalgic about APS-H format, while 1DX and Mk2 are both FF cameras. Currently I think only Sigma offers APS-H based cameras. Back in the day due to FF yields, APS-H might have been prefered in order to reduce cost of cameras, I dont see why Canon/Sony/Nikon would produce a APS-H camera today when they dont seem to have yield issues.

 

[Sharlin]

On a 5DS in 2018: Unlikely based on past timing/track record, but I'll actually say it's possible. I'm one of the people looking at the release calendar, past track record, etc. and arguing against Canon going any faster on a refresh than that 'level' of camera should warrant...

7D: 5 years
Most FF models: 4-ish years
XXD: 3 years
XXXD: 2 years

I don't think there's any fundamental reason why Canon would stick to a five-year release cycle with the 7D series in particular. Why should it be on a different "level" than other pro/prosumer bodies, for instance? We only have a single datapoint and to me it seems it might be an exception rather than a rule. OTOH as the market and technology matures, there does seem to be a trend of less frequent releases - for many years Canon pushed out an xxD every two years and an xxxD every year!

I guess the 7D series—and the 6D series which shares the slow release cycle—is somewhat special compared to the well-established 1D, 5D, xxD, xxxD lines. In a sense they are "duals" of each other—the 6D being a slow, low-end FF and the 7D being a fast, high-end crop body. Canon may have considered the original 6D and 7D to be somewhat experimental and it wouldn't surprise me if there was some internal disagreement over whether either of the lines should be continued.

 

[tron]

I'm still hoping Canon, someday, brings back APS-H. It's a long dead meme at this point, but that sure would shake up the enthusiast level market.

I'd like that. I was out shooting with my trusty 1D4 today. I would love a similar camera with the latest AF and possibly a few more mp's.

You're in luck, Canon already produce such a camera! It's called the 1DX mark II:

https://downloads.canon.com/nw/camera/products/eos/1d-x-mark-ii/specifications/canon-eos-1dx-mkii-specification-chart.pdf

1DXII is 20Mpixels. 27Mpixels are needed in order to get 16.1Mp cropped to APS-H.

(16 X 1.3^2) ~ 27.

But taking into factor the excellent quality of 1DxII yes one could say that....

 

[Luds34]

In the next week or so, we’ll be seeing the announcement of at least 4 lenses, an <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/clarification-corrections-on-the-upcoming-new-lenses-from-canon-cr2/">EF 85mm f/1.4L IS as well as three new tilt shift lenses, a TS-50mm f/2.8L Macro, TS-90mm f/2.8L Macro and a TS-E 135mm f/4L Macro</a>. We’ll also see the EOS M100 mirrorless camera announced around the same time.</p>
<p>We have seen mentions of a new entry level Rebel being announced, but we don’t usually hear too much about those.</p>
<p>Beyond that, we aren’t going to be seeing new Canon DSLR until early 2018. We’ve been told that there is likely going to be a “shakeup” as far as prosumer APS-C DSLRs go.

maybe canon will go mirrorless with the cheaper APS-C line, especially now that the performance is adequate. if they can robotically build the mirrorless cameras, you'd think this would be the way canon will go long term. keep the EF mount, and the general ergonomics and shove an EVF in there and voila. an easier to build rebel.

now that'd be a shakeup.

I think the "prosumer" xxD line would be a near ideal product to test out the waters of a mirrorless camera for Canon. And I agree, I feel DPAF has come along far enough (aka AI servo tracking) that they could give it a shot.

 

[Loswr]

Interesting, somehow Sony has been growing at a steady rate while Canon seems to have stuck their head in ground disregarding Sony and other Mirrorless competition.

Mirrorless competition? Interesting that you missed the fact that Canon went from having no mirrorless models to being #2 in global MILC sales over the past 5 years.

So any time you'd like to pull your head out of the ground and join reality, feel free.

 

[tomscott]

To be honest, I think there are too many products in the line up and too many similar specced cameras. Its not a particularly simple line up. Naming structure has become a little odd like 750/760D 800D 77D I think these could all be amalgamated.

I would like to see a more streamlined product range in both APC, FF and mirrorless. With each having its own number designation instead of staggering with random numbers inbetween.

Entry, mid and high, 3 cameras in each sector would suffice. Maybe one or two specific cameras, Canon did change tactic from a camera to do all approach to specific niche products and unfortunately DSLRs are getting more and more niche. It did make sence and I like having separate cameras for a different approach, but with some of the competition making middle of the road cameras with high end specs I don't know how much relevance all the above models have. Granted these cameras don't deliver quite what they promote and its more for headline grabbing but its impressive what is coming out of mid range expansion like the A6000 series.

I like the idea of obvious segregation.

Crop
900D 90D 7D or this could be renamed 9D

FF
6D 5D 1D

Niche
Small crop like 200D, High mp camera like the 5DSR as a 3D.

A line up that looks a little more obvious and like Canon used to produce. I think it would make it easier to keep on a 3 year schedule.

 

[BillB]

To be honest, I think there are too many products in the line up and too many similar specced cameras. Its not a particularly simple line up. Naming structure has become a little odd like 750/760D 800D 77D I think these could all be amalgamated.

I would like to see a more streamlined product range in both APC, FF and mirrorless. With each having its own number designation instead of staggering with random numbers inbetween.

Entry, mid and high, 3 cameras in each sector would suffice. Maybe one or two specific cameras, Canon did change tactic from a camera to do all approach to specific niche products and unfortunately DSLRs are getting more and more niche. It did make sence and I like having separate cameras for a different approach, but with some of the competition making middle of the road cameras with high end specs I don't know how much relevance all the above models have. Granted these cameras don't deliver quite what they promote and its more for headline grabbing but its impressive what is coming out of mid range expansion like the A6000 series.

I like the idea of obvious segregation.

Crop
900D 90D 7D or this could be renamed 9D

FF
6D 5D 1D

Niche
Small crop like 200D, High mp camera like the 5DSR as a 3D.

A line up that looks a little more obvious and like Canon used to produce. I think it would make it easier to keep on a 3 year schedule.

The next cycle may well be a mix of optical viewfinder and electronic viewfinder (mirrorless) cameras, and could tend to keep the product lines somewhat scrambled. Will the 5DS upgrade be mirrorless? Will some of the existing OVF cameras stay in production as EVF "replacements" are introduced? Will there be an EVF camera with the 5DIV sensor between the 6D and the 5DIV?

 

[transpo1]

"...both the EOS 80D and EOS 7D Mark II are going to be ready for an update. Canon cannot wait 5 years again for a sequel to the EOS 7D Mark II.
We should also see our first 4K APS-C camera from Canon in 2018. Whether it is in mirrorless or DSLR form remains to be seen."

This translates to: Canon knows it needs to add 4K to its APS-C camera line FASTER than their usual product cycle. Which should put to bed all the 4K "oh, it's not important" naysayers on this thread. Canon's awesome market research is about to prove you wrong.

 

[RGF]

"...both the EOS 80D and EOS 7D Mark II are going to be ready for an update. Canon cannot wait 5 years again for a sequel to the EOS 7D Mark II.
We should also see our first 4K APS-C camera from Canon in 2018. Whether it is in mirrorless or DSLR form remains to be seen."

This translates to: Canon knows it needs to add 4K to its APS-C camera line FASTER than their usual product cycle. Which should put to bed all the 4K "oh, it's not important" naysayers on this thread. Canon's awesome market research is about to prove you wrong.

Canon has been slow to upgrade cameras while Nikon has made a lot of incremental improvements. Somewhere in middle would be nice. Seems like lower end cameras (Rebels, 40/50/60/...D get updated quickly while higher end cameras have a much longer cycle). Like to see a new 7D and 5DS models soon.

 

[willhuff.net]

I will throw all of my money at Canon if the next 5DS has over 60mp and 14 stops of DR.

 

[rrcphoto]

This translates to: Canon knows it needs to add 4K to its APS-C camera line FASTER than their usual product cycle. Which should put to bed all the 4K "oh, it's not important" naysayers on this thread. Canon's awesome market research is about to prove you wrong.

takes a very "special" person to talk smack about a rumor that is for a year from now and may not even come to fruition.

 

[Sporgon]

Will the 5DS upgrade be mirrorless?

No, because that would be a downgrade

 

[Maiaibing]

The same source says the roadmap shows a replacement for the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R coming in 2018 as well.

That's when I stopped reading... CR-3

not sure why.

it has to be coming soon. canon said a 120MP DSLR was in development in September of 2015. Can't see it being anything but a 5Ds replacement.

Simply too soon. Would welcome a 120 MPIX camera any day. But Canon will want to let 5DS/R run its course. Canon FF DSLR's show progressively longer replacement cycles.