A New Full Frame V Series Camera is Coming Next Week

[Canon Rumors]

An hour or so ago I published an article that was hyping some kind of higher-end full-frame hybrid camera, that was premature. I missed some of the translation and added some assumptions. 1000 appologies for that. The information is still good, it just has new context. Canon EOS R6 V or R8 V? The new […]

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[InternalRevenue]

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

 

[Canon Rumors]

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

I just bought an R8! Probably still the right call with an EVF, unless it has precapture and an optional EVF. I should know better.

 

[dwkdnvr]

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

Ha. This is exactly my situation as well. That S9 kit is remarkably capable for being so tiny - it might even be smaller than the R50V +kit lens. The weakness is that small primes for L are basically the Sigma contemporary series or manual focus.

I’ve been playing around with my wife’s R50 (not the V), and my feeling is that the ‘tiny everyday carry’ status is pretty fragile - the lens doesn’t have to be very big at all before it stops being ‘tiny’ and is just ‘smaller’. My concern is that a 20-50/4 with IS and PZ isn’t going to be small enough - if it’s around the size of the 16-28 STM or the LUMIX 20-60 it’s probably too big - not unusable, but no longer ‘stick in your coat pocket’. Still, if it’s small enough then the 16, 28 and 50 primes along with the 20-50 might be a pretty interesting travel setup. (I’d probably throw in the EF-S 55-250 IS STM for emergency reach assuming a crop mode works ok)

 

[InternalRevenue]

Ha. This is exactly my situation as well. That S9 kit is remarkably capable for being so tiny - it might even be smaller than the R50V +kit lens. The weakness is that small primes for L are basically the Sigma contemporary series or manual focus.

I’ve been playing around with my wife’s R50 (not the V), and my feeling is that the ‘tiny everyday carry’ status is pretty fragile - the lens doesn’t have to be very big at all before it stops being ‘tiny’ and is just ‘smaller’. My concern is that a 20-50/4 with IS and PZ isn’t going to be small enough - if it’s around the size of the 16-28 STM or the LUMIX 20-60 it’s probably too big - not unusable, but no longer ‘stick in your coat pocket’. Still, if it’s small enough then the 16, 28 and 50 primes along with the 20-50 might be a pretty interesting travel setup. (I’d probably throw in the EF-S 55-250 IS STM for emergency reach assuming a crop mode works ok)

If Canon had a brightish stabilized wider-angle compact zoom for RF-S the R50V would have been perfect for my use case, but they don’t and I expect that rumored RF-S 15-70mm f/4 will be on the large size. Even if it isn’t, like you said it doesn’t take much to become “too big for coat pocket” and defeat the purpose of a slim body.

 

[neuroanatomist]

If Canon had a brightish stabilized wider-angle compact zoom for RF-S the R50V would have been perfect for my use case, but they don’t and I expect that rumored RF-S 15-70mm f/4 will be on the large size. Even if it isn’t, like you said it doesn’t take much to become “too big for coat pocket” and defeat the purpose of a slim body.

For me, those use cases are met pretty well by the PowerShot V1. The 2x crop isn't too far off the 1.6x for APS-C, and a focal length range equivalent to 16-50mm on FF is well-suited for a walkaround lens, for me. I do prefer the 24-105mm range on a FF camera, but in that case I almost always have either the 14-35 or the 10-20 in the camera bag, and in urban settings I will often have the 14-35 instead of the 24-105 on the camera most of the time.

The f/2.8-4.5 lens is not 'fast', but it's not too much slower than the G5/G7's f/1.8-2.8 when you also consider that those lenses have a 2.7x crop sensor behind them (i.e., for equivalence the V1 is 16-50mm f/5.6-9, and the G5/G7 is 24-100mm f/4.9-7.6).

 

[Exploreshootshare]

The camera sounds like an interesting addition to Canons portfolio. It kind of makes sense for it to be a R8V, since there already is a video dedicated camera that shares the same sensor as the R6iii. Atm, I'm very happy with the R8 as my second camera and as a light travel set up. In the future and if I decide to finally do more video stuff (school plays?) the R8V could become interesting to me.

A Canon RF 20-50mm F4 IS STM PZ sounds really, really intriguing if it is very light. I've been going back and forth about my light setup or travel set up and this sounds like it might be an interesting option.

 

[riker]

OH BOY OH BOY!!!!

I thought this day would never come!
Canon, I promise to order one if you don't fck it up in some way!

 

[neuroanatomist]

A Canon RF 20-50mm F4 IS STM PZ sounds really, really intriguing if it is very light. I've been going back and forth about my light setup or travel set up and this sounds like it might be an interesting option.

That's an interesting consideration. 20-50mm would be very good 'walkaround' range for a single lens, similar to the 16-50mm range on the PowerShot V1. If this lens does come along, I'll wait for the IQ results to see if it's worthwhile, but it very well might be.

 

[mb66energy]

I too lean on the R8 V because the C-complement for the R6 is the C50.
Owning the R50 V for its S&F capability and 2nd body for a wider lens ... some remarks:
→ I will never go again with EVF for a universal camera if that could be avoided
→ IQ is very good IMO and the camera is versatile on great on a gimbal because it is so compact
→ Easy powering with a PD USB-C power bank is great for time lapses (S&F!) and works as expected: Just click the battery cabel to the camera (I use a magentic adapter hoping that stumbling over a cable will not turn the tripod over!)

With an R8 V at 1899 € I would prefer the R6 iii with its S&F, viewfinder and IBIS ... if the new V-camera has real fps settings and long exposure times e.g. 0.5 sec at 1 fps ... that could be interesting just without EVF ...

 

[neffels]

*There is also another camera coming that has been talked about here in the past, and I have been convinced is coming*

So one that's not R7mkii?

 

[eero]

I just bought an R8! Probably still the right call with an EVF, unless it has precapture and an optional EVF. I should know better.

I can't even count how many times I have been very close to buying an R50V, only to decide "not today, maybe when they come up with an external viewfinder". And so it is. Still no R50V in my bag.

I think making EVF-DC2 compatible with R50V (and other upcoming small V cameras) wouldn't be too difficult, if the Canon engineers are not planning anything better. If they are, I hope they publish it soon.

A cool feature would be if the viewfinder was "turnable"; instead of just looking through it behind the camera, like you would through a normal viewfinder, the new external one could be turned to point different directions. Pointing it upwards would be very beneficial while shooting anything on ground level or near a wall or another similar obstacle. Yeah, you can turn the screen. But it is never as good as a viewfinder, in my opinion. And yes there are big viewfinders that can do this, but they are way too big with something like R50V. It would have to be something in the size class of EVF-DC2. One can dream.

 

[AUGS]

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There is also another camera coming that has been talked about here in the past, and I have been convinced is coming. I can report on that at some point this weekend.​

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If I read this as you were previously unconvinced (that is, you have now been convinced by your sources), I think I can guess what this camera is. Could be interesting times. Guess I'll be online more this weekend to find out.

 

[dave4thknight]

Desperately want the 20-50mm to be weather sealed. Such an easy landscape walk-around lens... Hopeful with the recent 16-28 type releases, and fixed aperture, but not so much - with it being PZ. Fingers crossed.

 

[John Wilde]

I think making EVF-DC2 compatible with R50V (and other upcoming small V cameras) wouldn't be too difficult, if the Canon engineers are not planning anything better. If they are, I hope they publish it soon.

I suspect that the era of optional EVFs is over, due to poor sales. Also, it seems that the camera industry decided that video-centric consumer cameras don't get EVFs. The Sony ZV-E10 II, Sony ZV-E10 II, Nikon Red ZR and Nikon Z30 don't have EVFs, so Canon isn't alone in that decision.

 

[eero]

I suspect that the era of optional EVFs is over, due to poor sales.

But what were the products that had poor sales? For example, EVF-DC2 was only working with a couple of M series cameras that probably were not Canon's most-selling anyway. It might sell much better if the smaller V cameras end up selling well, especially if there will be more of them in the future. EVFs are crucial when shooting details in bright outdoor situations, in my opinion.

 

[neuroanatomist]

But what were the products that had poor sales? For example, EVF-DC2 was only working with a couple of M series cameras that probably were not Canon's most-selling anyway. It might sell much better if the smaller V cameras end up selling well, especially if there will be more of them in the future. EVFs are crucial when shooting details in bright outdoor situations, in my opinion.

I suspect a reason the EVF-DC2 might have sold poorly would be the $250 price tag, over 30% of the cost of the M6 that it launched alongside.

I got mine in a kit with the M6II, around the time the camera was discontinued in 2022. I paid only $30 more than the body-only price for a kit with the M15-45 and the EVF.

 

[padam]

But what were the products that had poor sales? For example, EVF-DC2 was only working with a couple of M series cameras that probably were not Canon's most-selling anyway. It might sell much better if the smaller V cameras end up selling well, especially if there will be more of them in the future. EVFs are crucial when shooting details in bright outdoor situations, in my opinion.

Canon doesn't need to care anymore. Users can choose from 4 separate bodies with the same 32MP sensor, two with an EVF, or two without.
All the other manufactures do exactly the same.

 

[oten68]

i did jump ship to get that lumix for $1259 with the edu discount, but of course if canon releases this Immight return the lumix just so I stay in one eco system, but I gotta say that lumix s9 has amazing footage quality

 

[ritaC]

Definately interested if there will be an optional EVF.