A New Full Frame V Series Camera is Coming Next Week

[Canon Rumors]

i did jump ship to get that lumix for $1259 with the edu discount, but of course if canon releases this Immight return the lumix just so I stay in one eco system, but I gotta say that lumix s9 has amazing footage quality

I love how that camera got panned by 0-day reviewers, and then real people bought it and love it.

 

[Exploreshootshare]

That's an interesting consideration. 20-50mm would be very good 'walkaround' range for a single lens, similar to the 16-50mm range on the PowerShot V1. If this lens does come along, I'll wait for the IQ results to see if it's worthwhile, but it very well might be.

I´m not entirely happy with my travel/ hiking options/ set-up. I tend to take a two-lens setup e.g. the RF 14-35mm & 70-200mm for cities or prime and a zoom for hiking. I do own the RF 24-105mm which chatgpt tells me is my "go-to lens to cover 90% of my shots" (I let chatgpt create travel set-ups out of my existing line-up for fun) but I quite often choose to leave the lens at home or at the hotel. A 20-50mm would be perfect for hiking since I rarely need 14mm in the mountains and combined with 70-200mm it would be a real nice combo. I'll just wait and see.

The PowerShot V1 is not for me, I´d like to either have a longer zoom range on a compact camera or the ability to switch lenses, therefore I chose the R8.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

But what were the products that had poor sales? For example, EVF-DC2 was only working with a couple of M series cameras that probably were not Canon's most-selling anyway. It might sell much better if the smaller V cameras end up selling well, especially if there will be more of them in the future. EVFs are crucial when shooting details in bright outdoor situations, in my opinion.

The C300 III and C500 II also had an optional EVF.
None of the new cinema cameras has that.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Canon doesn't need to care anymore. Users can choose from 4 separate bodies with the same 32MP sensor, two with an EVF, or two without.

I guess you are basing this on the rumors.
Currently, we can choose between the R6 III and C50, which do have the same full-frame 32 MP sensor.
We can also choose between the R50, R50V, and R10, which all have the same 24 MP APS-C sensor.
There is also a choice between the C80, R3, and R1, but those are less alike.
The R5 and R5 C both have the same EVF, but those cameras are old.

 

[Del Paso]

I´m not entirely happy with my travel/ hiking options/ set-up. I tend to take a two-lens setup e.g. the RF 14-35mm & 70-200mm for cities or prime and a zoom for hiking. I do own the RF 24-105mm which chatgpt tells me is my "go-to lens to cover 90% of my shots" (I let chatgpt create travel set-ups out of my existing line-up for fun) but I quite often choose to leave the lens at home or at the hotel. A 20-50mm would be perfect for hiking since I rarely need 14mm in the mountains and combined with 70-200mm it would be a real nice combo. I'll just wait and see.

The PowerShot V1 is not for me, I´d like to either have a longer zoom range on a compact camera or the ability to switch lenses, therefore I chose the R8.

I would rather wait for the hypothetical RF 20-70 L, since, unless mistaken, the also hypothetical 20-50 would be a non-L. For landscapes, corner and side sharpness is very important.
An RF 20-70 L, as a replacement to the RF 24-70 L, will certainly be sharper. 20-70 and 70-200 would cover most situations.
For longer trips a 14mm TS + a 100-500mm .

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I might wait. But would a RF 20-70mm F2.8 L VCM really be lighter than the RF 24-70mm F2.8 L IS USM? The latter comes in at nearly 900gr... not helping with the weight...

I do love most of Canons L offering, but sometimes I choose convenience over maximum IQ. I got some really nice shots with the RF 16mm and RF 35mm while hiking and on that day I chose them cause of weight. I really don't wanna carry a 900gr L lens during a 10 mile hike or something...

 

[Del Paso]

I might wait. But would a RF 20-70mm F2.8 L VCM really be lighter than the RF 24-70mm F2.8 L IS USM? The latter comes in at nearly 900gr... not helping with the weight...

I do love most of Canons L offering, but sometimes I choose convenience over maximum IQ. I got some really nice shots with the RF 16mm and RF 35mm while hiking and on that day I chose them cause of weight. I really don't wanna carry a 900gr L lens during a 10 mile hike or something...

Whenever I went for "lighter, even if not as good as the L", I ended regretting it pretty fast That lens quickly went the "MPB" way...
Anyway, for longer hikes, I usually carry about 11kg. of photo gear, food, clothing and water. So, whether a lens weighs 900 instead of 600gr. I don't care much.
Sure, I pay lots of attention to weight, but I consider 5 lenses and 2 FF bodies still within my acceptable limit, when carried in a backpack, of course. When using only one body, I carry it on a very wide strap (PeakDesign), 2 or 300 gr. for a better lens are ok.
Sure, I still dream of a tack-sharp 15-500mm TS-E L macro weighing less than 1 kg.
Edit: I replaced MPN with MPB, of course...

 

[padam]

I guess you are basing this on the rumors.
Currently, we can choose between the R6 III and C50, which do have the same full-frame 32 MP sensor.
We can also choose between the R50, R50V, and R10, which all have the same 24 MP APS-C sensor.
There is also a choice between the C80, R3, and R1, but those are less alike.
The R5 and R5 C both have the same EVF, but those cameras are old.

Re-using the same old sensor probably costs more at this point, 4k120p is par for the course, and an R8 V won't have a bulge for active cooling to justify a lower price tag compared to the C50. That's what I expect, but either way, there are a handful of options with or without EVF.
Yes all well-segmented, but on the other hand, quite well-priced.
Addig flexiblity would mean users complaining about pricing, not realising how much this actually costs for the manufacturer.

My problem is their persistence to use swiwel screens, and they continue using them for the same reason: much cheaper not to bother implementing a layout for a tilt screen (maybe two-way will be a premium feature in the next generation full-sized bodies, who knows, but it would be most useful in a small one, the opposite...)

 

[Exploreshootshare]

Whenever I went for "lighter, even if not as good as the L", I ended regretting it pretty fast That lens quickly went the "MPN" way...

I haven't regretted it so far. But if I expect shots which I´d like to print and hang, I mostly chose an L lens. For books, general viewing and small prints my non L are perfectly capable.

Anyway, for longer hikes, I usually carry about 11kg. of photo gear, food, clothing and water. So, whether a lens weighs 900 instead of 600gr. I don't care much.

I honestly have no idea what my general weight limit is or how heavy everything really is. I usually put my packed backpack on my shoulders, walk around for a couple hundred of meters and decide if I´m good to go or if I have to dumb something.

Sure, I pay lots of attention to weight, but I consider 5 lenses and 2 FF bodies still within my acceptable limit, when carried in a backpack, of course. When using only one body, I carry it on a very wide strap (PeakDesign), 2 or 300 gr. for a better lens are ok.
Sure, I still dream of a tack-sharp 15-500mm TS-E L macro weighing less than 1 kg.

I usually carry one camera, two lenses, some filters and if needed a tripod e.g. for waterfalls. If the lenses are light, I might carry three. I once carried my 14-35mm, 24-105mm and 100-500mm and a tripod in what turned out to be a long hike in 100°F with some passages having no shade at all. Never again!

With the R8 and RF 35mm F1.8/ RF 16mm F2.8 as well as the 14-35mm F4 and RF 50mm F1.4 I can even use a very light joby "tripod" and save weight. It is kind of nice when there is a trickle or something along the way.

 

[dwkdnvr]

I love how that camera got panned by 0-day reviewers, and then real people bought it and love it.

Well, to be a bit fair to the reviewers the 18-40 wasn't available for the initial release and reviews, and if the only small lens Panasonic was offering was the 28/8 body cap the concept does seem a bit half-baked. The S9 didn't really find it's niche until folks could put a kit together with the 18-40 and a small prime like the Sigma 45/2.

And from that perspective I get it since I'm looking at the R50V and mentally trying to make it work in the same basic role. Is the RF-S 14-30 + RF 28 'enough' to make it work? OR (relevant to this thread) is a slightly larger R8V + 20-50 + 16/28/50 more sensible (albeit at probably 2x or more the cost)

 

[dwkdnvr]

Re-using the same old sensor probably costs more at this point, 4k120p is par for the course, and an R8 V won't have a bulge for active cooling to justify a lower price tag compared to the C50. That's what I expect, but either way, there are a handful of options with or without EVF.
Yes all well-segmented, but on the other hand, quite well-priced.
Addig flexiblity would mean users complaining about pricing, not realising how much this actually costs for the manufacturer.

I thought about this as well. Unfortunately, I doubt Canon will use the R6III sensor in the R8V since it would put it too close to the C50. Instead I suspect they'll re-play the R50V scenario where they added a heavy crop 4k60 and the R8V will get a heavy crop 4k120 mode (maybe even 1:1)just to be able to hit the check-mark. This assumes they're positioning the R8V adjacent to the R8 the same way the R50V is positioned, though - making it a sub-$2k kit or roughly 2x the cost of the R50V.

 

[Del Paso]

I haven't regretted it so far. But if I expect shots which I´d like to print and hang, I mostly chose an L lens. For books, general viewing and small prints my non L are perfectly capable.

I honestly have no idea what my general weight limit is or how heavy everything really is. I usually put my packed backpack on my shoulders, walk around for a couple hundred of meters and decide if I´m good to go or if I have to dumb something.

I usually carry one camera, two lenses, some filters and if needed a tripod e.g. for waterfalls. If the lenses are light, I might carry three. I once carried my 14-35mm, 24-105mm and 100-500mm and a tripod in what turned out to be a long hike in 100°F with some passages having no shade at all. Never again!

With the R8 and RF 35mm F1.8/ RF 16mm F2.8 as well as the 14-35mm F4 and RF 50mm F1.4 I can even use a very light joby "tripod" and save weight. It is kind of nice when there is a trickle or something along the way.

I learnt it the hard way...
The best lens for waterfalls, unless you are at a real distance from them, is a TS lens. Most of my Val di Sole waterfall pictures were horrible, just pyramidal...
Another reason for waiting impatiently for the 14mm TS-E, which won't be a lightweight lens...
Do you hear me Canon (sorry, I miss Pam so much) ?

 

[padam]

I thought about this as well. Unfortunately, I doubt Canon will use the R6III sensor in the R8V since it would put it too close to the C50. Instead I suspect they'll re-play the R50V scenario where they added a heavy crop 4k60 and the R8V will get a heavy crop 4k120 mode (maybe even 1:1)just to be able to hit the check-mark. This assumes they're positioning the R8V adjacent to the R8 the same way the R50V is positioned, though - making it a sub-$2k kit or roughly 2x the cost of the R50V.

I doubt it, I expect them to fully compete with a Nikon Zr and Sony ZV-E1, sell in big numbers to incentivise switching to Canon for video.
The cinema OS is a big differentiator. Without that, high ISO and dynamic range is not as good (like R5 vs R5C).
I also wouldn't rule out an LP-E17 battery to keep it compact (with heavy limitations, at least a stills-based operating system draws less power...)

 

[Exploreshootshare]

I learnt it the hard way...
The best lens for waterfalls, unless you are at a real distance from them, is a TS lens. Most of my Val di Sole waterfall pictures were horrible, just pyramidal...
Another reason for waiting impatiently for the 14mm TS-E, which won't be a lightweight lens...
Do you hear me Canon (sorry, I miss Pam so much) ?

Uhhhhh, a TS lens for waterfall pics would be an absolute dream! But if I go down that road...I'll end up with 20 more (niche) lenses. Could've used a TS lens at the sveribach falls in the Black Forest.

 

[dwkdnvr]

I doubt it, I expect them to fully compete with a Nikon Zr and Sony ZV-E1, sell in big numbers to incentivise switching to Canon for video.
The cinema OS is a big differentiator. Without that, high ISO and dynamic range is not as good (like R5 vs R5C).
I also wouldn't rule out an LP-E17 battery to keep it compact (with heavy limitations, at least a stills-based operating system draws less power...)

Possibly - I won't claim to understand the video market all that well. That would likely be something like a $2300 body / $2600 kit which is in line with those competitors. Some of my thinking is influenced by the R7II rumors - the rumored 39MP stacked sensor seems to really only make sense if it's also intended for an 8k S35 video cam but it would seem likely that if falls into a very similar price category given that I expect the R7II to be in the $2500 range. So, I thought that something based on the existing R8 would slot in between the R7V (i.e.'Canon FX30++') based on the R7II and the R50V, and leave significant differentiation up to the C50.
But maybe I have it backwards and the R7II / R7V pair may come in lower than I expect and the R7V would be the middle model between an R8V and R50V.