A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
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Which is why I don't think it'll be f/2.8 or be as good as the 24 and 28 f/2.8 IS primes if it's priced anywhere near the 40mm pancake. And why launch it with the 7DII, unless it is an EF-S lens, but does that make sense when Canon has not shown much inclinination for EF-S primes?tat3406 said:
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tat3406 said:
The non-L IS refresh lenses (24/28/35) and the pancakes are different animals. Similar sharpness and similar max aperture, but the non-L IS lenses get you some very nice things:
- Much faster focusing -- USM vs. STM is no contest
- IS is lovely for low-light handheld work
- Higher build quality. The 24/28/35 lenses feel like the 100L macro for 'solidness', precision, lack of rattle or play with the rings, etc. The pancake is certainly nicer than the nifty fifty 50 F/1.8, but it's not as well put together as the 24/28/35 lenses. In short, there is much more to build quality than if the ring is metal -- I'd compare these very lenses to make that point.
- Internal focusing -- does not change length while focusing. The pancake extends out depending on focus distance.
- For two of the three FL (24 and 28), you get a 58mm filter ring, which is probably is the a common diameter for folks stepping up from their crop kit lenses. The pancake has a 52mm ring which is fairly uncommon for DSLR owners to have in their bag these days.
- Full-time mechanical manual focusing -- the pancake has focus by wire
- Proper bayonet hoods are offered -- the pancake has a screw-in hood that some do not like.
- Greater max magnification (0.23-0.24x vs. 0.18x)
- Has a distance scale -- the pancake does not
In short, the non-L IS refresh lenses are (nearly) fully featured lenses with the bells and whistles photographers count on. The pancake is a stripped down photography tool that takes sharp pictures but can limit the photographer for the reasons listed above.
I've also heard in some reviews that the pancake is specifically for more wide-open-end applications (where it is truly remarkable), and that the lens gets softer (I presume from diffraction) more quickly when you stop down past F/8, F/11 or so than a conventional lens might. Bryan Carnathan from TDP also spoke of a small focus shift with the pancake, but still gave it his highest 'star' rating, given the value.
The pancake is still a stellar value and takes remarkably sharp pictures, but understand that at that price, you don't get everything. Many features you may / may not care about will be missing. In full disclosure, I own the 40 pancake and the 28 F/2.8 IS and the 28 gets used easily 10x more for the reasons above. The 40 is relegated to ultralight walkaround detail when I may / may not need my camera. Glad to have it, but I rarely need it.
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I dont think they are intended to compete with the other primes...rather to serve a complementary purposed to larger kits.unfocused said:
For example, I have an 11-16mm, a 17-70mm, and a 55-250...all lenses I like and that aren't "heavy" per say. I had a 200mm f/2.8 as well at one point. I'd take them backpacking, I'd take them in my boat kayaking, etc. On longer trips, the extra 4-5lbs of those lenses adds up quickly. It weighs me down and takes energy away, making me less excited to do photography. It affects the performance of my boat and takes up a lot of space.
Now, make that just a 24mm and 60+mm pancake (especially combined with an SL1 or TXi camera), and suddenly my total kit weights about <2lbs, instead of say 7-8lbs. I can take it in a smaller dry box, which also means less weight. There's also physical limitations to those boxes...I might need a pancake to even fit it in a box that works for me.
Mostly, just compare a 60D w 35mm f/2 IS vs an SL1 with 40mm f/2.8. It's a BIG difference in size: http://camerasize.com/compact/#100.368,448.345,ha,t
And the tradeoffs are relatively small. No swivel screen, lower fps, less weather sealing, etc. But, for people that need portability, those tradeoffs are often much better than going mirrorless if you still do sports shooting.
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unfocused said:
The appeal for a 20-24mm pancake on crop is definitely there. Before I went full frame, my 20mm USM was basically permanently attached to my rebel. The biggest drawback to me at the time was that it wasn't wide enough. I would've preferred 16 or 18mm, with the 2.8, but I certainly couldn't have afforded the 16-35 2.8 L II at the time.
A ~24mm pancake will definitely not have (or need) IS. I would think it would be EF-S and also slower than 2.8 as well, for further differentiation from the new non-L IS prime. But who knows?
As for me, I'm actually thinking about grabbing the new 10-18 and just modding the rear mount to fit the full frame.
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For me, it's a great landscape lens. Sharp at 5.6 and great contrast and colour. On a 5D3 with grip, it looks a bit odd, but, it takes great images. That's all I care aboutunfocused said:
Very handy as a street lens. Wandering around NY with the 5D3 stripped down (grip removed), it looked less attention seeking
The 24mm pancake I don't have a need for. But, I might get one if its cheap and compact.
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ahsanford said:mrsfotografie said:
Yeah, I've used that site a few times. It makes we want mirrorless less and it makes me want smaller lenses more.
- A
Actually, I don't like my lenses to become too short (pancakes) because it deducts from good handling. A lens that has a little more length to it allows me to stabilize my camera with my left hand. This is one reason why I sold my 40mm Voightlander. The minimum size of lens I like to use on my 5D's is the 35mm f/2 and 50 mm f/1.8 MkI.
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wickidwombat said:
Me too - just preferring a little longer focal length (like Cory) and a good (=small) minimum focus distance!
I like to equip my EOS M with the shorty fourty but it is no longer compact with the EF->EF-M adaptor.
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If it's similar in quality and price to the 40, I'd love one. The 40 is a sweet little lens. Small and subtle and great for landscapes and walking around. I most recently used it as a museum lens at the Royal Ontario Museum. Fast enough to give me a 1/50 or 1/60 shutter speed and I was able to get clear shots at those speeds even without IS.
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I am obviously a bit late to the conversation, but I am very excited for more pancake lenses! I love the 40mm, carry it around in my camera bag all the time and throw it on the camera for a light, discreet walk-around setup. If it's priced about the same as the 40mm, then I'll probably be pre-ordering it.
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Kmccarthy said:
My 6D is a mirrorless killer with the 40STM! Mirrorless killer as long as we aren't including the A7 series! I'd still take my 6D over the A7/A7r, but the A7s could easily earn a spot in my camera bag for night work.
Here's a size comparison.
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Botts said:
For some reason, that link artificially lined up the A7 incorrectly. I've taken the liberty of lining up all the cameras to the LCD 'face' and skipped any VF / eyecup differences. See attached.
Mirrorless FF -- with standard FL lenses -- has the opportunity to have a quite thin and tiny setup. But pancakes on SLRs (in the FL they are offered) almost level the playing field if small size is your goal.
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