A7r for only 199$!!! The real deal!

[bluemoon]

I figured they had 10K sales or so as the thing spread on the interweb like a wildfire. At a $1K loss per camera, that would have brought another 10,000 users to Sony. That is a significant number they would have to spend many, many millions of dollars to get. All these users would now spend the money on the lenses and accessories and would be generally happy with Sony. They would have to spin it and say, yes, we screwed up, but will make you happy. Go use our product and enjoy it! I, for one, would have kept one of the cameras on order for myself.

There is a problem with this scenario though, current users that paid top dollar would be pissed and the value of the camera would drop by few hundred dollars as the mistake cameras flood the market. With the new model on the horizon, it would probably never fully recover and it might even impact the new release's value.

The problem with honoring the price is, as mentioned, that it would cost them as much as $10MM to fulfill and might not really help keep the customers long term, but even if they lost some, I think many would stay.

If Cannon was smart, they would pick up on this and next sunday have the 5Ds at 90% off for 5-10 min. Then few months later another product and so on. The excitement generated by what happened was incredible! Selling some cameras on a lottery system would give them what Sony is going to lose. . .

pierre

p.s. my experience with Sony so far has been very poor. Not one piece of electronics I bought from them lasted as long as it should. They just seemed to be plagued by problems. As of right now, I don't seem myself by anything by Sony in the next decade or so and that could have been very different.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

I figured they had 10K sales or so as the thing spread on the interweb like a wildfire. At a $1K loss per camera, that would have brought another 10,000 users to Sony. That is a significant number they would have to spend many, many millions of dollars to get. All these users would now spend the money on the lenses and accessories and would be generally happy with Sony. They would have to spin it and say, yes, we screwed up, but will make you happy. Go use our product and enjoy it! I, for one, would have kept one of the cameras on order for myself.

There is a problem with this scenario though, current users that paid top dollar would be pissed and the value of the camera would drop by few hundred dollars as the mistake cameras flood the market. With the new model on the horizon, it would probably never fully recover and it might even impact the new release's value.

The problem with honoring the price is, as mentioned, that it would cost them as much as $10MM to fulfill and might not really help keep the customers long term, but even if they lost some, I think many would stay.

If Cannon was smart, they would pick up on this and next sunday have the 5Ds at 90% off for 5-10 min. Then few months later another product and so on. The excitement generated by what happened was incredible! Selling some cameras on a lottery system would give them what Sony is going to lose. . .

pierre

p.s. my experience with Sony so far has been very poor. Not one piece of electronics I bought from them lasted as long as it should. They just seemed to be plagued by problems. As of right now, I don't seem myself by anything by Sony in the next decade or so and that could have been very different.

Not quite. People would just skip the Sony lenses and adapt their Nikon and Canon lenses to the bodies. Metabones would be the one raking in money by the assload.
Seriously, many shooters like their lenses, but may want either a lighter/smaller body or more DR.

 

[Dylan777]

I figured they had 10K sales or so as the thing spread on the interweb like a wildfire. At a $1K loss per camera, that would have brought another 10,000 users to Sony. That is a significant number they would have to spend many, many millions of dollars to get. All these users would now spend the money on the lenses and accessories and would be generally happy with Sony. They would have to spin it and say, yes, we screwed up, but will make you happy. Go use our product and enjoy it! I, for one, would have kept one of the cameras on order for myself.

There is a problem with this scenario though, current users that paid top dollar would be pissed and the value of the camera would drop by few hundred dollars as the mistake cameras flood the market. With the new model on the horizon, it would probably never fully recover and it might even impact the new release's value.

The problem with honoring the price is, as mentioned, that it would cost them as much as $10MM to fulfill and might not really help keep the customers long term, but even if they lost some, I think many would stay.

If Cannon was smart, they would pick up on this and next sunday have the 5Ds at 90% off for 5-10 min. Then few months later another product and so on. The excitement generated by what happened was incredible! Selling some cameras on a lottery system would give them what Sony is going to lose. . .

pierre

p.s. my experience with Sony so far has been very poor. Not one piece of electronics I bought from them lasted as long as it should. They just seemed to be plagued by problems. As of right now, I don't seem myself by anything by Sony in the next decade or so and that could have been very different.

Not quite. People would just skip the Sony lenses and adapt their Nikon and Canon lenses to the bodies. Metabones would be the one raking in money by the assload.
Seriously, many shooters like their lenses, but may want either a lighter/smaller body or more DR.

I would never understand this approach. Some even blamed A7 series for being slow with AF speed :-\

 

[lholmes549]

In reality though, the only people who thought it was a good idea for Sony to honour the orders were the people who had placed orders for a $200 A7r!

I think most of you could admit that this wouldn't really have converted you over to Sony, and that it really wouldn't have been a worthwhile investment for Sony. At best (if you didn't buy 5 bodies and sell all 5 for profit) you would likely have slapped on a metabones adaptor and used your perfectly good Canon glass with a great sensor. That's what I would have done if I didn't sell for profit anyway...

So I don't think it was ever in Sony's interests to lose all that money, sorry.

 

[dak723]

Having bought and returned two Sony A7 cameras with their 28-70 kit lens, I agree that most buyers would end up with adapters and lenses from other manufacturers. The kit lens performed very poorly - quite sharp in the center, but very soft away from the center. Maybe I just was unlucky and had bad copies of the lenses, but I did comparison shots with my other cameras and the Canon 24-105 L (on a Canon 6D), the Canon 18-55 STM (on an SL1) and my Olympus 12-40mm (on an Olympus EM-1) all had much better results with overall image sharpness.

I bought an adapter and the results were much better with an old 28-70mm (non-L) Canon lens. But no Autofocus and less than stellar exposure results do make the adapter route a tricky one. But for those who like to use MF, the Canon lenses with adapter would be my recommendation over the Sony kit lens.

 

[bluemoon]

Having bought and returned two Sony A7 cameras with their 28-70 kit lens, I agree that most buyers would end up with adapters and lenses from other manufacturers. The kit lens performed very poorly - quite sharp in the center, but very soft away from the center. Maybe I just was unlucky and had bad copies of the lenses, but I did comparison shots with my other cameras and the Canon 24-105 L (on a Canon 6D), the Canon 18-55 STM (on an SL1) and my Olympus 12-40mm (on an Olympus EM-1) all had much better results with overall image sharpness.

I bought an adapter and the results were much better with an old 28-70mm (non-L) Canon lens. But no Autofocus and less than stellar exposure results do make the adapter route a tricky one. But for those who like to use MF, the Canon lenses with adapter would be my recommendation over the Sony kit lens.

interesting, I was thinking I'd be buying some lenses for it to improve over the adapter setup. If that is not the case, I am not really missing much and feel better about not getting the camera.

pierre

p.s. this goes back to having the best system. . . again!

 

[Dylan777]

Having bought and returned two Sony A7 cameras with their 28-70 kit lens, I agree that most buyers would end up with adapters and lenses from other manufacturers. The kit lens performed very poorly - quite sharp in the center, but very soft away from the center. Maybe I just was unlucky and had bad copies of the lenses, but I did comparison shots with my other cameras and the Canon 24-105 L (on a Canon 6D), the Canon 18-55 STM (on an SL1) and my Olympus 12-40mm (on an Olympus EM-1) all had much better results with overall image sharpness.

I bought an adapter and the results were much better with an old 28-70mm (non-L) Canon lens. But no Autofocus and less than stellar exposure results do make the adapter route a tricky one. But for those who like to use MF, the Canon lenses with adapter would be my recommendation over the Sony kit lens.

Besides that kit lens, have you try any others native lenses?

 

[Loswr]

At best (if you didn't buy 5 bodies and sell all 5 for profit) you would likely have slapped on a metabones adaptor and used your perfectly good Canon glass with a great sensor. That's what I would have done if I didn't sell for profit anyway...

Not so sure about that. I bought an EOS M with the 22/2 and the EF adapter, but the convenience of dSLR IQ in a pretty portable package led me to buy two more EF-M lenses (including one I had to order from Canada). I haven't really used the EF adapter, although I take it on trips where the EOS M is a backup.

I think FF dSLR IQ in a more portable package would lead me to native lenses. I'd definitely use the adapter more often, particularly with my TS-E lenses.

 

[dppaskewitz]

At best (if you didn't buy 5 bodies and sell all 5 for profit) you would likely have slapped on a metabones adaptor and used your perfectly good Canon glass with a great sensor. That's what I would have done if I didn't sell for profit anyway...

Not so sure about that. I bought an EOS M with the 22/2 and the EF adapter, but the convenience of dSLR IQ in a pretty portable package led me to buy two more EF-M lenses (including one I had to order from Canada). I haven't really used the EF adapter, although I take it on trips where the EOS M is a backup.

I think FF dSLR IQ in a more portable package would lead me to native lenses. I'd definitely use the adapter more often, particularly with my TS-E lenses.

I concur. The Sonys plus Metabones are reputed to be fairly slow focusing. That's ok if you are doing landscape, etc. But on the other hand, particularly the A6000 is reputed to be pretty fast focusing (that is, sports fast) with native lenses. I believe that would lead most Alpha purchasers to Sony lenses. Like Neuro, I bring my EF to M adapter when traveling, but haven't really used it. I only have two of the M lenses, but use them in lieu of adapting larger EF lenses. I guess the exception was playing with the TS 24 on the M. But, unless one believes that the "reach" of the M crop sensor is better than simply cropping a full frame shot with telephoto, once you go long, the point of the M compactness evaporates and the ease of use of a DSLR (in my case, the 6D) wins every time.

 

[RGF]

Perhaps this was intentional to unload inventory before the A7R II is introduced.

Probably not likely but possible.

Wonder how long they will delay before notifying everyone that their orders are cancelled or start to ship. They can only keep the status as "back ordered" for so long.

 

[RGF]

BTW, the A7R is not listed on Sony's website.

Perhaps they sold the current inventory faster than they thought they would and will soon announce the A7R II

 

[Dylan777]

BTW, the A7R is not listed on Sony's website.

Perhaps they sold the current inventory faster than they thought they would and will soon announce the A7R II

Finally, DR discussion will come to an end. Neuro will be the first person shooting BIF with a7r + EF adapter + 600mm ;D

 

[RGF]

BTW, the A7R is not listed on Sony's website.

Perhaps they sold the current inventory faster than they thought they would and will soon announce the A7R II

Finally, DR discussion will come to an end. Neuro will be the first person shooting BIF with a7r + EF adapter + 600mm ;D

Shooting BIF is one thing, shooting sharp BIF is another ;D

 

[Loswr]

BTW, the A7R is not listed on Sony's website.

Perhaps they sold the current inventory faster than they thought they would and will soon announce the A7R II

Finally, DR discussion will come to an end. Neuro will be the first person shooting BIF with a7r + EF adapter + 600mm ;D

Shooting BIF is one thing, shooting sharp BIF is another ;D

Who cares about sharpness with all the DR my shots will have?

 

[JohanCruyff]

BTW, the A7R is not listed on Sony's website.

Perhaps they sold the current inventory faster than they thought they would and will soon announce the A7R II

Finally, DR discussion will come to an end. Neuro will be the first person shooting BIF with a7r + EF adapter + 600mm ;D

Shooting BIF is one thing, shooting sharp BIF is another ;D

Who cares about sharpness with all the DR my shots will have?

And you don't even have to micro-adjust the autofocus!

 

[dppaskewitz]

According to the Sony Alpha rumors website, some orders for the A7R at $199 are being honored.

I hope it's me, me, me. (How else will I be able to get out of focus BIF with exquisite DR?)

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

According to the Sony Alpha rumors website, some orders for the A7R at $199 are being honored.

Its likely that some shipping orders were automatically sent to the warehouse and were shipped before the error was found. Its not likely that anyone actually reviews each order on a personal basis, its all automated. They probably only found the error when someone asked if the price was real.

 

[RGF]

BTW, the A7R is not listed on Sony's website.

Perhaps they sold the current inventory faster than they thought they would and will soon announce the A7R II

Finally, DR discussion will come to an end. Neuro will be the first person shooting BIF with a7r + EF adapter + 600mm ;D

Shooting BIF is one thing, shooting sharp BIF is another ;D

Who cares about sharpness with all the DR my shots will have?

Just what the world needs, blurry shots with great DR. Easy to do that with off of focus HDR (not BIF, though).

 

[bgran8]

I just saw this post today and really wish I had been on to see it on 5/31. I have been wanting to get the A7RII when it is released, but would GLADLY have settled for the A7R for $200!

 

[RGF]

Just got cancellation notice. Sufficient inventory