All is Quiet, but the Good Stuff is Coming

K said:
but the brand loyalty and fanaticism some show is pretty extreme. They have no room for reason.

The lack of room for reason hits both sides here.....

The 6D is a 5 year old camera.....
The D750 is a 3 year old camera....

They both are targeted (approximately) at the same audience. Of course the 3 year old camera is better. I fully expect the 6D2 to be a better camera than the Nikon, and then in a few years, when Nikon introduces the next one in line, I expect it to be better than the Canon. You can not compare cameras of different vintages and use that to make valid comparisons between companies....

The reality is that the new camera is almost always the best overall. Getting all upset over it is a waste of everyone's time. Features will improve from model to model, and here we are lamenting that, based on the specs of a 6D), a 6D2 has some specs that are not superior to the competition's 3 year old camera when we don't even know what those specs are yet!

Everyone chill out! Wait until you actually know what the specs are, and then you can have the discussion.....
 
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K said:
I'm going to try to fit in more around here, be like the guys.

What I really want is a full frame Rebel for $2,500.

Canon will make me happy either way.

Then you should prepare for disappointment. The 6DII is not going to be a full frame Rebel and it is not going to costs $2500.
 
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Don Haines said:
The lack of room for reason hits both sides here.....

The 6D is a 5 year old camera.....
The D750 is a 3 year old camera....

They both are targeted (approximately) at the same audience. Of course the 3 year old camera is better.

Respectfully disagree on that front, Don. The D600/D610 was the 6D equivalent while the D750 was a new price point Nikon was trying create in 2014 between the 'entry' (6D/D610) and 'pro' (5D3/D810).

(Yes, I recognize the 5DS/5D# vs. the D810 does not line up classically to the same user groups, but pro is pro in that these were both $3k+ rigs -- you get my point.)


The D750 is only the same bucket as a 6D now because Nikon has inexplicably made the D750 the same price as the D610, around $1,500 new. I still don't get why the D750 is being sold so low at the same time as wondering why the D610 cannot possibly be sold under $1500 for some reason. There's really no point to buying a D610 any longer unless you truly hate tilty-flippy screens so badly as to get a worse camera for the same price.

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
Don Haines said:
The lack of room for reason hits both sides here.....

The 6D is a 5 year old camera.....
The D750 is a 3 year old camera....

They both are targeted (approximately) at the same audience. Of course the 3 year old camera is better.

Respectfully disagree on that front, Don. The D600/D610 was the 6D equivalent while the D750 was a new price point Nikon was trying create in 2014 between the 'entry' (6D/D610) and 'pro' (5D3/D810).

(Yes, I recognize the 5DS/5D# vs. the D810 does not line up classically to the same user groups, but pro is pro in that these were both $3k+ rigs -- you get my point.)


The D750 is only the same bucket as a 6D now because Nikon has inexplicably made the D750 the same price as the D610, around $1,500 new. I still don't get why the D750 is being sold so low at the same time as wondering why the D610 cannot possibly be sold under $1500 for some reason. There's really no point to buying a D610 any longer unless you truly hate tilty-flippy screens so badly as to get a worse camera for the same price.

- A

OK...

I was under the impression that Nikon had the following structure:
D600, D610 as entry... (6 series competitor)
B810, D810A as intermediate.... (5 series competitor)
D4, D5 as "pro"..... (1 series competitor)

Then they introduced the D750 between the D610 and D810 with prices and specs accordingly...... The sales of both the D610and D750 were poor compared to the 6D, so rather than wait till the next D610 refresh cycle, they slashed the price on the D750 to the same price as the D610, effectively making the D750 the "intro" model and the D610 a lame duck and essentially non-existent.... and the sales of the D750 took off and it became their best selling FF camera... All in all, a smart marketing move....
 
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So, we are a month or so from the alleged 6D2 announcement and still no leaks of the detailed specs. Canon is playing their cards close to the vest on this one.

On The Who has the mojo discussion, I chose Canon many years ago based on best in class AF (at the time) and best selection of glass (still is in my opinion). I've always been able to find a Canon body that meets my needs. Maybe not best in class in some particular feature at all times, but that honor see-saws back and forth in the fullness of time. I've never regretted going with Canon. If others have made different decisions and are happy with their choices then good for them. Competition is good for everyone and pushes the technology forward.
 
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A watching paint dry week. Nothing on the 6D MKII, 85mm f1.4L IS, a replacement 50mm f1.4. I'm trying to convince a friend to wait for the two lenses but he seems hell bent on buying the 85mm & 50mm Art Sigma lenses (lost sales for Canon).
 
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jeffa4444 said:
A watching paint dry week. Nothing on the 6D MKII, 85mm f1.4L IS, a replacement 50mm f1.4. I'm trying to convince a friend to wait for the two lenses but he seems hell bent on buying the 85mm & 50mm Art Sigma lenses (lost sales for Canon).

http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-coming-july-20-2017-cr1/

- A
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Importantly, when it comes time to buy, the 6D remains a very popular choice...and the 6DII will be, as well.

Overall, Nikon and Sony have generally better specs in many areas. In aggregate, buyers consistently choose Canon. But people will continue to believe that the spec sheet is what matters most, and claim that Canon is doomed becuase Models S and N have this or that feature and that Model C is 'crippled' by the lack thereof. Well, that's what 'no room for reason' looks like, in practice.

It's a constant that internet discussions of anything with a spec sheet will almost always come down to massive arguments about the spec sheet vs preference. It happens in cars (a Corvette is much faster than a Cayman, but a lot of people would rather have the Cayman), it happens with computers and phones (not even getting close to going into detail for fear of derailing the discussion), and it certainly happens here with cameras. The spec sheet brigade insists that the fattest spec sheet, or fastest car, is clearly best, and anyone who prefers another is a badwrong fanboy.

Meanwhile, off-forum, people seem a lot more reasonably. I know Nikon shooters and we've never once gotten snotty about each other's gear. Car guys tend to appreciate each other's cars. Spec sheets are only part of the ownership experience of a product, but it's harder to demonstrate "this feels better in my hands" online, while it's very easy to show a spec sheet comparison.

Or for a personal example, a decade ago or so I bought a GTI instead of a Mazdaspeed3. Yes, the Mazdaspeed was faster. For actually getting to work and doing errands, the GTI felt much better. If someone else preferred the Mazdaspeed, great for them! It's nice that people with different desires can purchase different products.

The strange thing is the insistence that Canon must make the product that these people want, and they don't seem actually interested in the Nikon they keep claiming is clearly superior. My assumption is that these people also actually prefer Canon, no matter what they say about Nikon (or Sony), and they want the best overall package with the best spec sheet, which almost never happens. This is why I keep asking certain people why they'd rather complain about Canon instead of switching to Nikon, because I think if they really explored that in their heads they'd come to the same conclusion, but they've never once answered me.
 
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