Another announcement: Nikon D500!

[bdunbar79]

Canonrumorsguy posted one on Twitter. It's completely unusable, as predicted. It's awful.

Oh I don't know, that image is sort of artistic...lol ??? ;D

I don't think I ever shoot over 10,000 on the 1DX most of the time is between 100 and 2,500 sometimes push it a little but not often.

BTW thanks for sharing, I did not know CRG was on twitter. Good to know.

Yeah I joined Twitter a few years ago because of colleges and universities went pretty heavy on social media.

 

[expatinasia]

Yeah I joined Twitter a few years ago because of colleges and universities went pretty heavy on social media.

Yes, it is a necessary evil these days. I am not a big fan of it, but it can be useful.

It's for things like twitter that I hope Canon's new 1D X will have something similar to Nikon's SnapBridge technology. Being able to take a pic on your 1DX II and have it automatically and immediately sent to your phone as a .jpeg so you can upload to twitter and other places would be very useful to me for my work.

At the moment I have to take a separate picture with my phone, which means I have to take two pictures which is just dumb and time consuming and of course sometimes you just can't take two shots like that due to time.

 

[pj1974]

Here is the Nikon D500 photo at ISO 1.6M (1,638,400).
Note:
1) It’s from this webpage http://www.chip.de/news/Nikon-D500-ausprobiert-Semiprofi-DSLR-mit-Ultra-HD-und-ISO-3.280.000_87812330.html#
2) The image appears to be a photo taken of a Nikon D500 screen (i.e. apparently not the image itself)

Regards

Paul

 

[ahsanford]

What gets me is the 5 stop increase in ISO over the 7D2....

51,200 - Max ISO on the 7D2
102,400 - What I expected from the next crop Nikon DSLR
204,800 - What I expect from a 5DIV
409,600 - What I expect from a 1DX2
819,200 - unrealistic
1,638,400 - What the D500 delivers

This is an unbelievable and unprecedented jump. It is too much to believe. I will have to see test shots to really believe it.....

If they really are 5 stops better in ISO performance, you would have to be crazy to not think real hard about jumping to Nikon, and if you were starting out, it would be even more pronounced

I don't disagree, the ISO limits look like an breakthrough to some. But we all know highest allowable ISO is as consistently determined by manufacturers as their weather sealing claims are.

I'll wait for noise samples to come out and decide (like the rest of us here, I'd imagine.)

- A

 

[Loswr]

Here is the Nikon D500 photo at ISO 1.6M (1,638,400).

Looks like Nikon have implemented an in-camera version of identity masking!

 

[privatebydesign]

Yeah I joined Twitter a few years ago because of colleges and universities went pretty heavy on social media.

Yes, it is a necessary evil these days. I am not a big fan of it, but it can be useful.

It's for things like twitter that I hope Canon's new 1D X will have something similar to Nikon's SnapBridge technology. Being able to take a pic on your 1DX II and have it automatically and immediately sent to your phone as a .jpeg so you can upload to twitter and other places would be very useful to me for my work.

At the moment I have to take a separate picture with my phone, which means I have to take two pictures which is just dumb and time consuming and of course sometimes you just can't take two shots like that due to time.

Or just get a WFT-E6 it has all the functionality you are looking for and much more, and has had since the 1DX came out.

 

[9VIII]

What gets me is the 5 stop increase in ISO over the 7D2....

51,200 - Max ISO on the 7D2
102,400 - What I expected from the next crop Nikon DSLR
204,800 - What I expect from a 5DIV
409,600 - What I expect from a 1DX2
819,200 - unrealistic
1,638,400 - What the D500 delivers

This is an unbelievable and unprecedented jump. It is too much to believe. I will have to see test shots to really believe it.....

If they really are 5 stops better in ISO performance, you would have to be crazy to not think real hard about jumping to Nikon, and if you were starting out, it would be even more pronounced

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1214161-REG/nikon_1559_d500_dslr_camera_body.html

The sensor and processor also combine to avail a native sensitivity range up to ISO 51200

Look at the specs again, native ISO goes to 51,200. About 1.5 stops better than the 7D2.
Which sounds nice, if expected, but even then I have to wonder what tricks they're using to make gains. For the last few years it seems to me that high ISO is more about pixel size and post processing than anything else. I wouldn't be surprised to see the D500 underperform at maximum native ISO compared to the 7D2 (I'm betting it'll look more like one stop improvement instead of 1.5).
Then again the 7D2 also has DPAF getting in the way, comparisons will be interesting.

As soon as we get BSI sensors on these things, then we can be confident about seeing some big changes.
(and I say that specifically regarding crop sensors, if Sony didn't think it valuable enough to put on the A7SII then chances are no sports oriented full frame body will have it until it's standard practice)

 

[expatinasia]

Yeah I joined Twitter a few years ago because of colleges and universities went pretty heavy on social media.

Yes, it is a necessary evil these days. I am not a big fan of it, but it can be useful.

It's for things like twitter that I hope Canon's new 1D X will have something similar to Nikon's SnapBridge technology. Being able to take a pic on your 1DX II and have it automatically and immediately sent to your phone as a .jpeg so you can upload to twitter and other places would be very useful to me for my work.

At the moment I have to take a separate picture with my phone, which means I have to take two pictures which is just dumb and time consuming and of course sometimes you just can't take two shots like that due to time.

Or just get a WFT-E6 it has all the functionality you are looking for and much more, and has had since the 1DX came out.

Thanks, privatebydesign. I had looked at this a few times. Do you have personal experience with it and know how the Bluetooth on that works? I am not interested in the WiFi, I just want something similar to Nikon's SnapBridge technology (discussed here: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=28771.0 ) which allows me to pair my phone to the camera without having to log in and reconnect every time.

I will be a bit more research into the WFT-E6a although, it's is very pricey!

 

[ahsanford]

Here is the Nikon D500 photo at ISO 1.6M (1,638,400).

Looks like Nikon have implemented an in-camera version of identity masking!

That's actually a crystal clear, noise free ISO 1.6M shot, but the D500's screen only displays captured shots washed through Nikon's favorite creative filters. That filter is called "Radioactive Failure Sauce Surprise".

I'm sure you could defeat that in the menu system... if you didn't kill yourself with a hammer trying to drill down through it.

- A

 

[Larsskv]

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I've seen some indications that the 4K isn't really well implemented on the D500. It has a crop factor, which means you will have 2,2x crop factor compared to FF, making wide angle shooting impossible.

They've taken an interesting approach: use 1:1 pixels for 4K capture rather than interpolate. This is the same as Sony's A7RII (but that has more megapxiels) and similar to Canon 1DC (goes into 1.3x crop mode for 4K.)

Further, Nikon lacks live view focusing, and does not feature focus peaking. Buying the D500 for 4K filming doesn't seem like a good idea.

Canon doesn't offer focus peaking either yet people use Canon cameras for filming in 4K (e.g 1DC). So are you also saying that using Canon cameras for filming 4k is also a bad idea?

The 7DII has dual pixel AF and no crop actor when filming. I do believe many people would want that over the 4K offered in the D500.

 

[Maximilian]

Here is the Nikon D500 photo at ISO 1.6M (1,638,400).
Note:
1) It’s from this webpage http://www.chip.de/news/Nikon-D500-ausprobiert-Semiprofi-DSLR-mit-Ultra-HD-und-ISO-3.280.000_87812330.html#
2) The image appears to be a photo taken of a Nikon D500 screen (i.e. apparently not the image itself)

Regards

Paul

Thanks Paul, for finding this.
To all non German speakers here the translation of the caption below the pic in the original article. It says:
"ISO 1.6m seems to be only little feasible - but better than no pic at all."

To me this picture shows that this feature (ISO 1.6m) is ridiculous stupid marketing cr** (sorry for cursing).
Nikon is disgracing themselves for offering something so useless.
I'd say: Better no pic at all than this.

 

[xps]

Here is the Nikon D500 photo at ISO 1.6M (1,638,400).
Note:
1) It’s from this webpage http://www.chip.de/news/Nikon-D500-ausprobiert-Semiprofi-DSLR-mit-Ultra-HD-und-ISO-3.280.000_87812330.html#
2) The image appears to be a photo taken of a Nikon D500 screen (i.e. apparently not the image itself)

Regards

Paul

Thanks Paul, for finding this.
To all non German speakers here the translation of the caption below the pic in the original article. It says:
"ISO 1.6m seems to be only little feasible - but better than no pic at all."

To me this picture shows that this feature (ISO 1.6m) is ridiculous stupid marketing cr** (sorry for cursing).
Nikon is disgracing themselves for offering something so useless.
I'd say: Better no pic at all than this.

I do not understand, why all journalists are so keen on using the D500/D5 in the million range, as the product specialists at the CES do not underline this this high ISO sector. My grandson wrote to me, that they say, that these bodies make excellent shots in the range up to 10k and good shots up to 51k.
He was able to see, how good the D500 works on onsite taken pictures at CES. And this is much better, than the 7DII does. The AF is wonderfully working and automatically following the subject and the burst rate is just wow. A quick overlook at the taken pictures showed an exciting number of sharp and accurate pictures.
IMO, the D500 sounds like the next step of the 7DII. But next time - in some years, Canon (maybe) will beat the D500. So the game continues. Canon fans onsite say: yes the d500 is stellar. But Canon has better lenses.... And Canon says, their sales are great, so why should someone say, their product be poor and datet?
For us customers it is the challenge to get good shots out of our gear we own.

 

[xps]

The good thing on this release is, that rumors of successors of other brands appear. Sony, where an successor of the A99 seems to be evident (better for sports with greater AF area and more accurate and faster AF and the new Bionz-generation inside). And Nikon, who will update the D810. Rumors of course.
Its a pity, that there are no plausible rumors of the 5DIV. Someone over there rumored, Canon will/has adjust(ed) its models on the features of the other brands. Let us see, if the features of the competitors will bring a "plus" for us Canonians

 

[Maximilian]

...

I do not understand, why all journalists are so keen on using the D500/D5 in the million rage, as the product specialists at the CES do not underline this this high ISO sector. My grandson wrote to me, that they say, that these bodies make excellent shots in the range up to 10k and good shots up to 51k.
...

Fully accepted, although this must be confirmed by others.

But was it a necessary marketing movement to enable 1.6m?
Wouldn't it have been enough to go up to 51k or any other really usable (!!!) range?

 

[xps]

...

I do not understand, why all journalists are so keen on using the D500/D5 in the million rage, as the product specialists at the CES do not underline this this high ISO sector. My grandson wrote to me, that they say, that these bodies make excellent shots in the range up to 10k and good shots up to 51k.
...

Fully accepted, although this must be confirmed by others.

But was it a necessary marketing movement to enable 1.6m?
Wouldn't it have been enough to go up to 51k or any other really usable (!!!) range?

Mr. Maximilian, its like in the car business. Nearly everyone (except the US ) looks at the maximum speed, but just a few buyers drive the car as fast as it goes. I did not buy my Q7, because it accellerates in 6 sec to 100km/h or because I can drive more than 210km/h. I bought it, because I can drive everywhere and it is very comfortable.

Yes, its reasonable to wait for the first reviews. The advantage is, that they will come soon, as the body will be sold in a few weeks, not like the 5DSR or the 7RII... But IMO the D500 will be better, as it has to be better than the 7DII, otherwise Nikon would have done no good job for their shareholders

Personal question: What does "the dark side - i´ve been there" stand for?

 

[Maximilian]

...

I do not understand, why all journalists are so keen on using the D500/D5 in the million rage, as the product specialists at the CES do not underline this this high ISO sector. My grandson wrote to me, that they say, that these bodies make excellent shots in the range up to 10k and good shots up to 51k.
...

Fully accepted, although this must be confirmed by others.

But was it a necessary marketing movement to enable 1.6m?
Wouldn't it have been enough to go up to 51k or any other really usable (!!!) range?

Mr. Maximilian, its like in the car business. Nearly everyone (except the US ) looks at the maximum speed, but just a few buyers drive the car as fast as it goes. I did not buy my Q7, because it accellerates in 6 sec to 100km/h or because I can drive more than 210km/h. I bought it, because I can drive everywhere and it is very comfortable.

Yeah! People want to be cheated and don't want to think for themselves. *sigh*
Edit: And I thought it was about fuel consumption and nitrous gases

Personal question: What does "the dark side - i´ve been there" stand for?

It's kind of a joke.
When I joined the forum I quite often read that Nikon was "the dark side".
I was using Nikon in the 90ies although my father and brothers were using Canon.
So I've been there before

If you leave the joke aside you could also read it as
"I've used Nikon, I know they make also good stuff, I am no fanboy and I am open minded for arguments."
But I don't like missionaries or fanatics that try to brain wash you with their point of view.

Edit: And I like "Star Wars" (again, no fanboy)

 

[Maximilian]

The 7DII's sensor resolution is 5472 × 3648 (4:3)

Luckily the ratio is 3:2 or 1.5:1
Otherwise we'd pay for sensor area not used

 

[Maximilian]

The 7DII's sensor resolution is 5472 × 3648 (4:3)

Luckily the ratio is 3:2 or 1.5:1
Otherwise we'd pay for sensor area not used

I get hungup on 4:3 as that's my fav computer monitor screen ratio.

And I get always annoyed watching 16:9 presentations on a 4:3 projector/screen.
And everyone not having good eyes like me needs glasses or binoculars

 

[Larsskv]

...
I've seen some indications that the 4K isn't really well implemented on the D500. It has a crop factor, which means you will have 2,2x crop factor compared to FF, making wide angle shooting impossible.

They've taken an interesting approach: use 1:1 pixels for 4K capture rather than interpolate. This is the same as Sony's A7RII (but that has more megapxiels) and similar to Canon 1DC (goes into 1.3x crop mode for 4K.)

Further, Nikon lacks live view focusing, and does not feature focus peaking. Buying the D500 for 4K filming doesn't seem like a good idea.

Canon doesn't offer focus peaking either yet people use Canon cameras for filming in 4K (e.g 1DC). So are you also saying that using Canon cameras for filming 4k is also a bad idea?

The 7DII has dual pixel AF and no crop actor when filming. I do believe many people would want that over the 4K offered in the D500.

The 7DII's sensor resolution is 5472 × 3648 (3:2)

1080p video resolution is 1920x1080 (16:9)

The 7DII image is cropped both above and below to produce a 16:9 ratio image. There's the instant crop on the 7DII.
The 7DII image is then squeezed down to fit into 1920x1080. Some of Canon's cameras do this by "line skipping".

Nikon's approach here is rather than start with an image that is 5472x3468 and squeeze that into 3840x2160, the middle part of the image that is 3840x2160 is taken instead. This is less CPU intensive than the scaling and eliminates artifacts that can be created by doing that.

Is this a problem? Maybe for some.

People using the Canon 1DC face a very similar problem - 4K on the 1DC is created with an APS-H cropped image from the center of the screen (the whole sensor is not used.)

Once again I think you argue for the sake of arguing.

A significant crop on a crop camera is a problem if you want wide angle. That isn't a real problem with APS-H. The crop for getting 1920x1080 does not come with the expense of sacrificing wide angle.

 

[Don Haines]

Nearly everyone (except the US ) looks at the maximum speed, but just a few buyers drive the car as fast as it goes. I did not buy my Q7, because it accellerates in 6 sec to 100km/h or because I can drive more than 210km/h. I bought it, because I can drive everywhere and it is very comfortable.

Yes, its reasonable to wait for the first reviews. The advantage is, that they will come soon, as the body will be sold in a few weeks, not like the 5DSR or the 7RII... But IMO the D500 will be better, as it has to be better than the 7DII, otherwise Nikon would have done no good job for their shareholders

It appears from sample images that if you drive it at iso1600000 you get a train wreck.......

BTW, I bought my car because I could put two bicycles in the back and two canoes on the roof..... Never had it close to top speed......