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Anyone else intrigued by the new Fuji X20 and X100s

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I am intrigued by the X100S. Fuji seems to have addressed every problem of the original X100. The list of improvements is very impressive. They seem to have extracted the best suggestions from various X100 user wishlists and said "Build it!".
 
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Actually, my experience with Fujifilm's customer service is nothing short of exceptional. I'd had picked up an X10 earlier last year. It had the white orbs issue. In September, I'd sent it back for service. A little more than a week later they sent me a brand new X10 as replacement. It can't get any better than that.
 
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Actually, my experience with Fujifilm's customer service is nothing short of exceptional. I'd had picked up an X10 earlier last year. It had the white orbs issue. In September, I'd sent it back for service. A little more than a week later they sent me a brand new X10 as replacement. It can't get any better than that.
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mine had the issue went back 5 times and it spent months going back and forth always came back with other things broken on off zoom ring etc after they eventually agreed to replace the sensor then it had the iso 200 EXR bad noise issue where the noise was like iso 6400 in the particular shooting condition i used the most so it was basically useless eventually the shop just gave me a credit and i returned it and put the credit towards the EOS-M but Fuji Australia customer service could be vastly different to other countries
 
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the x100s sounds pretty amazing so far! I picked up an x-e1 myself and I absolutely love it. The pictures it can produce are just stunning.

Menus, controls, build, compactness and picture quality is up there with the best imo and it is making me really rethink owning a big dslr set up.
 
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I have a feeling that the new XTrans II sensor is going to be a game changer.
The fact that the have on-chip phase AF is going to radically change things in the AF speed department.
They are also adding a new processor chip, claiming a big improvement in IQ over the original sensor.

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x100s/features/page_02.html

Add these facts together + the first RAW convertors showing up like CaptureOne and we are going to have the best FF IQ (like D800E) from a smaller, cheaper camera.
I can already get sharper images out of my X-Pro1 or XE-1 + the 35mm F/1.4 than any lens I've tried on my 5D MK3 and I have the new 24-70 F/2.8 II and and a 70-200 F/2.8 II and returned a Sigma 35 F/1.4 and have tried a host of others including Zeiss.

Oh yeah and adding focus peaking is the icing for manual focusing of old lenses.
There's a bit of magic you get from old Range Finder lenses that is sadly lacking from the modern DSLR

I have my preorder in for the X100s and I'll sell my X-Pro 1 and wait for the X-Pro 2 announcement in September...

ET
 
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I love all kinds of cameras and have been lusting for one of these new Fujis for a while. Altho I've seen an earlier model best my 5D2 for IQ at times I was just not familiar enough with them. The cost was high, and the raw workflow would be another direction I'd have to change; too many little factors held me back from purchasing. I did like the way the X100 felt in my hand, if a tad "light."

The new X20 is hitting a price point where I could justify yet another camera in my collection and figure out what niche it best fills later.

Definitely not going to forget about Fuji now!
 
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I seriously doubt that the RX-1 will have much better IQ, but we'll have to wait for the reviews.
I think the new sensor and processor + RAW convertor support will actually surpass it, but hey, I'm a huge Fuji fan.
Oh BTW, the Fuji glass has a built in 3 stop ND filter that can be activated at will - nice :)

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It's hard not to be intrigued by the x100s. The only thing I am a bit sceptical about is the lens or the DOF, respectively. But no doubt, when it comes to listening to the customers who are into IQ apart from bulky DSLRs and to keeping the prices comparable low, than Fuji is well ahead of the competition.
 
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I was considering the x-e1 as a carry-around cam but x20 attracts my attention a bit more now for that purpose.

The 6x6 pattern and absence of an AA filter should be the differences on the X-Trans. I recall reading the aps-c sensor in x-pro 1 and x-e1 was a derivate of the one found in D7000 and K5 (sorry, cannot recall the source). It seems to have good DR and high ISO performance, also seem to generate relatively little chroma noise.

If I am not wrong, comparisons to other sensors have been a bit problematic so far as raw files from x-trans sensors were either converted in cam or came from silkypix. Capture One should be supporting the raw shortly so it will be interesting to see more controlled comparisons...

Cheers!
 
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Fuji doesn't use Sony sensors?
The Xtrans sensor was developed in house when Fuji engineers with years of film experience started experimenting with different arrays than Beyer, trying to mimic the grain structure of film.

Dubbed X-Trans II, the new sensor offers 25% higher resolution than in the X100, a better signal to noise ratio (30% lower noise, or about a one-stop ISO advantage) and on-chip phase detection elements for faster focusing.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/01/08/fuji-x100s-and-fuji-x20-claim-blazing-autofocus-and-innovation

Sony is working on their own non-Beyer sensor arrays, including ones that add a fourth color (yellow) as well as randomizing the array pattern (like Fuji's XTrans sensor).



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Well according to this interview with Fuji @ Photokina last September it reads like they are making their own sensor.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/09/26/qa-with-fujifilm-the-insiders-view-on-the-development-of-fuji-x-series

HS: We were actually very confident about both the lens and the sensor from the beginning, particularly because our lens technology has more than a 50% share for professional broadcasting lenses. Also, our sensor technology has a long history of development and improvements, so we had a lot of confidence in that area too. So we felt that our division could bring together many things to optimize our picture quality and color.

There is some evidence that Fuji gets their sensor fabricated by Sony Semiconductor because, as you point out, Fuji sold off their CCD manufacturing plant.

Here is a post from someone else on this same topic:

Not really significant. Sony's Semiconductor division is all but an independent company within a huge conglomerate. They fab parts for everyone. Sony Camera is just another customer. It would be like saying that and Apple product is actually an IBM, since a critical custom part designed at Apple was fabbed by IBM—one of the biggest parts foundries in the world—and there are not very many. The last new foundry I read about was costing in the billions to build and bring on-line.

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