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Anyone else intrigued by the new Fuji X20 and X100s

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Yes but there are a few issues I have with the RX-1 as a street shooter:

1. It is expensive. $2800 + $450 for the EVF.
The OVF is what you need for street work, at least in my experience.
I have a Fuji X-Pro1 and an XE-1. The XE-1 EVF lags a bit too much for my liking.
I'm sure the RX-1 is no better in this regard.
I've read the A99 has the same issues.

2. The OVF is $650 and it just an glass element. There is no camera data shown (unlike the Fuji's).

3. There are reports that it's AF is not that fast (again a problem that plagues the existing Fuji's too, but this can make street work harder).

The X100s "should" be a lot faster.
The X-Trans 1 sensor is already pretty damn good (as good as M9 most people agree), so if they have improved IQ 25%, then I think it's going to be up there with the best.

I've never shot a Leica M9 but I like the images produced by my Fuji's much better than anything I can get out of my 5D MK3.

The X100s is looking on paper to be a very capable street shooter...

I'm sure the X-Pro 2 is going to be very similar.

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EvilTed said:
The X100s is looking on paper to be a very capable street shooter...

I'm sure the X-Pro 2 is going to be very similar.

ET
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Personally, I'm thinking X-E1 MkII with the new sensor and a bit improved EVF down the line is what I (and many) would like to wait for at a lower price point than X-Pro 2.
 
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#27
Arghh!
All this juicy sounding Fuji talk is making me want to buy one to see what it can do!
Not that I wouldn't anyway.. Was just a matter of when. but by the enthusiasm you guys have for it I might boost it up my priority ladder. I already know the IQ can be very impressive from them but the overall handling sounds to be pretty good and I'd like that.
Gheez. And I'm still waiting for the silly Pentax K-01 I ordered for dirt cheap.
Guess I'll wait and see what the new X20 performs like. I'm not keen on spending midrange SLR prices for the bigger X bodies as I don't mind carrying a small SLR around most times as it is.
If that little X20 really performs for IQ and overall handling in its slightly smaller package that could be something I'd enjoy. I already like the IQ from my G11 and G12 but the ergonomics and overall handling are really quite poor IMO.

Arghh. And there's that Olympus OMD EM-5 too!
another very good overall package, altho a bit more than I'd care to spend right now as I'd want the grip and extra battery layer too.
 
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#29
Even better, an XE-2 or X-Pro2 with all the new hardware announced for the X100s + my current favorite, Contax G Carl Zeiss lenses on a Metabones adapter :)
The 35mm F/2 is sharp as a tack and has a wonderful tone...

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EvilTed said:
Yes but there are a few issues I have with the RX-1 as a street shooter:

1. It is expensive. $2800 + $450 for the EVF.
The OVF is what you need for street work, at least in my experience.
I have a Fuji X-Pro1 and an XE-1. The XE-1 EVF lags a bit too much for my liking.
I'm sure the RX-1 is no better in this regard.
I've read the A99 has the same issues.

2. The OVF is $650 and it just an glass element. There is no camera data shown (unlike the Fuji's).

3. There are reports that it's AF is not that fast (again a problem that plagues the existing Fuji's too, but this can make street work harder).

The X100s "should" be a lot faster.
The X-Trans 1 sensor is already pretty damn good (as good as M9 most people agree), so if they have improved IQ 25%, then I think it's going to be up there with the best.

I've never shot a Leica M9 but I like the images produced by my Fuji's much better than anything I can get out of my 5D MK3.

The X100s is looking on paper to be a very capable street shooter...

I'm sure the X-Pro 2 is going to be very similar.

ET
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+1 The RX1 may be an extremely nice camera with great low light capabilities but since the advent of the X100s it has lost much of its appeal.
 
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EvilTed said:
I like the images produced by my Fuji's much better than anything I can get out of my 5D MK3.
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No way...... I have both these cameras and there is no way they can be compared in end result. End result depends upon: IQ (5d3 is better for SURE), Speed (we do not want to miss out on shots, and 5d3 if FAR better). Ease of operation, 5d3 works better. Capability 5d3 is capable of much more than the fuji (lensing for one) so can get better results. Ability to make large prints or crop. No comparison here...

My opinion this is..
 
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sanj said:
EvilTed said:
I like the images produced by my Fuji's much better than anything I can get out of my 5D MK3.
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No way...... I have both these cameras and there is no way they can be compared in end result. End result depends upon: IQ (5d3 is better for SURE), Speed (we do not want to miss out on shots, and 5d3 if FAR better). Ease of operation, 5d3 works better. Capability 5d3 is capable of much more than the fuji (lensing for one) so can get better results. Ability to make large prints or crop. No comparison here...

My opinion this is..
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Ahum...

http://www.martin-doppelbauer.de/foto/fujixe1/index.html
 
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#36
i collect cameras, of all sorts, from all eras, and at one point or another i use all of them. sometimes i'll pick one and take it out for the day knowing that it may have certain limitations, which i consider a sort of challenge.

so yes, i am looking at the x20 and the x100s, in part because it appears that fuji reacted well to x10 and x100 user feedback. i may not buy either, but am intrigued enough to look and consider.
 
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Standard said:
Actually, my experience with Fujifilm's customer service is nothing short of exceptional. I'd had picked up an X10 earlier last year. It had the white orbs issue. In September, I'd sent it back for service. A little more than a week later they sent me a brand new X10 as replacement. It can't get any better than that.
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Fuji denied that there was a issue after users complained in Nov 2011, Four months later in March 2011, they admitted there was a issue, and fixed cameras started shipping in May or June. I'd think that those people who saw the issue but waited 6-7 or more months for a fix might not think service was so wonderful. The issue should have been long fixed by last September when you got your defective camera, I'd be very unhappy about getting one five or six months after they announced the replacement program.
 
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#39
Even though I just bought RX1, I still keep an eye on X100s for these reasons:

1. new sensor (better in low light, 30ish % better, about 1stop better = x2 of light)
2. SUPER fast AF
3. and of course, the classic design

I have no problem spending another $1300 on top of RX1.
 
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#40
X100S looks to be excellent.

I actually got some hands-on time with a pre-production unit at CES this year and it was very impressive. To be clear I only managed to use it for a couple of minutes, but the experience compared favorably with my use of the X100 in the past. The hybrid viewfinder is awesome.

I've been going back and forth between this and the RX1, but I think I'll wait until this comes to market and I can try it out further before making up my mind.
 
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