anyone else notice that a new rebel has yet to be announced?

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I find it odd that we have not seen our annual update to the rebel line up. Anyone hear of anything? I thought it would have be an announced by now. I guess there's a lot of work going on regarding DPAF to get it right.

Just an observation.
 
That's what I was thinking, I don't see what you can't to with the current that you can with the next, then it's time to move up to a 70d or other. Seems canon can only make it in white to make it interesting.
 
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Jim Saunders said:
What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

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At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Plenty. They can put the 1Dx AF unit in. They can bring back CF. They can make an APS-C version of their 120MP APC-H sensor. Etc.

There is quite a lot they CAN put in it. The better question is what WILL they put in it, and history suggests that if there are any improvements beyond a higher model number, they'll be marginal. DPAF seems likely.
 
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Its just another sign of tight corporate budgets due to slowing camera sales. Rebadging a old design and adding minor upgrades every year is expensive, in terms of changing all the advertising, literature, software, stocking warehouses, discounting the previous model, etc.


Look for longer intervals between models. Canon seems to be very good at squeezing every possible dollar out of a design, so they do well when everyone else is struggling. From a business standpoint, that's smart.


I'd rather only see new models when something significant is changing. I expect that the 70D technology, or other new sensor technology will trickle down eventually. You are not going to see the high end features go into a base model. Eventually, they will appear, but it will take a lot of time.


I can remember when a heater was optional in a new car, and forget about air conditioning or radio, or many features like power steering that are now pretty much standard.
 
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3kramd5 said:
Jim Saunders said:
What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

...

At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Plenty. They can put the 1Dx AF unit in. They can bring back CF. They can make an APS-C version of their 120MP APC-H sensor. Etc.

There is quite a lot they CAN put in it. The better question is what WILL they put in it, and history suggests that if there are any improvements beyond a higher model number, they'll be marginal. DPAF seems likely.

1dx AF?....that will never be in a rebel

CF, doubtful as the market trend is SD for the low end

120MB sensor???? are you smoking something????

The rebel is never going to have anything crazy like that. and a dev announcement???? I really doubt we'll see that as there is little to no dev going into it ---it's a rehash of the old which is what happens on a product that gets refreshed yearly. With new FF bodies on the horizon and the 7d's replacement, they have plenty to talk about. Rebel releases will only get hype in a year that offers no other significant model updates.
 
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Chuck Alaimo said:
3kramd5 said:
Jim Saunders said:
What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

...

At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Plenty. They can put the 1Dx AF unit in. They can bring back CF. They can make an APS-C version of their 120MP APC-H sensor. Etc.

There is quite a lot they CAN put in it. The better question is what WILL they put in it, and history suggests that if there are any improvements beyond a higher model number, they'll be marginal. DPAF seems likely.

1dx AF?....that will never be in a rebel

CF, doubtful as the market trend is SD for the low end

120MB sensor???? are you smoking something????

The rebel is never going to have anything crazy like that. and a dev announcement???? I really doubt we'll see that as there is little to no dev going into it ---it's a rehash of the old which is what happens on a product that gets refreshed yearly. With new FF bodies on the horizon and the 7d's replacement, they have plenty to talk about. Rebel releases will only get hype in a year that offers no other significant model updates.

Think you missed the point man, he said they COULD put anything in from the awesome tech they already have, including the 120mp (not mb like you wrote) aps-h sensor, which is real btw. But they don't put that in becasue obvious reasons.
 
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Jim Saunders said:
Two questions:

What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

What can another brand put into theirs to make Canon envious?

At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Jim

For the soccer mom sect... connect via Bluetooth, post directly to Facebook from the camera via the mobile phone...
 
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What about GPS and/or wi-fi?
I know that currently, only the 6d offers both, and the 70d has wi-fi, but those might be features that would attract entry-level buyers.

Smaller/lighter always are selling points as well. The SL1 (err, 100d in other parts of the world) seems to be attracting attention, and isn't all that old, so maybe that is the new direction for Rebels? Maybe Canon will try to push upgraders from the new 1xx series into the x0 series instead of the xxx series?
 
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jdramirez said:
Jim Saunders said:
Two questions:

What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

What can another brand put into theirs to make Canon envious?

At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Jim

For the soccer mom sect... connect via Bluetooth, post directly to Facebook from the camera via the mobile phone...

I think this is the closest to the point for the Rebel line. It is an entry level line used for beginners and converts who want to take better pictures than their smart phone or point and shoot. That being the case, Canon should hire a software designer from Apple or Samsung to make a better touch screen interface. better EOS Remote App and generally improve usability and connectivity. Why not use the GPS function of your phone to geotag photos? The WiFi capability of my 70D is okay, but could be greatly improved.
 
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
Its just another sign of tight corporate budgets due to slowing camera sales. Rebadging a old design and adding minor upgrades every year is expensive, in terms of changing all the advertising, literature, software, stocking warehouses, discounting the previous model, etc.


Look for longer intervals between models. Canon seems to be very good at squeezing every possible dollar out of a design, so they do well when everyone else is struggling. From a business standpoint, that's smart.

Actually, it isn't smart. The reason the DSLR market is slowing is that the market is saturated, and new hardware isn't enough better than the existing hardware to warrant an upgrade even after several minor updates. Consumers don't buy minor bumps, generally speaking. They buy every major rev or every second major rev. That means that DSLR sales are going to tank unless they release at least one major improvement, and maybe two.

You're right that Canon releases too many minor bumps, but to be fair, they mostly do that at the low end (consumer goods) because yearly updates are what that market demands. I'm not sure they can help it. The real problem is not the number of bumps, but rather the perceived lack of innovation and improvement in each bump. If you don't make it enough better to drive the upgrade cycle, your sales begin tonslump, and people start making foolish comments about smartphones eating into the DSLR market....

So what can Canon do? Well, if they can't make big improvements in sensors, why not innovate in their user interface? Right now, at least on the 6D, Canon's menu system feels like it has been patched too many times, and it no longer holds together logically. Their GPS behavior is a bit glitchy.

Their Wi-Fi UI is a disaster and a half. It is tied, among other things, to the rather baffling notion that users either use it standalone or on an infrastructure network, but never change from one to the other. Its ability to set passwords doesn't seem to work, and it chooses a new random password for its network each time you set it up standalone, which makes it very hard to use with multiple devices.

And the lock switch should be more flexible. If I were designing a camera purely for my use, I would lock the WB to auto and lock the image size so that they can't be changed without going into a menu and unlocking them. I would make the lock switch prevent exposure compensation in the auto modes, but not prevent aperture adjustment in manual mode. But that's just my personal preference. Users should be able to customize that behavior, locking various settings either semi-permanently or based on the lock switch.

I'd also try to make it easier to choose whether maximum ISO or minimum shutter speed should have priority when the camera can't respect both.

That's just off the top of my head.
 
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Viggo said:
Chuck Alaimo said:
3kramd5 said:
Jim Saunders said:
What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

...

At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Plenty. They can put the 1Dx AF unit in. They can bring back CF. They can make an APS-C version of their 120MP APC-H sensor. Etc.

There is quite a lot they CAN put in it. The better question is what WILL they put in it, and history suggests that if there are any improvements beyond a higher model number, they'll be marginal. DPAF seems likely.

1dx AF?....that will never be in a rebel

CF, doubtful as the market trend is SD for the low end

120MB sensor???? are you smoking something????

The rebel is never going to have anything crazy like that. and a dev announcement???? I really doubt we'll see that as there is little to no dev going into it ---it's a rehash of the old which is what happens on a product that gets refreshed yearly. With new FF bodies on the horizon and the 7d's replacement, they have plenty to talk about. Rebel releases will only get hype in a year that offers no other significant model updates.

Think you missed the point man, he said they COULD put anything in from the awesome tech they already have, including the 120mp (not mb like you wrote) aps-h sensor, which is real btw. But they don't put that in becasue obvious reasons.

Exactly. The open ended question in the OP was "What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?" They can put any tech they're capable of producing into the T6i. They won't, but they can.
 
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Viggo said:
Chuck Alaimo said:
3kramd5 said:
Jim Saunders said:
What can Canon put into a T6i to make it interesting?

...

At the moment I can't think of anything to answer either of those questions. Anyone?

Plenty. They can put the 1Dx AF unit in. They can bring back CF. They can make an APS-C version of their 120MP APC-H sensor. Etc.

There is quite a lot they CAN put in it. The better question is what WILL they put in it, and history suggests that if there are any improvements beyond a higher model number, they'll be marginal. DPAF seems likely.

1dx AF?....that will never be in a rebel

CF, doubtful as the market trend is SD for the low end

120MB sensor???? are you smoking something????

The rebel is never going to have anything crazy like that. and a dev announcement???? I really doubt we'll see that as there is little to no dev going into it ---it's a rehash of the old which is what happens on a product that gets refreshed yearly. With new FF bodies on the horizon and the 7d's replacement, they have plenty to talk about. Rebel releases will only get hype in a year that offers no other significant model updates.

Think you missed the point man, he said they COULD put anything in from the awesome tech they already have, including the 120mp (not mb like you wrote) aps-h sensor, which is real btw. But they don't put that in becasue obvious reasons.

I was just injecting that this is a really really really far off COULD to the point that it's just not feasible! They could put english muffins and a colony of ants in there too. 1dx AF system in a rebel just ain't happening. 120MP's is just as unlikely. More reasonable GPS, Wi-fi, more x-points, touchscreen, better phone to camera interface, these are things that are more likely to happen.

and I know there is that prototype 120Mp sensor, but unless your a millionaire that won't be anywhere near consumer tech.

Now reasonable is 1 MP per upgrade is proabably a bit more reasonable.
 
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