Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?

[Chuck Alaimo]

If these specs are close, it is a bit disappointing. If they were going to stay right around 20MB, I would want higher ISO. If they are keeping this size, there needs to be a significant improvement in DR.

The 65 AF could be nice. Will be interesting to see the spread and how well it functions. Was really hoping for 24MP+ and closer to 30.

I think we've hit the point though where monumental gains in high ISO quality on a crop sensor just aren't happening, were looking at drawing blood from a stone here - as many would point out it's just the laws of physics here and larger FF sensors will be easier to get more ISO out than 1.6 crop.

The 7 series is kind of the big compromise body - think about it. You could have the 1dx and a 600mm lens (no compromising - but pricey as all hell!!!!), but most don't have the $$$ to plunk down for that. So in comes the 7 series - high fps, and the 1.6 crop gives that extra reach - a 7 series body plus a 300mm + a 1.4 converter will get ya just overt he 600mm FOV, for far less than the cost of just the 600mm lens. Many here seem to want the quality of a $20,000 setup for less than $5000, and sorry, that just ain't happening!!!!

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Don't you understand how many cameras you could sell?

I'm sure they understand that quite well. I'm not sure why so many people seem to think they know more than Canon...

Neuro: respect your Canon input a great deal.

As a loyal Canon customer, I know that they must have great data on the video market.

My frustration lies with them holding back on video features that competitors are releasing in similarly priced camera bodies.

There are two parts to my frustration-

1) I want a Canon camera with 4K, not a Sony or Panasonic, because Canon makes better stuff.

2) They could sell a TON of 7DII cameras on volume if they added those features and make up any loss of $$ on their Cinema EOS line from that.

So, my hunch is that the only reasons they refuse to do it is for the reason we've suspected all along- to protect and save face with their pro video line- not a good enough reason to prevent release of a great product that would fly off shelves in my opinion (such as a 7DII with 4K or RAW).

Pro video people are going to be buying GH4s and A7Ss or perhaps Blackmagics as backup cameras when they could be buying 7DIIs.

In other words, Canon's not capitalizing on their market lead in DSLR video and not following the Apple rule: cannibalize yourself before someone else does it to you.

Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney? Who here has a 4K monitor or software that can edit 4K video? I have yet to actually watch something in 4K. So why is it all of a sudden we need this in a camera that is primarily designed to shoot sports and wildlife pictures?

We all know that ML will squeeze 4K out of it anyway, so chill out with the 4K already.

An explanation: for film / video makers, having 4K is more about future proofing when 4K hits big and increased resolution in 1080p, not about playback for normal videos. It's like taking a small JPEG and using it for quick web distribution but wanting to have the .CR2 file for later use in case you want to blow it up for print.

That said, I'd be happy with a RAW 1080p feature in place of 4K because it would offer increased dynamic range.

But I don't want a Magic Lantern solution- I want a stable, well thought out Canon solution for 4K and / or RAW because it's more reliable and because I own enough Canon glass and bodies that I **care** about the company's future

Or, maybe canon did target the 7 series towards sports and wildlife shooters. If the 7 series is targeted in such a manner, what would they have to take away from these proposed specs to give it 4k video? Or, how ginormous would the price tag be if it did? Would it need a third digic 6 in there to handle video output? Would they have had to back off on the AF for it? Or, if you look at the A7s, then would we see a 7d2 with a 12MP sensor?

Again, these specs seem quite reasonable, add 4k in there and what happens to the price? Are people willing to pay 5d3 prices for a crop camera with 4k video.

And the bigger question is - why the heck would they do all that for a sports/wildlife stills camera????

 

[dgatwood]

They are against it because they know it wouldn't cost Canon anything, they want the feature, most people are cheap, therefor..."Why the hell didn't Canon include WiFi?!?"

It's really not a case of being cheap. Folks want GPS and Wi-Fi in the body for the same reason they want RF speedlite control in the body—for the people who use those features, in-body hardware means one less extra piece of hardware to have to carry around, one less set of batteries to go dead in the middle of the shoot, one less piece of equipment to independently malfunction....

With that said, it's a shame that Canon doesn't make their "N" version (no-radio) available more broadly, for the folks who don't want to pay a small marginal cost for hardware that they don't think they'll use.

 

[PureClassA]

We won't know anything until it gets here... here's my point
From CanonWatch.com today.....



"Another email from a good source. The rumor contradicts parts of the latest supposed spec list that surfaced a few days ago.

That’s what I have been told:

the EOS 7D replacement will feature a 24MP sensor (no mention if it is a new sensor tech, or not)
a new generation of Dual Pixel CMOS AF is implemented thru the sensor and via the increased CPU power of the EOS 7D replacement
the auto-focus system of the EOS 5D Mark III will be on board
GPS and WiFi will be on board
still not sure if it will be named “EOS 7D Mark II”
Thanks to the source, please send in more information if you can!"

 

[lexptr]

If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

 

[Don Haines]

in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.

It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow

 

[x-vision]

Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.

 

[Don Haines]

Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.

+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.

 

[Loswr]

in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.

It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow

The 1D X does not have a "fine detail CMOS sensor," apparently it just has a plebeian, run-of-the-mill detail CMOS sensor.

Guess I'll have to sell that piece of refuse and get a 7DII/X...

 

[drjlo]

...but I do think Canon should have demonstrated that they are still capable of competing on the sensor IQ front.

Still...it'll suck, if the 7D II really doesn't hit with a better sensor, to have to wait ANOTHER couple years to see if Canon is going to do something on the sensor front.

Hate to say it, but "couple years" may be being too optimistic seeing how Canon obvious does not read or care about Canon Rumors :'(

 

[Lee Jay]

Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.

+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.

Stabilization is what I'm after with 4K. Oh, I do it t with full HD but if the output is full HD, the up sampling does noticeably soften the image.

 

[Don Haines]

in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.

It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow

The 1D X does not have a "fine detail CMOS sensor," apparently it just has a plebeian, run-of-the-mill detail CMOS sensor.

Guess I'll have to sell that piece of refuse and get a 7DII/X...

I feel for you... I have a 60D that just has a plain sensor too.... That's why I have to upgrade to a "fine detail CMOS sensor"....

 

[moreorless]

If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.

 

[lexptr]

If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.

Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

 

[fragilesi]

If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.

Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

Maybe you can "see" uses for Wifi but would any of those pros swap it for the better focusing system? No, it's a nice to have for most but it won't be high up on the list of much of the target audience.

 

[Don Haines]

<SNIP>
Maybe you can "see" uses for Wifi but would any of those pros swap it for the better focusing system? No, it's a nice to have for most but it won't be high up on the list of much of the target audience.

I am shooting with a four year old camera that is well used.... it is time for me to upgrade.
Given the choice between a 7D2 with a great AF system and no WiFi, or a 70D with a good AF system and WiFi, for me it is no decision.. the 7D2 with great AF wins..... but for bird photography (set it up beside favourite perch, by nest, by feeder) WiFi is a fantastic feature that I use a lot with my P/S camera.... I would really like to use it on a DSLR but it is not a deal breaker. I have an active 50 foot USB cable that allows me to do tethered shooting from a distance so I have a work-around....

 

[Ruined]

I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

 

[rrcphoto]

If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.

Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

sorry i think you're wrong. most pros already have the canon accessories for tethered control of the camera that work on the 5D Mark III, 1 series,etc.

and if you really need instant download of your jpgs to your phone for immediate upload - that's why you have an SD card slot and a CF card slot.

also for some reason canon has yet to put Wifi into a full mag alloy shell. only the partial alloy shells have received wifi.

this is supposed to be a no compromised rugged body - they aren't going to put plastic as part of the shell like the 6D and the 70D.

 

[Loswr]

I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

I suspect that it will.

 

[dtaylor]

I'm still bummed that Canon has STILL not demonstrated they are getting competitive again on the sensor front...re-purposing the 70D sensor in the 7D II just smells really sloppy and cheap....

The 70D sensor is competitive. So what would you like them to do?

Resolution? Better be north of 40 MP to see a real difference, and that's only for those of us who regularly make large prints of finely detailed subject matter (i.e. landscapes shot from a tripod at optimum apertures). Not even Sony can pull that off in APS-C right now and retain high ISO/DR.

Total DR? The 70D is 1/3 stop behind Exmor.

Shadow latitude (noise)? You yourself showed how ridiculously small the difference is when NR is intelligently applied. When I first saw a Canon v Exmor pushed shadow test I thought the tester was purposely lying because I had never seen noise that bad...because I never turn off default NR when pushing shadows hard. In fact I apply more! I routinely push shadows 2-3 stops even with the old, noisy, 7D sensor. The thing I run into pushing shadows is not noise, but a tonality/fine detail/microcontrast wall, and you hit the same wall on Sony.

High ISO? In the DPReview and IR studio comparisons the 70D looks pretty much the same as the D7100 (for example). I would shoot either to 6400 if need be.

Color? Canon seems to have nailed that one. Other people complain and profile their sensors to try and match Canon color.

The next major jumps are going to involve 16-bit designs, multilayer sensors, or some other technology twist. We are well into diminishing returns given the state of sensor fabrication right now.

The only thing "wrong" with Canon's sensors is they score poorly over at DxO relative to Exmor. So do Hasselblad medium format sensors! Only Hasselblad fans are sophisticated enough to know DxO is a joke. I doubt any of their users are silly enough to jump on a forum and say "If Hasselblad doesn't do something about these sensors I'm buying a D810!"

I hope Canon makes a major jump in the 7D2 sensor by applying NR in camera even to RAWs and therefore gaming DxO to get a higher score ;D