Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?

[rs]

Lens electronic MF

Is this some poorly translated way of saying lenses with electronic manual focus such as STM lenses and the 85L will have manual focus all the time, rather than just while the metering is on? While that would save a lot of annoyance, that could potentially waste a lot of battery power unless they find a way of waking up the system with any detected rotation of that focus ring.

 

[MichaelTheMaven]

Focusing system sounds pretty sweet.

Boggles the mind how Canon is ignoring the 4K and video features that Panasonic is winning droves of new customers with.

 

[DominoDude]

To me this sounds interesting! (Yes, I'm that easily amused.)
Today I've been trying do a little nasty with one of the pro shops nearby. I asked the Nikon-dude about the 7DMkII, and since he didn't know, he asked the Canon-dude, who nearly slipped and gave me the answer I wanted. Too bad he noticed I was lurking nearby and wanted to overhear their internal conversation.
Oh, well, I've got nada new about the Canon releases for now, but I got the chance to be one of the first handful of people, in this country, who have laid their hands on the Leica that will be announced at Photokina.

Late edit about the rumour: Ooops! I missed that they sneaked in that nasty little SD-slot in the rumour. That's an ugly part I hope is untrue.

 

[King Eyre]

Please please please exposure compensation in manual with auto iso, massive help on the 1 Dx and my preferred setting now for 95% of shots......

George.

 

[rs]

I've seen the results from the 800E, and they are stunning in terms of detail out-of-camera. For nature photography, you don't really need an AA filter.

What's the point in a camera which can produce (in your eyes) better pictures in one particular scenario, while other scenarios are plagued by a design flaw?

Also, what about any nature shots with repeating patterns around the sampling frequency? Uniform vegetation such as some grasses or leaves, bird feathers, animal hair etc?

What you gain is false information. False sharpness. False detail.

Low pass filters are used in all forms of sampling to avoid aliasing. Aliasing is nothing but artefacts. If you can't excite aliasing due to oversampling, there is no gain to be made by avoiding a low pass filter.

Computers have for some time used anti aliasing to improve the percieved resolution of displays - this avoid the jagged edges, false details and create more realistic renderings.

 

[bcflood]

For as long of a life-cycle the 7D replacement is likely to have, these specs seem rather tame. I'll reserve judgment until the official word is out (it's not like you can buy it yet anyway). For me, it looks like the 70D will pretty much accomplish 90-95% all I want to do compared to these posted specs. I was hoping for a push in MP and 4K video, but it isn't like Canon calls me personally for advice :

 

[Lightmaster]

I've seen the results from the 800E, and they are stunning in terms of detail out-of-camera. For nature photography, you don't really need an AA filter.

What's the point in a camera which can produce (in your eyes) better pictures in one particular scenario, while other scenarios are plagued by a design flaw?

Also, what about any nature shots with repeating patterns around the sampling frequency? Uniform vegetation such as some grasses or leaves, bird feathers, animal hair etc?

What you gain is false information. False sharpness. False detail.

Low pass filters are used in all forms of sampling to avoid aliasing. Aliasing is nothing but artefacts. If you can't excite aliasing due to oversampling, there is no gain to be made by avoiding a low pass filter.

again.... many medium format backs don´t use AA filters.

sure the higher pixel count your back has the less problems with moiré you will get.
but the low MP backs have no AA filter either.
the 22-25MP backs are really prone to moire.

that can be a problem.. but as you can see many very well paid pros use medium format cameras.... even for fashion shoots.

for some motivs AA filters do no good but reduce resolution.

some of you make it sound like an AA less sensor will ruin every picture.
if that would be the case i wonder why phase one and hasselblad spare the AA filter.

don´t measure everything by the same yardstick.

there are benefits, there are problems.

maybe canon could use a weaker AA filter?
wasn´t there some talk that the 5D MK3 AA filter is stronger than the 5D MK2 AA filter?

maybe they use a stronger filter because they think not everyone can/will deal with these issues in post?
while medium format users are believed to be more tech savvy when it comes to post processing.

 

[unfocused]

In the previous chain about the 7DX specs better DR, IQ, and less noise are the overwhelming drivers for interest here...But I'm not convinced Canon could make such a miscalculation.

[quote author=unfocused]
No miscalculation. What people on gearhead forums want and what the bulk of customers who will actually buy the product want are two entirely different things.

Like I said, I do NOT think they would miscalculate. The 7D line isn't meant for feature-only freak low end consumers. It was always geared at upper tier users. My point is that I think the end result will be (hopefully) something notably improved. [/quote]

Okay, let's try this again.

Don't equate what people on this forum think is important with what the target market thinks is important. The 7D is targeted to upper tier users. Most upper tier users are not worried about the things that people on this forum obsess over. These specs would indicate that Canon did their market research and found that features like a top-notch autofocus system are more important to buyers than small improvements in dynamic range.

 

[jebrady03]

Read about half the thread and don't have time to read more...

Perhaps... dual digic 6 is to accommodate a higher resolution (aka: fine detail) sensor?

 

[East Wind Photography]

I think what is important is when the pre-orders start ???

 

[wtlloyd]

I always see these shopping lists of all the desired features users are demanding in the next camera. "Gimme everything ya got, and don't charge over $2K.

Why would Canon sell you the last camera you'll ever need to buy?

Oh, and 4K video is gonna stay in the cinema series until they are forced to bring it in, as late as possible. Just like they're doing with high megapixel.

 

[ScottyP]

What is "built in flash with radio trigger function"? Is it just saying the on board flash can act as a master? That is not "radio trigger". Is it?

It would be pretty cool if it had a built-in radio trigger for RT flashes, wouldn't it?

 

[Don Haines]

What is "built in flash with radio trigger function"? Is it just saying the on board flash can act as a master? That is not "radio trigger". Is it?

It would be pretty cool if it had a built-in radio trigger for RT flashes, wouldn't it?

"It can't have WiFi because it is a metal body and there is no decent place to put an antenna"
"built in flash with Radio Trigger Function"

Does anyone else realize that the RT flash controller and WiFi use the same 2.4Ghz band?

 

[dtaylor]

I was REALLY, REALLY hoping Canon would really show something impressive on the sensor front with the 7D II. If the camera really does hit the streets with a 20mp sensor, I fully expect it to have the same DR limitations as all of Canon's previous sensors.

So if we're going by the 70D...a 13 stop sensor with good shadow latitude (as long as you don't turn off all NR for an online "Canon vs. Exmor" test) and good high ISO to 6400.

Which of course is NOTHING LIKE the Exmor APS-C equivalent with 13.3 stops, slightly better shadow latitude, and slightly better ISO 6400!

However will we survive :

Also worried about the "fine detail"...I really don't want them to start removing AA filters.

Total guess, but maybe they're using the Dual Pixels for more then just AF.

 

[dtaylor]

Details about the sensor are lacking. Great marketing buzz terms but does the sensor have significantly better DR (vs 70D and 5DM3).

The 70D is at 13 stops. There isn't room for "significantly better" DR with a 14-bit ADC.

 

[pablo]

Lets not forget that the 7D was the first DSLR with proper video functions built in as standard (PAL mode, manual exposure mode, full frame rate, dedicated button)

My Take:


Kit lenses: 18-135 IS STM and 15-85 IS STM (This would be a new lens)

Sh1t lenses. Slow max aperture. Variable.

CF, UDMA mode 7 + SD, UHS-I

No CF. Macbooks and imacs don't like it. SD getting there now.

No GPS or WiFi

Good. No kitchen sink or torch either.

Fixed LCD, with no touch function.

Robust. Good.

20.2MP “Fine Detail” CMOS Sensor (I want more information on this)

So long as it is 16MP when cropped to 16:9 aspect and downsamples directly to 4k...

Dual Pixel CMOS AF

Who cares?

Dual DIGIC 6 Processors

So long as like the 7D you can have 1080 output during recording. Strike that. 4k output with monitoring.

65 AF points “All Cross-type”. Dual cross on the center point.

I like the 19 point system over the 45 point system. Easier to actually identify a tracking point AND it makes you work. I like cameras that reward you putting some work in.

10fps

ISO 100-12800, ISO Boost mode 25600 and 51200

Great. If it translates to usable video at say 1600 or 3200.

1080p/720p both get 60fps

If it's going to have the same 5 year shelf life as the 7d it needs the throughput for 4k. Maybe as a firmware update or something. Cannot be priced above GH4 and a7s and not have some 4K path present or future. Can not.

Servo AF for video shooting.

Who cares. If you use AF for video go and buy a $200 camcorder you mug.

Anti-flicker mode, eliminates flickers under flickering lights (e.g. fluorescent lamps).

Phase issue. Mains issue. Cameras cannot fix this. They can synchro scan. Which isn't the same thing.

Spot metering size 1.8%

Built-in flash with radio trigger function.

Mic and headphones connectors

Can sync time between 7D II cameras.

Better with SDI port. Let it integrate with a wider range of cameras. There are some people with small genitals who will only ever want to use full frame because they have deep pockets and little understanding of manual focus in video.

Lens electronic MF

About 100% coverage OVF

Want to see....

A lanc port for fine control of STM focus.

An uncompressed output. Chip straight into an APR encoder like the Ninja etc.

A three band minijack TRS stylee. No space for a full ballanced XLR port. Adaptors on ebay from china within 48 hours.

 

[dtaylor]

The 7D was the softest Canon DSLR I've owned (and I've owned a bunch). So any move away from that buttery, waxy look is progress.

You weren't using the right ACR settings...or were using DPP. (Seriously.)

That said, I agree with you on RAW sharpness and taking more post processing. I wouldn't miss an AA filter.

 

[drm]

New at this and first time post so I might be way off base here.

But I can imagine a couple of things that could be done by using the dual pixel information.

Once you know how far out-of-focus the pixel is, can’t that information be used in a real-time sharpening algorithm? Provide more or less sharpening based on how out of focus that part of the picture is. Or if that part of the picture in way out of focus add no sharpening.

Another would be to map the 64 AF point to the dual pixel information and determine the accuracy of each point over time and maybe even do a per AF point micro adjustment.

Dean

 

[Don Haines]

Don't equate what people on this forum think is important with what the target market thinks is important. The 7D is targeted to upper tier users. Most upper tier users are not worried about the things that people on this forum obsess over. These specs would indicate that Canon did their market research and found that features like a top-notch autofocus system are more important to buyers than small improvements in dynamic range.

For me, there is the "blue sky wish list" and then there is reality. I know that my wish list will not be met and quite frankly, that doesn't bother me very much. What I am really looking for in the camera is greatly improved autofocus capability, and if the rumoured specs are right, it will do the job and I will order one.

I also shoot video with a DSLR. I am VERY happy with having a headphone jack... that's a bonus! I expected 1080 at 60Fps so that's no surprise. I did not expect 4K video so no surprise there.

I am disappointed that I will not have the ability to remote control by WiFi, but that isn't a deal breaker. As said above, I will order one ASAP.

 

[MichaelHodges]

The 7D was the softest Canon DSLR I've owned (and I've owned a bunch). So any move away from that buttery, waxy look is progress.

You weren't using the right ACR settings...or were using DPP. (Seriously.)

That said, I agree with you on RAW sharpness and taking more post processing. I wouldn't miss an AA filter.

I use Lightroom. Trust me when I say I had several 7D's, and all of them performed this way regardless of settings. My 70D is much, much better.

I'm not sure what the exact cause was. I believe it was a result of several factors, perhaps a "sot focus" combined with a buttery AA filter. My keeper rate, with several 7D's was considerably less than any other Canon DSLR I have owned, and across the same set of lenses. I shoot mostly nature, and the 7D just hated organic colors.