Are we finally going to get f/2.8 constant aperture zoom lenses for APS-C/RF-S?

If people are legit using the small-sensor cameras for pro work, it makes total sense to me to make an L-quality lens for them. The advantages more or less square with the reduction in sensor width, so such an L lens could be half the price of a full-frame lens of the same range of viewing angles.

One thing to remember though is that they won't have the bokeh of a full-frame f/2.8. The small-sensor lens at say 28mm f/2.8 will have the identical bokeh to a full-frame 28mm f/2.8; the difference is that you only see the central 50% or so (by area) of that image.

Also, f/2.8 was mainly needed in the SLR days just 1) for viewfinder accuracy; 2) to allow the autofocus sensors to work; and 3) to give you an option to reach for in desperation if ISO 400 or so simply wasn't fast enough and you were already teetering on the edge of the reciprocal rule. With today's sensors you can publish ISO5000 images for almost any purpose I think except fine art. Meanwhile, on the film SLRs we hardly ever blew most photos up past 10x15"/25x37cm. Yet today we inspect every potential keeper even from a small-sensor camera on at least 21-inch monitors without flinching, and the web gives us output options practically all of our photos (e.g., click the regular-size photo to see a full-screen). At these much higher magnifications, and with the added sharpness of the perfect AF and IBIS and IS and low-noise sensors, it is so clear what the subject is vs. the background, that we just don't need f/2.8 any more, even in full-frame. F/4 is the new f/2.8, I've often said, with the 100-500 an honorary f/4 lens as it shoots a lot like a 100-300/4 that has teleconverters when you need them.

In summary, I can totally see small-sensor L lenses. And given that there still seems to be some "muscle memory" that keeps people pounding the order button when they see f/2.8, I can see Canon making them. But they're certainly not especially needed now.
 
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This surprises me. Maybe Canon got tired of camera reviewers saying that the camera is great but the lack of lenses makes it unattractive to buy. I bought the 18-50 Sigma and am waiting for the 10-18. Now if Sigma would just introduce a small and light 50-135 f/2.8 DC DN C, I'd have my trinity.
 
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LoL apsc Prosumer stuff from canon.
That was my initial reaction, as well. But it’s certainly true that the entry-level market is shrinking, so I can see the logic in moving APS-C upmarket.

But the RP and R8 are cheaper than the R7 already, and there are decent non-L FF lenses. Canon could just come out with a 24-70/4 non-L and those wanting ‘prosumer APS-C’ would be better served anyway.
 
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That was my initial reaction, as well. But it’s certainly true that the entry-level market is shrinking, so I can see the logic in moving APS-C upmarket.

But the RP and R8 are cheaper than the R7 already, and there are decent non-L FF lenses. Canon could just come out with a 24-70/4 non-L and those wanting ‘prosumer APS-C’ would be better served anyway.

24mm as your wide end on a crop sucks. It's constraining to the point of being useless for the situations in which people use 24-70s on FF.

Lots of pro work was done on the 7D series. Lots of pro work is done on Fuji's. Only the nerds around here care about sensor size (Yes, I'm guilty).
 
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Would like to see IS on that lenses, something that the sigmas are missing. The simpler apsc body's have no ibis, and F2.8 is a low light lens for me.
When canon gives ibis to it's small and light cameras we can skip it
 
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Extending the range of wide angle zoom lenses come with compromises. FF shooters are fine with 24-70 and they buy them in droves. Canon extended a lens to 105 which lines up with your suggestion and it costs a grand more, sometimes twice as much during certain times of the year... And that's to maintain optical performance through the range. It's also enormous.

I would definitely prefer a 15-70mm over a 15-45mm, even if it can't be as optical perfect as the shorter zoom-range. With short-flange mirrorless mount and more modern lens-constructions, I guess it would be possible to make it more compact than the old EF-S 17-55 (but I'm of course not an expert, so maybe not?).
But 15mm is still more important to me than 70mm to me. And I guess I would order an RF-S 15-45/f2.8 the day it was announced anyway.
(But definitely hoping Canon will give us at least 55mm then, to "align" with the old EF-S:))
 
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24mm as your wide end on a crop sucks. It's constraining to the point of being useless for the situations in which people use 24-70s on FF.

Lots of pro work was done on the 7D series. Lots of pro work is done on Fuji's. Only the nerds around here care about sensor size (Yes, I'm guilty).
Did never care much about sensor size and did most of my stuff on APSC early on.
But with growing skill and experience I wanted to have better glass and started buying full frame lenses because I was not satisfied with using f4.5-f22 variable aperture lenses anymore.
And some time after that I went full circle and bought a used R6 to actually use my FF glass to its full potential.
So canons strategy worked on me I guess. And I very much doubt, they will change that.
Also as a standard internet forum user, I now have to belittle APSC and insist on everyone using full frame instead to confirm my own decisions and not feed my insecurities.
 
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Did never care much about sensor size and did most of my stuff on APSC early on.
But with growing skill and experience I wanted to have better glass and started buying full frame lenses because I was not satisfied with using f4.5-f22 variable aperture lenses anymore.
And some time after that I went full circle and bought a used R6 to actually use my FF glass to its full potential.
So canons strategy worked on me I guess. And I very much doubt, they will change that.
Also as a standard internet forum user, I now have to belittle APSC and insist on everyone using full frame instead to confirm my own decisions and not feed my insecurities.

I'm buying a Fuji for my family Asian adventure this winter. Nothing wrong with APSC if it's done right. I just can't go m/3, even though those OM cameras are tanks.

I use the RF 16 on a crop and it's fantastic, it hides all of the weaknesses.

I'd like to see one Canon APS-C camera that deviates from their current design philosophy.
 
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24mm as your wide end on a crop sucks. It's constraining to the point of being useless for the situations in which people use 24-70s on FF.

Lots of pro work was done on the 7D series. Lots of pro work is done on Fuji's. Only the nerds around here care about sensor size (Yes, I'm guilty).
I have (or have had) a 5D3, R6, and R10, with 24-70L and 24-105L lenses. But the kit I carried most is/was my SL1 with EFS 15-85. I think the 15-85 works as well as my 24-105. The 24-70 is too short for me, full frame. I would love an RFS 15-85, or a 17-85, fixed or variable f-stop.
 
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Wild guess: Canon moves the R7-2 and R10-2 up market. The R7-2 becomes slightly larger and uses the R6-2/R5-2 body configuration. Canon makes major improvements to the R7-2 noise characteristics. The R10-2 remains the same size but adds IBIS and a little weight. The Sigma APS-C lenses seem intended for cameras that have IBIS and fit right in. Like I wrote previously, Sigma needs a 50-135 f/2.8 DC DN C maybe without IS. Small size and light weight are, to some, highly desirable.

Note that many/most of Canon's cheap APS-C lenses start of at 18mm, not 15mm. I'm don't think a pro quality 15-45 f/2.8 IS costing nearly $1000 would sell all that well.
 
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I'm buying a Fuji for my family Asian adventure this winter. Nothing wrong with APSC if it's done right. I just can't go m/3, even though those OM cameras are tanks.

I use the RF 16 on a crop and it's fantastic, it hides all of the weaknesses.

I'd like to see one Canon APS-C camera that deviates from their current design philosophy.
I considered a Fuji too previously.... but ultimately, decide against it and to stay on RF ASP-C instead... read that Canon bodies seem more durable in adverse conditions..... but will KIV for now as I just got the R6 2 instead....
 
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Wild guess: Canon moves the R7-2 and R10-2 up market. The R7-2 becomes slightly larger and uses the R6-2/R5-2 body configuration. Canon makes major improvements to the R7-2 noise characteristics. The R10-2 remains the same size but adds IBIS and a little weight. The Sigma APS-C lenses seem intended for cameras that have IBIS and fit right in. Like I wrote previously, Sigma needs a 50-135 f/2.8 DC DN C maybe without IS. Small size and light weight are, to some, highly desirable.

Note that many/most of Canon's cheap APS-C lenses start of at 18mm, not 15mm. I'm don't think a pro quality 15-45 f/2.8 IS costing nearly $1000 would sell all that well.

If it's constant aperture, the Canon can cost 30%-40% more than an equal third party and they'll sell more of them. The only lenses Sigma and Tamron sell a lot of are the slow wide range zooms.
 
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If it's constant aperture, the Canon can cost 30%-40% more than an equal third party and they'll sell more of them. The only lenses Sigma and Tamron sell a lot of are the slow wide range zooms.
Oic... I dun touch 3rd party lense since my bad experience with compatibility issue....


Also, as I have many EF & RF lenses... it is cheaper for me to stay with Canon...
 
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If it's constant aperture, the Canon can cost 30%-40% more than an equal third party and they'll sell more of them. The only lenses Sigma and Tamron sell a lot of are the slow wide range zooms.
Canon is not crippling third-party lenses like Sony does.
The results may not be the same.
Although, Canon can tailor lenses specifically toward the needs of Canon customers.
Sigma seems to be porting over lenses that were made with Sony users in mind first and foremost.
 
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