buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?

[lintoni]

In this instance, it is. A 3 year (approx) cycle on the 5D bodies makes rumours of a new body next year more reasonable than waiting up tp... four... eight years.

In that case, perhaps we should discuss the validity of the 7DII rumors from 2012, three years (approx) after the 7D was released...and the two more years that elapsed prior to the actual announcement of the 7DII. 8)

Which was released a lot later than Canon wanted, hence the v2 firmware update to prolong the life of the 7D, but even so, discussing the 7DII rumours, in conjunction with rumours regarding the next 5D and 1D series bodies would certainly be less inane than doing so by comparing lens update cycles. 8)

 

[Loswr]

In this instance, it is. A 3 year (approx) cycle on the 5D bodies makes rumours of a new body next year more reasonable than waiting up tp... four... eight years.

In that case, perhaps we should discuss the validity of the 7DII rumors from 2012, three years (approx) after the 7D was released...and the two more years that elapsed prior to the actual announcement of the 7DII. 8)

Which was released a lot later than Canon wanted, hence the v2 firmware update to prolong the life of the 7D. 8)

So, you're privy to Canon's internal discussions on dSLR strategy? How else would you know the 7DII was delayed beyond when Canon wanted to launch it? It couldn't have been because the 7D was still selling pretty well, right? Nothing to do with extracting additional profit from a highly successful camera? With your inside info, you must already know exactly when the 5DIV will be announced.

You can plot past release dates until the cows come home, the global market is different today, the competitive landscape is different, too. Yet like the 7D, the 5DIII remains a very popular camera, and the longer it remains so, the greater Canon's return on investment. I assume such things matter to them, I guess you'd know better than me.

 

[sanj]

In this instance, it is. A 3 year (approx) cycle on the 5D bodies makes rumours of a new body next year more reasonable than waiting up tp... four... eight years.

In that case, perhaps we should discuss the validity of the 7DII rumors from 2012, three years (approx) after the 7D was released...and the two more years that elapsed prior to the actual announcement of the 7DII. 8)

Which was released a lot later than Canon wanted, hence the v2 firmware update to prolong the life of the 7D. 8)

So, you're privy to Canon's internal discussions on dSLR strategy? How else would you know the 7DII was delayed beyond when Canon wanted to launch it? It couldn't have been because the 7D was still selling pretty well, right? Nothing to do with extracting additional profit from a highly successful camera? With your inside info, you must already know exactly when the 5DIV will be announced.

You can plot past release dates until the cows come home, the global market is different today, the competitive landscape is different, too. Yet like the 7D, the 5DIII remains a very popular camera, and the longer it remains so, the greater Canon's return on investment. I assume such things matter to them, I guess you'd know better than me.

Neuro when do you guesstimate 5d4 will be released? I trust your judgement and am curious. Thanks for your reply in advance.

 

[Dylan777]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest. I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

It's not about the church. It's about disrupting the ceremony with a major distraction. The 1dx shutter is no doubt a distraction in any quiet venue. I agree that the 1dx allows for better shadow exposure. In most cases as in an indoor wedding ceremony the 5d3 will work just as well.I've seen it happen and there are many here that have seen it happen.

Interesting POV. My friends(pro wedding) have just dumping their 5D III bodies(x8) and replaced with 1DX(x8). I guess they must enjoying loud shutter and heavy weight.

There is a huge different between spec reader and hand-on people. BTW, 18MP is enough for cropping when the shots framed correctly in the first place.

 

[Loswr]

Neuro when do you guesstimate 5d4 will be released? I trust your judgement and am curious. Thanks for your reply in advance.

I think Spring 2016. But we might see a different line start up (high MP, lower fps) before that.

 

[Marsu42]

Neuro when do you guesstimate 5d4 will be released? I trust your judgement and am curious. Thanks for your reply in advance.

I think Spring 2016. But we might see a different line start up (high MP, lower fps) before that.

Agreed. Even if I wasn't asked

 

[East Wind Photography]

I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments.

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest. I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

It's not about the church. It's about disrupting the ceremony with a major distraction. The 1dx shutter is no doubt a distraction in any quiet venue. I agree that the 1dx allows for better shadow exposure. In most cases as in an indoor wedding ceremony the 5d3 will work just as well.I've seen it happen and there are many here that have seen it happen.

Interesting POV. My friends(pro wedding) have just dumping their 5D III bodies(x8) and replaced with 1DX(x8). I guess they must enjoying loud shutter and heavy weight.

There is a huge different between spec reader and hand-on people. BTW, 18MP is enough for cropping when the shots framed correctly in the first place.

Certainly and for weddings I use only my 5D3 in quiet mode. I guess there are many pros who just dont give a darn about distracting guests and only focus on their job.

 

[lintoni]

In this instance, it is. A 3 year (approx) cycle on the 5D bodies makes rumours of a new body next year more reasonable than waiting up tp... four... eight years.

In that case, perhaps we should discuss the validity of the 7DII rumors from 2012, three years (approx) after the 7D was released...and the two more years that elapsed prior to the actual announcement of the 7DII. 8)

Which was released a lot later than Canon wanted, hence the v2 firmware update to prolong the life of the 7D. 8)

So, you're privy to Canon's internal discussions on dSLR strategy? How else would you know the 7DII was delayed beyond when Canon wanted to launch it? It couldn't have been because the 7D was still selling pretty well, right? Nothing to do with extracting additional profit from a highly successful camera? With your inside info, you must already know exactly when the 5DIV will be announced.

You can plot past release dates until the cows come home, the global market is different today, the competitive landscape is different, too. Yet like the 7D, the 5DIII remains a very popular camera, and the longer it remains so, the greater Canon's return on investment. I assume such things matter to them, I guess you'd know better than me.

Lol, a reasonable guess at a reason for the v2 firmware for the 7D turns into an oh-so predictable "inside info" and "different today" rant. Still, it's better than your 100-400 comparison, I'll give you that!

 

[dolina]

And *if* that rumored timeline happens, how quickly will the latest and greatest cameras be on shelves available for purchase?

It was a year between 1DX announcement and widespread availability.

If Canon pulls out the stops on the 5D3 replacement, will it be readily available?

If Canon releases a 1DsIV, how long will the general public have to wait to get one? Will that drive up 1DX prices?

Given current discount deals on the 1DX, I wouldn't wait to get one if "waiting for the replacement" was the best reason to not get one now.

Some Canon EF products from the top of my head.

Announced
18 October 2011 - 1D X
17 September 2008 - 5D Mark II
15 September 2014 - 7D Mark II
20 October 2009 - 1D Mark IV
11 November 2014 - EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II

Shipped
June 2012 - 1D X
December 2008 - 5D Mark II
October 2014 - 7D Mark II
December 2009 1D Mark IV
December 2014 - EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II

Baring earthquakes, tsunamis, legal reasons, technical reasons and break down of supply chains in other parts of the world Canon does deliver products within 1-3 months from announcement.

I am 100% certain that the 1D X replacement or supplement will show up before August 2016. I am 110% certain that the 5D Mark III replacement will be released months before that time also.

Now as to buy now or later is really based on your wants/needs. I want a full frame and I am willing to wait it out for the 5D Mark IV. Perhaps the thread starter is not aware about the product upgrade cycle of the 5D or 1D line hence my mentioning it

I have gone through buying a EOS body less than 12 months before a new one shipped and it is annoying to suffer such bad depreciation.

 

[Loswr]

Lol, a reasonable guess at a reason for the v2 firmware for the 7D...

Indeed. I guess the 5DIII was launched later than Canon wanted, too. Likewise, Canon must have planned for the 1D X replacement to be out already. Or, there might be more reasonable reasons for v2 firmware on high-end bodies.

 

[Loswr]

2015 is the year that the 5D and 1D are expected to be updated.

I expect the 5D to be updated by March or later and the 1D later in the year.

I am 100% certain that the 1D X replacement or supplement will show up before August 2016. I am 110% certain that the 5D Mark III replacement will be released months before that time also.

I see that your estimates have already slipped by a year.

 

[dolina]

Just to revisit the product cycle of the 5D line.

Mark I - 22 August 2005 (160 weeks)
Mark II - 17 September 2008 (180 weeks)
Mark III - 2 March 2012 (144 weeks as of today).

Assumption, if the 5D Mark III replacement follows the length of time of any of the previous models

Mark I - March 2015
Mark II - May 2015

Conservatively it'll be announced by March but realistically it should come out before 2016.

 

[dolina]

I see that your estimates have already slipped by a year.

Not necessarily, I stipulated August 2016 because of Rio 2016. I gave both conservative and realistic timeframe.

Double gripped pro bodies from Nikon & Canon are timed to be released months before any Olympic or FIFA World Cup event.

Same goes with the lenses, flashes and other accessories that are widely there.

Like say the 200/2 IS II or 800/5.6 IS II that CR guy keeps pushing up as a CR2 or CR3. Realistically I see them being updated before Tokyo 2020 if Canon follows the product cycle of other superteles.

 

[dolina]

In that case, perhaps we should discuss the validity of the 7DII rumors from 2012, three years (approx) after the 7D was released...and the two more years that elapsed prior to the actual announcement of the 7DII. 8)

The approx 3 year product cycle was assumed for the 7D based on those used by other single digit bodies.

I personally found it reasonable assumption at the time. Who would have thought that it would take more than 5 years from one announcement to another.

It is possible the 6D successor could either do a 3 year or 5 year product cycle. It has long passed the 12 month cycle of Digital Rebels.

 

[dolina]

Pressure from Nikon & Sony on the full frame front plays a part on the length of Canon's product cycle.

Nikon
D750 - 3 months ago
D810 - 6 months ago
D4S - 10 months ago
DF - over a year ago
D610 - over a year ago

Sony
α7 - 16 October 2013
α7R - 16 October 2013
α7S - 6 April 2014
α7 Mark II - 20 November 2014

To be honest arguing when a future product will release is ultimately pointless. I dont make money on predictions.

 

[lintoni]

Lol, a reasonable guess at a reason for the v2 firmware for the 7D...

Indeed. I guess the 5DIII was launched later than Canon wanted, too. Likewise, Canon must have planned for the 1D X replacement to be out already. Or, there might be more reasonable reasons for v2 firmware on high-end bodies.

Just out of curiosity, have Canon released a v2 firmware for any of their other bodies, high end or otherwise? Anybody know, off the top of their heads?

 

[Marsu42]

Just out of curiosity, have Canon released a v2 firmware for any of their other bodies, high end or otherwise?

5d2 aka "the dslr video revolution"

 

[Dylan777]

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And it's definitely not the quietest. I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

It's not about the church. It's about disrupting the ceremony with a major distraction. The 1dx shutter is no doubt a distraction in any quiet venue. I agree that the 1dx allows for better shadow exposure. In most cases as in an indoor wedding ceremony the 5d3 will work just as well.I've seen it happen and there are many here that have seen it happen.

Interesting POV. My friends(pro wedding) have just dumping their 5D III bodies(x8) and replaced with 1DX(x8). I guess they must enjoying loud shutter and heavy weight.

There is a huge different between spec reader and hand-on people. BTW, 18MP is enough for cropping when the shots framed correctly in the first place.

Certainly and for weddings I use only my 5D3 in quiet mode. I guess there are many pros who just dont give a darn about distracting guests and only focus on their job.

Most pros would put the couple as their priority number one. The guests attending the wedding could be the potential future clients down the road. They are more likely to ask the couple for wedding photo samples. If the results are good, they would careless about the shutter sound.

My 2cents, the shutter sound is more likely has to do with photographer, not the couple nor the guests. Just like bokeh, many clients will not be able to tell the different between f2.8 vs f1.4

 

[lintoni]

Just out of curiosity, have Canon released a v2 firmware for any of their other bodies, high end or otherwise?

5d2 aka "the dslr video revolution"

Thanks!

 

[Loswr]

Lol, a reasonable guess at a reason for the v2 firmware for the 7D...

Indeed. I guess the 5DIII was launched later than Canon wanted, too. Likewise, Canon must have planned for the 1D X replacement to be out already. Or, there might be more reasonable reasons for v2 firmware on high-end bodies.

Just out of curiosity, have Canon released a v2 firmware for any of their other bodies, high end or otherwise? Anybody know, off the top of their heads?

That was my point about the 5DIII, which by your logic must have been delayed since the 5DII had a v2 firmware update.