Canon 5D X

[photogaz]

I'm confident it'll carry this name but when will it come?

The main reason the new 1D has only 18mp is because of the speed of shooting. Will they opt to keep the sensor for lower production costs or go higher mp.

Maybe we'll see a full frame 7Dx with fast fps and a high mp 5d x

 

[jacobpays]

Things I wouldn't care about if a 5DX came out;

1. More FPS, I'm not a sports photographer.
2. Less megapixels. That would kill it for sure.
3. ISO 250000+, I rarely take pictures in pitch darkness.
4. A $1K GPS or WiFi attachment. Why aren't these built in already? Even low end cell phones have these now.
5. USB 2.0 only. USB 3.0 is already on my laptop and PC motherboard.
6. SD card only. Well maybe if it can be configured in a RAID-0 arrrangment.

Canon, please move forward!

 

[AdamJ]

I'm equally confident it will be called 5D Mk III and that it will be the big megapixel FF body in Canon's lineup, aimed at users for whom the 1DS MkIII was the natural choice.

I've no idea why anyone would think the 7D MkII will be anything other than APS-C. Another high speed FF body would eat into 1DX sales: why would Canon do that? As for APS-H, it's dead. If Canon wanted to keep APS-H alive, they would have kept the 1D and 1DS series separate. Why would Canon pass APS-H down the line to a cheaper body when they could have produced a 1D MkV? APS-H is dead, never to return.

 

[unfocused]

I'm equally confident it will be called 5D Mk III and that it will be the big megapixel FF body in Canon's lineup, aimed at users for whom the 1DS MkIII was the natural choice.

I've no idea why anyone would think the 7D MkII will be anything other than APS-C. Another high speed FF body would eat into 1DX sales: why would Canon do that? As for APS-H, it's dead. If Canon wanted to keep APS-H alive, they would have kept the 1D and 1DS series separate. Why would Canon pass APS-H down the line to a cheaper body when they could have produced a 1D MkV? APS-H is dead, never to return.

Completely agree. The APS-H format has been an orphan for years. It was clearly a transitional format, squeezed out as the image quality between APS-C and Full Frame has narrowed.

 

[Isaac]

Canon went as far as III in their lineup with the 1d series. Therefore I think they will go with the 5D III name.

 

[Picsfor]

why would they change the name at this stage?

The 5D range has become synonymous with ground breaking camera specs, a marketing person would tell you it would be madness to change the naming policy of a brand. The X for the 1 series solved loads of issues, it's not an "s" variant and it's not a plain mk"*" variant.

I believe the 5D series will become Canon's new megapixel beast instead of the 1Ds range. Why not? It not only killed the 1Ds3, but brought Canon bucket loads of dosh and reputation that money really couldn't buy.

Keeping it to a 5D3 will keep the brand name intact, and delivering around 30mp with a working 25k working ISO, improved AF (say 9 full cross hairs) - and probably dual CF slots to over come the video regs in Europe for around the £2200 would bring along another huge raft of upgrade and fresh sales.

If you make it a 5Dx, people will ask what have they done to the 5D range. If you make it 5D3, they know what they're getting - and people will be saying "go on then - what have they done now?" in a manner that will leave you wondering how other brands are ever gonna match it!

That's my 5D3's worth

 

[pedro]

Keeping it to a 5D3 will keep the brand name intact, and delivering around 30mp with a working 25k working ISO, improved AF (say 9 full cross hairs) - and probably dual CF slots to over come the video regs in Europe for around the £2200 would bring along another huge raft of upgrade and fresh sales.

@picsfor: good price tag. About 3100 swiss francs then... What do you mean with "working 25k working ISO"?
What is the so called native ISO by then? 6400 or 12.800? Sorry, I haven't got a 5D so I cannot relate to own experience, saving up for a 5Diii even though I am aimed at super fine high ISO photography...the 1Dx is just quite beyond my money wallet size...but I do hope it will deliever some usable 51k for very low light b/w Robert - Frank - type photography
Cheers Pedro

 

[Picsfor]

@picsfor: good price tag. About 3100 swiss francs then... What do you mean with "working 25k working ISO"?
What is the so called native ISO by then? 6400 or 12.800?

5D2 has a working iso of up to 6400, with an H1 setting of 12800 and an H2 setting of 25600.

So making the 25600 a working iso would gain an extra 2 stops, giving an H2 setting up to 104k.

I enjoy shooting at 6400, i find it gives a nice grain - but if i could achieve the same at 25600 i can assure you the flash would stay off the camera a lot more and i could add options to my shots with the extra stops giving me aperture or shutter options to provide greater shot composition options.

 

[pedro]

well, this would be great indeed. thanks. 25k working iso plus two stops...this yields even a nice grain at 51k plus some NR in PP. Looking forward to it 8) There is joy in the waiting. Cheers, Pedro

 

[archangelrichard]

I could see a 5D mk III being a high resolution (32 MP+)

and then a 5D X (or 3 D X) being the rumored 1D X sensor but less processing / video power (a single Digic V +)

 

[ferdi]

Canon went as far as III in their lineup with the 1d series.

You forgot the 1D Mark IV.

Calling it the 5D X would make not make sense if you take Chuck Westfall's explanation for the X:

• X for extreme (X-treme) performance
• X for cross-over (X-over), since this represents the merging of Canon's two pro digital SLR cameras, the higher-resolution EOS-1Ds Mark III and higher-performance EOS-1D Mark IV, into a single next-generation model
• The Roman numeral X, as in 10, because the EOS-1D X represents the 10th generation of pro-class SLR from Canon since the F-1 debuted in 1971

If Canon would regard the 5D series as pro-class, then only the last one would apply.
So my bet is on "Canon EOS 5D Mark III".
Funny that only the 1 series has the dash between "EOS" and the digit.

By the way, am I correct in these 10 generations?
[list type=decimal]
[*]Canon F-1
[*]Canon New F-1
[*]Canon T90
[*]Canon EOS-1, 1N and 1N RS
[*]Canon EOS-1v
[*]Canon EOS-1D and 1Ds
[*]Canon EOS-1D Mark II and 1Ds Mark II
[*]Canon EOS-1D Mark III and 1Ds Mark III
[*]Canon EOS-1D Mark IV
[*]Canon EOS-1D X
[/list]

 

[niccyboy]

What does the X stand for? Did they explain? - Ooops sorry re read

I wonder why they steered away from 5 as the 1 series was always named after the digic processor number... eg 1d3 - digic 3 - 1d4 digic 4

- I realise they crossed over the two models... but I thought the numbering system was quite effective

 

[distant.star]

I'm equally confident it will be called Kingfish.

Oh, sorry, that's the code name they're using.

Either way, I'll buy one if it comes out during my lifetime.

I'm confident it'll carry this name but when will it come?

 

[ferdi]

In the end I don't really care, as long as they don't start using the year of release, e.g. "Canon EOS 2012".
That makes your camera sound outdated the year after already.

 

[moreorless]

why would they change the name at this stage?

The 5D range has become synonymous with ground breaking camera specs, a marketing person would tell you it would be madness to change the naming policy of a brand. The X for the 1 series solved loads of issues, it's not an "s" variant and it's not a plain mk"*" variant.

I believe the 5D series will become Canon's new megapixel beast instead of the 1Ds range. Why not? It not only killed the 1Ds3, but brought Canon bucket loads of dosh and reputation that money really couldn't buy.

One arguement for a change could be if Canon produce two 5D sized FF bodies, one high megapixel and one entry level. In that situation I'd say it might make more sense to call the high megapixel body the 3D and the entry level the 5D mk3 rather than introducing the 6D, its what happened in the crop makret with the 60D and 7D afterall.

That way the entry level body gains from the 5D's good rep and the 3D looks more attractive to former 1Ds users rather than having them feel they've been forced into a dowgrade.

 

[Edwin Herdman]

I'm highly doubtful the next 5D will carry an "X" moniker. It wouldn't seem prudent for Canon to take such a large gamble with a larger segment of their market - they're free to gamble with the 1D X (and I think that until the reviews come in many photographers are going to be on the fence, if not extremely wary) but the "X" signifies a large overhaul of the system. To do that with the 5D - well, would they do that for the lowly Rebels, too, or the 7D? Meshing together the marketing isn't a good enough reason; the X would most likely signify comprehensive changes to the format and I don't see those changes being too likely for other cameras in the range.

 

[AG]

Hmmm, I think the 5D MK3 will become the video DSLR in Canon's lineup with fewer MP (improving the DR of the sensor) and extra video features not found on any other camera and that we'll see a 3D introduced that has higher megapixels.

How they'll price them, I've no idea..

Agreed...... kinda.

I have a feeling that they will release a camera with the specs you are thinking for the 5D3 but it will be a new line, e.g. the 6D that we have heard rumours about. The 5D3 will more than likely be the large MP camera that you are speaking of .

The main reason for this thinking is if they change the 5D3 into a pure video based DSLR can you imagine the bitching and moaning on these and other forums .... "they have ruined the 5D".... "OMG I'm going to sell all my gear and move to Nikon" etc etc. It would make more sense to start the line off fresh and dedicated.

On saying that the one thing i REALLY hope they add is a headphone jack for monitoring.

 

[pp77]

Canon went as far as III in their lineup with the 1d series.

You forgot the 1D Mark IV.

Calling it the 5D X would make not make sense if you take Chuck Westfall's explanation for the X:

• X for extreme (X-treme) performance
• X for cross-over (X-over), since this represents the merging of Canon's two pro digital SLR cameras, the higher-resolution EOS-1Ds Mark III and higher-performance EOS-1D Mark IV, into a single next-generation model
• The Roman numeral X, as in 10, because the EOS-1D X represents the 10th generation of pro-class SLR from Canon since the F-1 debuted in 1971

If Canon would regard the 5D series as pro-class, then only the last one would apply.
So my bet is on "Canon EOS 5D Mark III".
Funny that only the 1 series has the dash between "EOS" and the digit.

By the way, am I correct in these 10 generations?
[list type=decimal]
[*]Canon F-1
[*]Canon New F-1
[*]Canon T90
[*]Canon EOS-1, 1N and 1N RS
[*]Canon EOS-1v
[*]Canon EOS-1D and 1Ds
[*]Canon EOS-1D Mark II and 1Ds Mark II
[*]Canon EOS-1D Mark III and 1Ds Mark III
[*]Canon EOS-1D Mark IV
[*]Canon EOS-1D X
[/list]

According to the video posted earlier (http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/10/canon-japan-eos-1d-x-the-birth-of-entirely-new-flagship/) the X in 1DX was chosen because it is indeed the 10th generation of the EOS 1 series. Next 5D will probably be a 5D MkIII.

 

[Zuuyi]

According to the video posted earlier (http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/10/canon-japan-eos-1d-x-the-birth-of-entirely-new-flagship/) the X in 1DX was chosen because it is indeed the 10th generation of the EOS 1 series. Next 5D will probably be a 5D MkIII.

The next 5D will be Mark III. X is for 10. But with the merge of the 1 series there is room for a 3 series. Which they can now price anywhere between 3000 and 6500 to compete against Red.


The product line according to me (after updates)

1Dx - Flagship - $7000
3D - 4k Video - $5000
5D3 - 25-30 MP - $2500
7D2 - 21MP - $1600
70D - 21MP - $1200
T4i - 21MP - $800
T4 - 15MP - $600

 

[AG]

The product line according to me (after updates)

1Dx - Flagship - $7000
3D - 4k Video - $5000
5D3 - 25-30 MP - $2500
7D2 - 21MP - $1600
70D - 21MP - $1200
T4i - 21MP - $800
T4 - 15MP - $600

What is it with everyone thinking that they are going to make a 3D?

Unless they actually make a 3D capable camera it won't happen. Same reason why we won't get a 2D.
Similar to your ideal i now get the feeling that its going to go something like this...

1D-X Flagship - $7000
1D-C 4K Video DSLR - $5000
5D3 - High MP Full Frame, Basic HD video (similar to mk2 already has) - $2500
7D2 - Top APSC - $2000

The the usual such as, 70D, 700D, 1200D etc

The top 4 are going to be the key here.
From what Canon seems to be doing, they are streamlining their products.

Key being that the 1D X is the Photographers camera and the C being the videographers camera, for example the C will not have the high 12fps shooting speeds of the X or the ethernet connection, instead it has 4K video and headphone jack for audio monitoring.

And before anyone else decides to smite this post i understand the D and the Ds were different lines of the same family in basically the same situation. lets just see how this plays out this time.