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[VirtualRain]

For buyers, the 5DS has only one question and one question only - do you need/can you use 50MP? If yes, this is a camera for you. If no, it is a poor value. For most photography, all out resolution isn't the most important. It's always, always, always nice to have. But it isn't the most important. Especially if one is giving up other things in return.

The camera is only for those who plan to create the highest resolution photos with a DSLR, and who view all other capabilities as secondary or lesser than that. And even then, most will probably be from the Canon family already.

I'm thinking of this as neutrally as possible. Again, I'm a Canon user (5D3 and 6D). That is a lot of money for just high resolution. The killer is the weak ISO topping out at 6400. The FPS could be overlooked. No big deal there with so much data per photo. AF is perfectly fine. But the ISO is weak.

Forget all these idiotic dynamic range trolls. I agree that more DR is better. But I also agree that it just isn't that important as it is made out to be. However, good clean high ISO is important.

Sure, some are arguing, this is a STUDIO camera. You don't run even 6400 in a studio let alone more. I say - TRUE. But that again falls into my point that this is too specialized. Regardless of whether or not Canon released an incredibly good high ISO camera in the 5D4 - I think even a specialty camera should be a little more well rounded than that.

I agree.

I think arguing about whether the 5DS is going to be successful is extremely challenging since (a) it's difficult to define success and (b) even more difficult to know if success is achieved.

There's no doubt that it cost Canon very little to bring this camera to market. They stuffed a larger 7D sensor in a 5D3 body... not much R&D involved in that. So who knows, maybe they'll have recovered their costs alone with just 1000 units (about $3.5M revenue).

I think it is worth debating who might buy this camera and whether it's good value for them or not.

From what I gather, it's got medium format resolution with APS-C image quality. What kind of shooter wants/needs that? I would hazard to guess that anyone shooting high-fashion or making a living off of landscape photography has shifted to MF long ago. And I'm not sure how a 5DS is going to get a budding photographer noticed... the image quality just isn't there. And for those that say it provides massive cropping potential, well aren't those folks just as well off with the 7DII for half the money?

 

[privatebydesign]

It's a nearly $4,000 50MP 5D3 with worse ISO.

^ that's the nutshell of it.


For buyers, the 5DS has only one question and one question only - do you need/can you use 50MP? If yes, this is a camera for you. If no, it is a poor value. For most photography, all out resolution isn't the most important. It's always, always, always nice to have. But it isn't the most important. Especially if one is giving up other things in return.

The camera is only for those who plan to create the highest resolution photos with a DSLR, and who view all other capabilities as secondary or lesser than that. And even then, most will probably be from the Canon family already.

I'm thinking of this as neutrally as possible. Again, I'm a Canon user (5D3 and 6D). That is a lot of money for just high resolution. The killer is the weak ISO topping out at 6400. The FPS could be overlooked. No big deal there with so much data per photo. AF is perfectly fine. But the ISO is weak.

Forget all these idiotic dynamic range trolls. I agree that more DR is better. But I also agree that it just isn't that important as it is made out to be. However, good clean high ISO is important.

Sure, some are arguing, this is a STUDIO camera. You don't run even 6400 in a studio let alone more. I say - TRUE. But that again falls into my point that this is too specialized. Regardless of whether or not Canon released an incredibly good high ISO camera in the 5D4 - I think even a specialty camera should be a little more well rounded than that.

Piffle. I am a full time generalist, in the last year I have shot such varied events as symphony orchestra concerts (with no flash allowed), weddings, various sports, a lot of real estate, some scenic work and many portraits. I process everything in LR and have just over 62,000 images in my current working catalog, of that less than 200 images were shot above 800iso (and most of them were for tests). I used to use 100iso for everything unless absolutely pushed but LR Process Version 2012 was so much better for noise handling than PV2010 I use 200iso most of the time now.

 

[unfocused]

For buyers, the 5DS has only one question and one question only - do you need/can you use 50MP? If yes, this is a camera for you. If no, it is a poor value...

...The camera is only for those who plan to create the highest resolution photos with a DSLR, and who view all other capabilities as secondary or lesser than that. And even then, most will probably be from the Canon family already...

...That is a lot of money for just high resolution...

I generally agree with all of those statements.

My disagreement was with the claim that this camera would be a failure or a poor seller. Some people are clearly buying this camera. It might not be you and I know it isn't me (the 5DIII is a far better match for what I do), but I simply disagree that it's possible to extrapolate the success or failure of the camera from our personal preferences.

We also cannot know what kind of sales are needed for Canon to recover their costs and earn a profit. Since it shares many of the same physical features as the 5DIII, I assume there is some manufacturing cost savings to be had. Some people say it uses the same sensor as the 7DII. I'm not sure that's correct, as it doesn't have the DPAF of the 7D and they've restricted the high ISO, but it doesn't appear to be breaking any major new ground either, so there may be some savings there.

Unless I suddenly get a contract to start producing billboard-sized images, it's not a camera I imagine I will ever want or need. But, I think it's wrong to say that makes it a failure.

 

[VirtualRain]

I'd like some push-back on reply #76

Sure.

However, Canon seems stuck in a rut with their sensor technology - unable to innovate or even push their current tech in substantive ways.

Dual Pixel seems pretty innovative to me. Is this offered by Sony?

One one hand, Sony's got an amazing rage of sensors from 12MP and 400K ISO to 35MP with well controlled noise.

I haven't personally used any of the Sony's, but from the test results I've seen, I'm not sure I would agree that Sony is any better at controlling noise than Canon. They have used low megapixel sensors to improve noise performance at high ISO and their high megapixel sensors don't seem to test out all that great. Nothing unusually innovative there – probably because physics is a stubborn thing.

And on the other hand, Smartphones with "good enough" image quality, integrated connectivity, editing, sharing and touch screens are eating their low-end lunch...

The only thing I would disagree with there, is that all the other camera manufacturers have done an equally lousy job of integrating basic connectivity and touch technology into their cameras. They all should be embarrassed by that and they deserve the market losses they are all suffering.

But I think anyone that really needs 50MP, already has a medium format camera like the 645Z. Do you think all the MF guys are suddenly going to dump their systems and buy a 5DS? No... Not with the results this camera is producing... No way. So who's going to buy this? People that have always dreamed of shooting with a MF system but couldn't afford it? Jeez... these folks are in for some disappointment.

You might be right. But I would be willing to bet that Canon did some market research before bringing the latest models to market. The pre-sales seem pretty strong, so someone must be buying them.

I'll be surprised if Canon is still around in another 20 years if they keep going like this.

I'd would sooner bet on Canon and Nikon, both of whom have weathered downturns in the market many times before, than I would on Sony. I've invested in Canon in part because I do think they will be around for another 20 years or so (I'm just hoping I am as well). But, in the end, it's just our best guesses, backed up by our willingness to express confidence by buying into a line of cameras.

Personal anecdote: I saw a wedding photo shoot at the Quay here on the weekend, while I didn't get too close, the backup photographer had a Canon DSLR (as noted by the strap), the primary photographer was using a Sony Mirrorless (obvious from the orange/red ring at the lens mount).

I really don't trust anecdotes. They are too susceptible to confirmation bias and too random. I don't really pay attention to what other photographers use, but if I do notice, it seems most photographers I see are still using either Canon or Nikon.

Thanks for the push back!

Looking at the test linked at the beginning of this thread, the year-old Sony sensor in the D810 is better to my eyes than the latest and greatest from Canon.... the 7DII and the 5DS R.

You may not like Sony, but they are smartest player out there right now. Almost every mobile device carry's a Sony Sensor these days... it's providing great profitability that will enable unprecedented R&D which will just put Canon further behind.

I love Canon, but they seem like a dear in the headlights these days.

 

[Sporgon]

Im surprised what lack of knowledge some people has about DR and the meaning of exposure latitude
and what it means to reproduce an image.

I would like to have the same exposure latitude in my Canon cameras as Nikon have now when we have 50Mp resolution.
sorry to say but few here have a very narrow view of what DR and exposure latitude means in reality

Hey Mikael, was that aimed at me ? Seem to remember you told me I didn't know what a tonal curve was too.
Behave yourself or I'll set Neuro on you.

 

[zlatko]

For buyers, the 5DS has only one question and one question only - do you need/can you use 50MP? If yes, this is a camera for you. If no, it is a poor value. For most photography, all out resolution isn't the most important. It's always, always, always nice to have. But it isn't the most important. Especially if one is giving up other things in return.

The camera is only for those who plan to create the highest resolution photos with a DSLR, and who view all other capabilities as secondary or lesser than that. And even then, most will probably be from the Canon family already.

I'm thinking of this as neutrally as possible. Again, I'm a Canon user (5D3 and 6D). That is a lot of money for just high resolution. The killer is the weak ISO topping out at 6400. The FPS could be overlooked. No big deal there with so much data per photo. AF is perfectly fine. But the ISO is weak.

Forget all these idiotic dynamic range trolls. I agree that more DR is better. But I also agree that it just isn't that important as it is made out to be. However, good clean high ISO is important.

Sure, some are arguing, this is a STUDIO camera. You don't run even 6400 in a studio let alone more. I say - TRUE. But that again falls into my point that this is too specialized. Regardless of whether or not Canon released an incredibly good high ISO camera in the 5D4 - I think even a specialty camera should be a little more well rounded than that.

I agree.

I think arguing about whether the 5DS is going to be successful is extremely challenging since (a) it's difficult to define success and (b) even more difficult to know if success is achieved.

There's no doubt that it cost Canon very little to bring this camera to market. They stuffed a larger 7D sensor in a 5D3 body... not much R&D involved in that. So who knows, maybe they'll have recovered their costs alone with just 1000 units (about $3.5M revenue).

I think it is worth debating who might buy this camera and whether it's good value for them or not.

From what I gather, it's got medium format resolution with APS-C image quality. What kind of shooter wants/needs that? I would hazard to guess that anyone shooting high-fashion or making a living off of landscape photography has shifted to MF long ago. And I'm not sure how a 5DS is going to get a budding photographer noticed... the image quality just isn't there. And for those that say it provides massive cropping potential, well aren't those folks just as well off with the 7DII for half the money?

About how much it costs to bring the 5D3 to market ... you have no idea. It's not that there's "no doubt that it cost Canon very little" but that you have no idea.

And there's no point in debating whether this camera "is a good value" because that's entirely personal and subjective. That debate is going nowhere.

As for APS-C image quality ... have you seen the 5DS's image quality? It's fantastic. Fantastic. It's not APS-C image quality. You say "the image quality just isn't there". My goodness, that just couldn't be more wrong. No facts there, just more opinion-based rain on the parade. If someone can't get high quality images with the 5DS, then they can't get high quality images with anything ever. Photographers all over the world have produced amazing work with past Canon cameras, but you say "the image quality just isn't there". Oh ... my ... goodness. I'm speechless (almost).

As for Canon failing to make a camera that gets a budding photographers "noticed" ... NEWS FLASH: buying a camera (any camera) isn't what gets a budding photographer noticed.

To the person above who feels ISO 6400 makes this camera "too specialized" ... Jeepers, almost ALL of the photography ever done and almost all of the photography done today is still done in the ISO 100 - 6400 range. And ISO 6400 on this camera looks pretty darned good. So ISO 6400 is hardly making this a "specialty camera".

As for pushback on post #76 about Canon having "run out of innovation". Goodness, that's easy. Off the top of my head:
Highest MP DSLR (currently)
World's only 14fps DSLR
World's only 8-15 fisheye zoom
World's only 17T-SE
World's best 24-70/2.8 AF zoom
World's smallest DSLR
Low light autofocus sensitivity down to EV -3 (6D)
Two autofocus pancake lenses
World's only 11-24 zoom
World's only line of wide-angle primes with IS (24, 28, 35)
f/1.2 lenses
Dual pixel AF for video
World's only camera maker with dedicated radio transmitter & flash
Anti flicker feature for shooting in fluorescent light
1X - 5X macro lens
Options for medium and small RAW files
Macro twin light flash
User replaceable focusing screens on many models
Arguably the best ergonomics of any AF camera system

 

[Loswr]

Im surprised what lack of knowledge some people has about DR and the meaning of exposure latitude
and what it means to reproduce an image.

I would like to have the same exposure latitude in my Canon cameras as Nikon have now when we have 50Mp resolution.
sorry to say but few here have a very narrow view of what DR and exposure latitude means in reality

Hey Mikael, was that aimed at me ? Seem to remember you told me I didn't know what a tonal curve was too.
Behave yourself or I'll set Neuro on you.

Lol. Besides, we all know that DR and exposure latitude mean. DR means you can shoot pictures of black barbecues next to white sheds. Exposure latitude means you can underexpose pictures of awnings by five stops then push them in post. The relevance is still woefully unclear, but Mikael lacked that from the outset.

 

[unfocused]

As for pushback on post #76 about Canon having "run out of innovation". Goodness, that's easy. Off the top of my head:
Highest MP DSLR (currently)
World's only 14fps DSLR
World's only 8-15 fisheye zoom
World's only 17T-SE
World's best 24-70/2.8 AF zoom
World's smallest DSLR
Low light autofocus sensitivity down to EV -3 (6D)
Two autofocus pancake lenses
World's only 11-24 zoom
World's only line of wide-angle primes with IS (24, 28, 35)
f/1.2 lenses
Dual pixel AF for video
World's only camera maker with dedicated radio transmitter & flash
Anti flicker feature for shooting in fluorescent light
1X - 5X macro lens
Options for medium and small RAW files
Macro twin light flash
User replaceable focusing screens on many models
Arguably the best ergonomics of any AF camera system

Very good list.

 

[Loswr]

As for pushback on post #76 about Canon having "run out of innovation". Goodness, that's easy. Off the top of my head:
Highest MP DSLR (currently)
World's only 14fps DSLR
World's only 8-15 fisheye zoom
World's only 17T-SE
World's best 24-70/2.8 AF zoom
World's smallest DSLR
Low light autofocus sensitivity down to EV -3 (6D)
Two autofocus pancake lenses
World's only 11-24 zoom
World's only line of wide-angle primes with IS (24, 28, 35)
f/1.2 lenses
Dual pixel AF for video
World's only camera maker with dedicated radio transmitter & flash
Anti flicker feature for shooting in fluorescent light
1X - 5X macro lens
Options for medium and small RAW files
Macro twin light flash
User replaceable focusing screens on many models
Arguably the best ergonomics of any AF camera system

Very good list.

Indeed. Canon continues to innovate, so the list is dynamic...and it already has a very good range.

 

[bdunbar79]

Didn't they use the first CMOS structure sensor in a DSLR?

 

[zlatko]

A few more nice things from Canon:
World's only 200-400 zoom with built-in 1.4X extender
World's only 24-70/4 zoom with built-in 0.7X macro function
600/4 lens that is 2.5 lbs. lighter than Nikon's 600/4
500/4 lens that is 1.5 lbs. lighter than Nikon's 500/4
300/2.8 lens that is 1.2 lbs. lighter than Nikon's 300/2.8
DO lenses, including 400/4 (Nikon doesn't make a 400/4)

 

[privatebydesign]

A few more nice things from Canon:
World's only 200-400 zoom with built-in 1.4X extender
World's only 24-70/4 zoom with built-in 0.7X macro function
600/4 lens that is 2.5 lbs. lighter than Nikon's 600/4
500/4 lens that is 1.5 lbs. lighter than Nikon's 500/4
300/2.8 lens that is 1.2 lbs. lighter than Nikon's 300/2.8
DO lenses, including 400/4 (Nikon doesn't make a 400/4)

The Canon 24mm tilt and shift lens has 'free rotation', the Nikon version doesn't, the IQ from the Nikon sucks too. The 70-200 f2.8IS MkII doesn't become a 130mm at longest focal length at MFD, the Nikon Blue Ribbon 70-200 f2.8 VR MkII does ;D

Nikon do have a few points over their competition though, Canon don't offer a hipster FF camera and they were not banned from selling any of their cameras in China due to QC issues.

 

[VirtualRain]

About how much it costs to bring the 5D3 to market ... you have no idea. It's not that there's "no doubt that it cost Canon very little" but that you have no idea.

And there's no point in debating whether this camera "is a good value" because that's entirely personal and subjective. That debate is going nowhere.

As for APS-C image quality ... have you seen the 5DS's image quality? It's fantastic. Fantastic. It's not APS-C image quality. You say "the image quality just isn't there". My goodness, that just couldn't be more wrong. No facts there, just more opinion-based rain on the parade. If someone can't get high quality images with the 5DS, then they can't get high quality images with anything ever. Photographers all over the world have produced amazing work with past Canon cameras, but you say "the image quality just isn't there". Oh ... my ... goodness. I'm speechless (almost).

As for Canon failing to make a camera that gets a budding photographers "noticed" ... NEWS FLASH: buying a camera (any camera) isn't what gets a budding photographer noticed.

To the person above who feels ISO 6400 makes this camera "too specialized" ... Jeepers, almost ALL of the photography ever done and almost all of the photography done today is still done in the ISO 100 - 6400 range. And ISO 6400 on this camera looks pretty darned good. So ISO 6400 is hardly making this a "specialty camera".

As for pushback on post #76 about Canon having "run out of innovation". Goodness, that's easy. Off the top of my head:
Highest MP DSLR (currently)
World's only 14fps DSLR
World's only 8-15 fisheye zoom
World's only 17T-SE
World's best 24-70/2.8 AF zoom
World's smallest DSLR
Low light autofocus sensitivity down to EV -3 (6D)
Two autofocus pancake lenses
World's only 11-24 zoom
World's only line of wide-angle primes with IS (24, 28, 35)
f/1.2 lenses
Dual pixel AF for video
World's only camera maker with dedicated radio transmitter & flash
Anti flicker feature for shooting in fluorescent light
1X - 5X macro lens
Options for medium and small RAW files
Macro twin light flash
User replaceable focusing screens on many models
Arguably the best ergonomics of any AF camera system

That's good pushback!

And a good list... Canon does have some great products... but besides the dual-pixel technology, I wouldn't consider many of those innovative. There were wireless flash trigger systems before Canon's and there has been fast lenses and zooms and focusing screens before... none of that is innovation. Many of these may be differentiators, but not innovations. And while the 5DS may have the highest resolution of 35mm equivalent FF DSLRs, aren't there medium format DSLRs with higher res?

The early images I've seen from the 5DS have not impressed me. And in the review related to this thread, they are certainly not impressive... are they? Are people happy with what was posted in that review?

There's no doubt that great images will come from this camera... people take great photos on an iPhone these days. It's just not bringing anything new to the table. 50Mpx at $4K may be something new, but that image quality at 50Mpx is not new... It's more of the same.

I guess I still struggle to understand who's buying this (besides well-heeled enthusiasts here)... I would have to think that people making good money selling high resolution images have MF and aren't going to abandon them for this camera. And I just can't see someone breaking into MF work with this camera. So who does that leave? The struggling or budding photographer that want's higher quality poster prints for their gallery on main-street? I really don't know.

 

[3kramd5]

here's no doubt that great images will come from this camera... people take great photos on an iPhone these days. It's just not bringing anything new to the table. 50Mpx at $4K may be something new, but that image quality at 50Mpx is not new... It's more of the same.

It always makes me chuckle a bit when people discount the major feature of a new gadget in order to claim that it's pointless.

Out of curiosity, if Nikon put out a d900 tomorrow with a Sony 50MP sensor that performs identically to the d800 in all metrics other than spatial resolution if you would suggest it's more of the same?

I guess I still struggle to understand who's buying this

Easy: people who want higher than 22mpx in an EF compatible DSLR.

 

[ritholtz]

Im surprised what lack of knowledge some people has about DR and the meaning of exposure latitude
and what it means to reproduce an image.

I would like to have the same exposure latitude in my Canon cameras as Nikon have now when we have 50Mp resolution.
sorry to say but few here have a very narrow view of what DR and exposure latitude means in reality

One can do +3EV push with Canon and get results like exmor sensor.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr144_0=canon_eos70d&attr144_1=nikon_d5500&attr144_2=canon_eos70d&attr144_3=nikon_d5500&attr146_0=100_0&attr146_1=100_0&attr146_2=100_3&attr146_3=100_3&normalization=full&widget=205&x=1.000462748727441&y=1.1182943603851445

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Im surprised what lack of knowledge some people has about DR and the meaning of exposure latitude
and what it means to reproduce an image.

I would like to have the same exposure latitude in my Canon cameras as Nikon have now when we have 50Mp resolution.
sorry to say but few here have a very narrow view of what DR and exposure latitude means in reality

From 400iso up you do. People understand more than you give them credit for, raised shadows are raised shadows, they do not have the colour and tonality of correctly exposed mid tones.

You do realize that you misleading put up the wrong plot choice, you put up Screen instead of Print (normalized) because you know it makes the 6D appear to do better past ISO400.

Of course you'll go and use Print when you compare the 5Ds no doubt. Whatever makes Nikon look worse, of course, pick and chose. (not that it will look worse in this case but the 5Ds won't look as much worse as if you stuck to the Screen plot again (not that you should))

ahh i got sucked in to the hypocritical nonsense and trickery again and posted, but i figure i may as well at least point this out in case others accidentally miss it

 

[rozinyak]

I understand the idea Canon is going with is to create specialty cameras. But if this thing is only good at ISO 100 and 200 under studio conditions, that's probably too specialized to be successful. The market for this camera is too small.

I am trying to get my head round this model. I am not a pro but I am trying to specialize in landscape only. I love photography in general but I keep finding myself not using any full-format camera for anything else than landscape, and even beyond that I mostly love coast photography with long exposures. I don't have a lot of need for an allrounder. I have recently sold my 5D Mark II and I believe "anything" will be better than that but I am definitely thinking the Canon-line although I have full respect for other brands. So what I am looking at is the 5D Mark III (which might soon become obsolete as it has been with us for a while now, especially with rumours regarding the Mark IV becoming more frequent), the Mark IV (with specs yet to be seen) or the 5Ds R. I have also just "upgraded" (meaning quality-wise) from the old 16-35mm f/2.8L II to the much newer 16-35mm f/4L IS. Also considering the new 11-24L despite it being f/4 and without a sensible filter-mounting possibility.

There really is too much focus on printing though when it comes to the 5Ds/R. Let's stick with the "R" as I am the landscape type.

For me prints would be secondary although I have also considered to find my own way to arrange my own exhibition, for which print is an essential thing to consider. When it comes to digital though, 4K is right round the corner, and I have already seen 10K videos. So, when speaking of the amount of detail, sharpness and pixels, I am speaking of viewing on future screens as well. Eventually the current size of 5D Mark III (or IV even?) might be too small and I don't want to find myself looking at old photos in the future that could have been much larger. I am not a pixel-geek though. This is a huge dilemma for me.

The level of detail in the 5Ds R is just stunning, something that I would dearly appreciate in my landscape photos, be it print or digital. At the same time I am not so happy about the noize-level, even if I could make do with the ISO range. What I normally do is set up my camera on a tripod, set my intervalometer to somewhere between 2sec-minutes, f/8-f/22, ISO between 100-800 (I don't really take night-sky photos), and that's pretty much it.

What I'd then be looking at is richness of colour, potentially wondering about any noize-issues for long exposures, level of detail and sharpness. I guess I would still fit into the target group of the 5Ds R but it is very early to tell how I'd be better off (all speaking of long exposures and the above settings):

- 5D Mark III with 11-24L
- 5Ds R with 11-24L
- 5Ds R without the 11-24L but with 16-35 f/4L IS
- 5D Mark IV (if not too video-specific but more like an allrounder like the Mark III)

Either way I have a hunch it will be an edgy decision to make.

 

[memoriaphoto]

raised shadows are raised shadows, they do not have the colour and tonality of correctly exposed mid tones.

AMEN to that...

 

[bgoyette]

But I think anyone that really needs 50MP, already has a medium format camera like the 645Z. Do you think all the MF guys are suddenly going to dump their systems and buy a 5DS? No... Not with the results this camera is producing... No way.

As a guy who's been shooting digital medium format (Hasselblad) for the past 10 years, and an owner of two current H bodies and most of the lens lineup, I can tell you that I was on an "unofficial" pre-order list with a major west coast dealer within a few hours of the 5ds R being announced. What you don't seem to know about us MF photographers is that A) we have lots of camera systems B) most of us own as much canon glass as we have MF C) $3900 is a drop in the bucket to us D) $3900 is less than the cost of one mid level lens for us, and E) We would Kill for 50mp in a package that's half the weight, much more durable, shoots 5 frames per second, doesn't make a sound like a toy car crash on every exposure, and has a battery that lasts longer than 2 hours. There's not one of us who would "dump" our medium format systems for this camera. But I''m very sure that a good chunk of us will own this camera sooner rather than later.

....and go take a look at the original samples at I-R -the Canon shots are taken with an obviously compromised lens, and the detail level in the 645z has been significantly sharpened. These cameras are incredibly close in quality.

 

[PureClassA]

Whoa! Hang on, I never said that stuff. Someone else did. You somehow managed to attribute that quote to my name. And given what was said, I'd prefer it not to be ;D

But I think anyone that really needs 50MP, already has a medium format camera like the 645Z. Do you think all the MF guys are suddenly going to dump their systems and buy a 5DS? No... Not with the results this camera is producing... No way.

As a guy who's been shooting digital medium format (Hasselblad) for the past 10 years, and an owner of two current H bodies and most of the lens lineup, I can tell you that I was on an "unofficial" pre-order list with a major west coast dealer within a few hours of the 5ds R being announced. What you don't seem to know about us MF photographers is that A) we have lots of camera systems B) most of us own as much canon glass as we have MF C) $3900 is a drop in the bucket to us D) $3900 is less than the cost of one mid level lens for us, and E) We would Kill for 50mp in a package that's half the weight, much more durable, shoots 5 frames per second, doesn't make a sound like a toy car crash on every exposure, and has a battery that lasts longer than 2 hours. There's not one of us who would "dump" our medium format systems for this camera. But I''m very sure that a good chunk of us will own this camera sooner rather than later.

....and go take a look at the original samples at I-R -the Canon shots are taken with an obviously compromised lens, and the detail level in the 645z has been significantly sharpened. These cameras are incredibly close in quality.