Canon 5Ds-r Martin Parr / Magnum - Just use it on Program Mode !

[sanj]

Tinky.
I respect your posts and posting some photos I found on internet to indicate what is 'high' art photography to ME.

With all due respect, my point is that it is the intent of the creator that makes something high concept or not.
Absolutely not. Intent and result are two very different things. Going by his photos, I think his intent is to create photographs documenting the 'other' side of life. Not creating high art.

Regardless of whether anybody else likes or gets it. True

It's clear from the many interviews with Martin Parr that there is serious considered intent in his work.
I do not doubt that BUT that does not make it high art by any standards.

That is what makes it high art.
No.

The fact that critics, gallerys and collectors opinions tend to back him up is evidence that he has sufficient credence in his intent and output, that informed readers of the text see the intent to be taken seriously...
Sure! To be taken seriously for the photographer he is. Not as a high art photographer.

Whether you like the art or not, whether you or I consider it high concept or not is entirely a moot point.
Not to me and few others.

I guess we will disagree on this....

 

[sanj]

I find myself repeating the same thing on this thread so I think I have nothing more to add.

 

[Tinky]

Word.

 

[krisbell]

2. The second photo is a 'tourist' photo seen dime a dozen. Taken dime a dozen. Slice of life but nothing special.

2. Each to their own. I take it as a comment on islamaphobia. In the west we are increasingly encouraged to view muslims as all being very serious and pious at best, or Isis extremists at worst. This pinpricks that perception. It's actually great fun.

This just about sums up the quandary for me. Like sanj, I have seen plenty of Muslims on the beach so when I first looked at that photo it was a meaningless holiday shot. Having read Tinkys interpretation I can definitely see this aspect. For me this speaks more about the viewer - in this instance whether they have been exposed to much Muslim culture, and whether they strive to seek meaning in a photo. In the case of this photo it requires both those conditions to be met.

I saw similar meaning to Tinky in the other 2, and I understand the interpretation of the second picture, but even still, because it is something I have seen often it is totally meaningless to me. If Parr's intention was how Tinky interprets it, the only meaningful conclusion I can draw is that Tinky and Parr havent been exposed to much Muslim culture outside of western news. This isnt intended as a criticism, but it does show how one photo can be a "comment on Islamaphobia" and "great fun" to one person, while being a dull holiday snap to another - purely due to the life experiences. Aint art interesting!

 

[archiea]

Well this is interesting and as usual, controversial.

Canon Professional Network interview documentary photographer Martin Parr from Magnum about his use of the new 5Ds r and his print workflow.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/martin_parr_lifes_a_beach.do?utm_source=newsletter_august_2_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter

Just use in in Program not Manual Mode, get a wet behind the ears college intern to process all your digital files and then printed them as 10" x 8" for 50p.

LOL, OMG, the guy's from england, the land of squires and pissboys. really are you guys surprised. I've worked for Brits before, some of the hardest working and most talented peeps I've met, but some do like their classicism where they "can't be bothered with the details (Cough: work, technique, craft) and just sit back and put on a show and take credit.

Lean to talk with a brit accent, especially here in the state,s and watch your income go up 30% while working half as hard. ;D

 

[Sporgon]

LOL, OMG, the guy's from england, the land of squires and pissboys. really are you guys surprised. I've worked for Brits before, some of the hardest working and most talented peeps I've met, but some do like their classicism where they "can't be bothered with the details (Cough: work, technique, craft) and just sit back and put on a show and take credit.

Lean to talk with a brit accent, especially here in the state,s and watch your income go up 30% while working half as hard. ;D

Actually the Squire 'class' were completely wiped out to a man in the First World War.

I honestly don't know what a 'pissboy' is.

 

[krisbell]

Well this is interesting and as usual, controversial.

Canon Professional Network interview documentary photographer Martin Parr from Magnum about his use of the new 5Ds r and his print workflow.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/martin_parr_lifes_a_beach.do?utm_source=newsletter_august_2_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletter

Just use in in Program not Manual Mode, get a wet behind the ears college intern to process all your digital files and then printed them as 10" x 8" for 50p.

LOL, OMG, the guy's from england, the land of squires and pissboys. really are you guys surprised. I've worked for Brits before, some of the hardest working and most talented peeps I've met, but some do like their classicism where they "can't be bothered with the details (Cough: work, technique, craft) and just sit back and put on a show and take credit.

Lean to talk with a brit accent, especially here in the state,s and watch your income go up 30% while working half as hard. ;D

I do say old bean, how about you keep your poppycock (racism) to yourself, or I'll set my peasant on you.

On a different note, there do seem to be an abnormally high proportion of Brits partaking in this thread - is it a coincidence that it is also an unusually intellectual, philosophical and well-behaved thread? lol

 

[tolusina]

.......as Martin explains: “I had to choose between Canon and Nikon and I just chose Canon because I liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics and the way it holds.........

Can someone please (try) and explain how 'aerodynamics' applies to cameras??

 

[privatebydesign]

.......as Martin explains: “I had to choose between Canon and Nikon and I just chose Canon because I liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics and the way it holds.........

Can someone please (try) and explain how 'aerodynamics' applies to cameras??

He clearly meant ergonomics, the bigger question is did he use the wrong word with intent, in which case it is artful; the wrong word just slipped out when he meant another, he is suffering possible early signs of dementia; or he doesn't know the meanings or differences between the words, in which case he is stupid.........

 

[Tinky]

.......as Martin explains: “I had to choose between Canon and Nikon and I just chose Canon because I liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics and the way it holds.........

Can someone please (try) and explain how 'aerodynamics' applies to cameras??

How about a bad transcription of say 'ergonomics'... ergo aero nomics dynamics.

Oh to be perfect.

 

[Tinky]

.......as Martin explains: “I had to choose between Canon and Nikon and I just chose Canon because I liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics and the way it holds.........

Can someone please (try) and explain how 'aerodynamics' applies to cameras??

He clearly meant ergonomics, the bigger question is did he use the wrong word with intent, in which case it is artful; the wrong word just slipped out when he meant another, he is suffering possible early signs of dementia; or he doesn't know the meanings or differences between the words, in which case he is stupid.........

Beat me to it Private.

 

[tolusina]

.....He clearly meant ergonomics........

And you know that how?
He 'clearly meant' one thing while saying another? Does this principle apply to anything said by anyone? Any quote of anyone can be interpreted by anyone to mean anything else? You have some insight as to Parr's mind that he did not explicitly express?

Since he 'clearly said' he "....liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics..." pretty much indicates he liked the aerodynamics.
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Back to my question, how does 'aerodynamics' apply to cameras??

 

[Tinky]

.....He clearly meant ergonomics........

And you know that how?
He 'clearly meant' one thing while saying another? Does this principle apply to anything said by anyone? Any quote of anyone can be interpreted by anyone to mean anything else? You have some insight as to Parr's mind that he did not explicitly express?

Since he 'clearly said' he "....liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics..." pretty much indicates he liked the aerodynamics.
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Back to my question, how does 'aerodynamics' apply to cameras??

How do you know he clearly said anything? Were you present during the interview? Could you swear in a court of law that he said anything, and furthermore, said it clearly?

The man is either illiterate, or made a bumble, or something has been lost in translation.

In answer to your question, could the aerodynamics refer to the focal 'plane'.

Thats a little joke, in case it is not abundantly clear.

Don't believe everything you read. Just a wee life lesson you so far seem to have missed.

 

[privatebydesign]

.....He clearly meant ergonomics........

And you know that how?
He 'clearly meant' one thing while saying another? Does this principle apply to anything said by anyone? Any quote of anyone can be interpreted by anyone to mean anything else? You have some insight as to Parr's mind that he did not explicitly express?

Since he 'clearly said' he "....liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics..." pretty much indicates he liked the aerodynamics.
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Back to my question, how does 'aerodynamics' apply to cameras??

It doesn't, you are being a literal idiot. Just like the time you were in denial about the CGI in the Canon ad, even when I found direct quotes from the actual digital artists that created the effects, you still believed I was wrong! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; die of thirst, I don't care.

 

[unfocused]

.....He clearly meant ergonomics........

And you know that how?
He 'clearly meant' one thing while saying another? Does this principle apply to anything said by anyone? Any quote of anyone can be interpreted by anyone to mean anything else? You have some insight as to Parr's mind that he did not explicitly express?

Since he 'clearly said' he "....liked the feel of it in the hand; the aerodynamics..." pretty much indicates he liked the aerodynamics.
---
Back to my question, how does 'aerodynamics' apply to cameras??

It doesn't, you are being a literal idiot. Just like the time you were in denial about the CGI in the Canon ad, even when I found direct quotes from the actual digital artists that created the effects, you still believed I was wrong! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; die of thirst, I don't care.

Given the number of grammatical and other errors I see every day coming out of young reporters (and the fact that most of the media seems to have eliminated editors) I have little doubt that whoever wrote this story for Canon did not understand or comprehend what he actually said.

 

[tolusina]

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How do you know he clearly said anything? Were you present during the interview? Could you swear in a court of law that he said anything, and furthermore, said it clearly?....

Don't believe everything you read. .........

Well then, what parts of the interview deserve credence and how to decide?
Do we accept CPN Europe as a reputable source of photography related information? Or Not? Is it reasonable to assume competent proof reading and corrections?
The interviewer, Steve Fairclough, appears to be British as is Parr, no reason I can think of for any errors in translation even though the interview took place in Paris.

How did a discussion of an interview degenerate into court ordered testimony?

 

[tolusina]

......... you are being a literal idiot.....

Owie owie, calling me names again, not working, I'm not skulking away, not intimidated.

....Just like the time you were in denial about the CGI in the Canon ad, even when I found direct quotes from the actual digital artists that created the effects, you still believed I was wrong! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; die of thirst, I don't care.

Still fuming about that? How long do you carry grudges?
Still confused about depth of field in eyeball reflections?

 

[privatebydesign]

......... you are being a literal idiot.....

Owie owie, calling me names again, not working, I'm not skulking away, not intimidated.

....Just like the time you were in denial about the CGI in the Canon ad, even when I found direct quotes from the actual digital artists that created the effects, you still believed I was wrong! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; die of thirst, I don't care.

Still fuming about that? How long do you carry grudges?
Still confused about depth of field in eyeball reflections?

I wasn't calling you names, I was stating a fact. You might not be an idiot, I don't know you, but you are being a literal idiot to not accept the simplest solution to your conundrum is a pretty simple misquote/misspoken single word. I certainly wasn't trying to intimidate or silence you, listening to your ridiculousness is quite amusing.

I am not fuming about anything, lets not forget I wasn't the one who was wrong and continued to wriggle.

As long as you, you have taken several pops at me since and don't pretend you haven't. I didn't even realise it was you when I replied to your comment initially.

I wasn't confused, you were, you then went into denial and then decided any time I made any kind of comment in a thread you were involved in you would take a cheap shot.

 

[tolusina]

......... you are being a literal idiot.....

Owie owie, calling me names again, not working, I'm not skulking away, not intimidated.

....Just like the time you were in denial about the CGI in the Canon ad, even when I found direct quotes from the actual digital artists that created the effects, you still believed I was wrong! You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink; die of thirst, I don't care.

Still fuming about that? How long do you carry grudges?
Still confused about depth of field in eyeball reflections?

I wasn't calling you names, I was stating a fact. You might not be an idiot, I don't know you, but you are being a literal idiot to not accept the simplest solution to your conundrum is a pretty simple misquote/misspoken single word. I certainly wasn't trying to intimidate or silence you, listening to your ridiculousness is quite amusing.

I am not fuming about anything, lets not forget I wasn't the one who was wrong and continued to wriggle.

As long as you, you have taken several pops at me since and don't pretend you haven't. I didn't even realise it was you when I replied to your comment initially.

I wasn't confused, you were, you then went into denial and then decided any time I made any kind of comment in a thread you were involved in you would take a cheap shot.

Yawn....... so adolescent, and so in denial.
Call me names and call that something else, righto.

 

[Khufu]

This is what happens when people act like it's okay to consider the efforts and thoughts of Martin Parr to be a worthy topic of discussion...