Don Haines said:If I had the money, I'd go with the 600II as well. It seems like you never have a long enough lens....jrista said:candyman said:I would purchase the 200-400 simply because I like the flexibility of zoom. It woul be a wonderful addition on my 70-200
I zoom with my feet. ;-)
I chose the 600 II when I bought a big lens. Would make the same choice today, especially given that it is just as good as the EF 800 f/5.6 with the 1.4x TC attached (840mm f/5.6) and has the option to use the 2x TC for 1200mm f/8.
You can zoom with your feet, but many time you can't because of terrain, water, or common sense (a 24mm lens and a grizzly bear are not a good combination). For those cases you either need a long lens or a bear-proof suit.
https://www.nfb.ca/film/project_grizzly/
tron said:You can also check this:candc said:The point I am making is that I believe the 2 canons are the best but the tamron is very close behind and will give you undiferentiaded results under most conditions so anyone on a budget should take a good look at it.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=929&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=5&API=2&LensComp=113&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=10&APIComp=2
Even a 100-400 L with the 1.4III extender is comparable with Tamron (just a little worse at the center but better at mid-frame and edges...)
Dylan777 said:Thanks for your thoughts guys. The poll shows 50/50, interesting.
Eldar said:To me the question is a bit odd. The 600mm is made for a totally different use than the 200-400. They are both exceptional lenses and outstanding for their use. When going on a trip, where I don´t bring both, it has not been difficult to choose which one to bring.
It would be more difficult to compare the 200-400 with the 300 f2.8L IS II, with the 1.4xIII and 2xIII extenders. The 300 is clearly less flexible, but it is smaller, it gives you exceptional IQ, AF speed and a stop advantage and also very good performance with the extenders. You also have significant money saved for something else.
It´s a substantial cost to get both the 200-400 and the 600, but it would have to be for something really exceptional if I were to part with any of them.
You are not making it easy for Dylan, in fact you will make him want both ... for starters. Then he will have to add the 300mm 2.8L IS II ;Deml58 said:Eldar said:To me the question is a bit odd. The 600mm is made for a totally different use than the 200-400. They are both exceptional lenses and outstanding for their use. When going on a trip, where I don´t bring both, it has not been difficult to choose which one to bring.
It would be more difficult to compare the 200-400 with the 300 f2.8L IS II, with the 1.4xIII and 2xIII extenders. The 300 is clearly less flexible, but it is smaller, it gives you exceptional IQ, AF speed and a stop advantage and also very good performance with the extenders. You also have significant money saved for something else.
It´s a substantial cost to get both the 200-400 and the 600, but it would have to be for something really exceptional if I were to part with any of them.
A agree Eldar, both these Lenses are a substantial investment for most that decide to buy either, or both, and one would imagine a serious amount of thought goes into that decision.
The 600f/4 is not your close in type Lens, it's uses are varied but going on CR and the many fine Images I've seen with the 600 exhibited here, Birders are the Lenses main stream users, followed by people like myself, Wild Life at a distance.
The 200-400f/4 is clearly more your closer in Lens, with the option to go out to 560 albeit at a small light disadvantage with f/5.6, More suited to your Wildlife/Sports Photographer.
If I'm heading to Open Plains style Geography, Serengeti, Mara etc, I would place the 600 +1.4x in the Bag first, the 200-400 second.
If I'm heading to Okavango Delta, South Africa, Timbavati, it's the 200-400 in the bag first with the 300f/2.8 second.
In my own Imaging if I had to choose just one Lens for 90% of my Imaging, it would be the 200-400.
jrista said:Don Haines said:If I had the money, I'd go with the 600II as well. It seems like you never have a long enough lens....jrista said:candyman said:I would purchase the 200-400 simply because I like the flexibility of zoom. It woul be a wonderful addition on my 70-200
I zoom with my feet. ;-)
I chose the 600 II when I bought a big lens. Would make the same choice today, especially given that it is just as good as the EF 800 f/5.6 with the 1.4x TC attached (840mm f/5.6) and has the option to use the 2x TC for 1200mm f/8.
You can zoom with your feet, but many time you can't because of terrain, water, or common sense (a 24mm lens and a grizzly bear are not a good combination). For those cases you either need a long lens or a bear-proof suit.
https://www.nfb.ca/film/project_grizzly/
Indeed. I zoom with my feet while using one of Canon's longest lenses. The longest, when you factor in the 2x TC. My point was that there is no reason to get the 200-400, the 600 is longer in every case, and still just as flexible because, well, you can "zoom" with your feet.![]()
tron said:http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=929&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=5&API=0&LensComp=764&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=5&APIComp=2Dylan777 said:AlanF said:For $1000 instead of $12000, and a fraction of the weight, get the Tamron 150-600mm. Here is it compared at 200mm and 400mm with the Canon 200-400mm.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=929&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=0&LensComp=764&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=929&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=764&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=0
Very funny Alan ;D
At maximum focal length
JonAustin said:I voted for the 200-400, simply because I don't shoot birds (or surfers). But I have no professional use for either of these lenses, and can't justify their prices for my hobby work.
(Somewhat off-topic, but no more so than the Tamron 150-600 posts) I own neither of these lenses (nor anything longer than 200mm, unless I slap in my 1.4x), but am waiting patiently for the successor to the Canon 100-400. Personally, I'm not a fan of zooms with more than a 3x range, and would like to see the 100-400 replaced by a 150- or 200-400 f/4.5-5.6, rather than a 100-400 II.
He he; I told you so Dylan, that when you start on this route, by deciding to go for the 300, it might be a very expensive one. Then you upgraded to the 400/2.8, which, combined with the extenders, is a very flexible and high quality package, with better reach. But then you start thinking about the improved IQ at long reach with the 600 and the option of going all the way to 1200mm. And when you have done that (I assume you willtron said:You are not making it easy for Dylan, in fact you will make him want both ... for starters. Then he will have to add the 300mm 2.8L IS II ;D
candc said:The point I am making is that I believe the 2 canons are the best but the tamron is very close behind and will give you undiferentiaded results under most conditions so anyone on a budget should take a good look at it.
KitsVancouver said:I only shoot birds one a year (eagles) so I don't really need the reach that often. I wanted to take photos of my 5 and 3 year old kids so I got the 200-400. For anything other than birding (and some other niche things), I would think the 600 is too long.
The lenses really are quite different.