Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

[Musouka]

An APS-H body is difficult to position unless Canon came up with a way to make it work with EF-S lenses (and get some pretty good results) so I find that quite unlikely.

why would it be more difficult to position now as opposed to how they have positioned "H" along side "C" since 2003?

Okay, I should have said "an APS-H 7D2 is difficult to position."

The last APS-H (the 1DIII) was targeting a different segment. It was also a $3.5K-$4K body. Granted, if Canon were to release a new APS-H body, it would probably be around $2.5K. However, I think they would be better off with a different model number. Current 7D owners with EF-S glass might expect to keep using it.

Then again, I could be wrong.

 

[briansquibb]

An APS-H body is difficult to position unless Canon came up with a way to make it work with EF-S lenses (and get some pretty good results) so I find that quite unlikely.

why would it be more difficult to position now as opposed to how they have positioned "H" along side "C" since 2003?

Okay, I should have said an "APS-H 7D2 is difficult to position."

The last APS-H (the 1DIII) was targeting a different segment. It was also a $3.5K-$4K body. Granted, if Canon were to release a new APS-H body, it would probably be around $2.5K. However, I think they would be better off with a different model number. Current 7D owners with EF-S glass and might expect to keep using it. Then again, I could be wrong.

The last aps-h is the 1D4 and it is still available.

Personally although the 1DX is stated to replace both the 1D4 and the 1Ds3, I believe the 1DX is only the replacement to the 1D4 leaving room for a high mp model (3D?)

I think the aps-h version of the 7D would have to be called something else - maybe 6D - to show it is a 7D upgrade.

Imagine full blown sports model in a 7D sized body, 10 fps, pro AF, 30 RAW image buffer, and native iso to 25600 which is very clean to 6400. Selling at $2000 it would take the market place by storm.

 

[kdsand]

Some say that the Lock on the 60D is a pain because you have to remember pressing the button when changing modes lest you break the little round thingy.

Obviously I'm not part of "some" because I don't have any issues pressing the lock when rotating on my 60d. Of course it would be easier w/o it, but seeing the complaints of some 5d2/7d users which made even Canon act says me I should be happier with the lock than without it.

However, I can say one thing: To break the lock, you have to have the coordination of a green Hulk just after a transformation or have to have taken the wrong drugs or too much of them.

That a good point.
I may not be green but I have to be careful not to break things like hardened bolts on my Jeeps, yet I can't imagine breaking that switch even intentionally. ???

 

[ramon123]

Earliest would be Photokina 2012 but could be early March 2013 like the 5D Mark III.

 

[!Xabbu]

Yes, this is what makes the speculation (and it is all speculation at this point) interesting. I tend to believe the APS-H really is dead, squeezed out by the ever-shrinking space between APS-C and Full-Frame.

The ratio is still 1.6, 1.3 and 1 between the sensors. The IQ of the 1.6 has not got close to the 1.3 yet - and we know the 1.3 can be developed a lot further. Whether Canon develop the 1.3 is rather more management than a technical decision

There are quite a few Nikon crop sensor cameras, which have the same or better IQ than a 5D II and certainly better than the original 5D. Yes, regarding high ISO noise a bigger sensor with the same technology might still have an edge, but overall crop sensors are getting closer to the IQ of FF. Just look at the image quality of the G1 X, where a lot of people would have said that this IQ is impossible to get from a compact camera (at least a few years ago).

 

[briansquibb]

Yes, regarding high ISO noise a bigger sensor with the same technology might still have an edge, but overall crop sensors are getting closer to the IQ of FF. Just look at the image quality of the G1 X, where a lot of people would have said that this IQ is impossible to get from a compact camera (at least a few years ago).

Closer maybe - but close? Not even in sight for either IQ or noise

 

[Ronnie]

What the EOS 7D mark II needs is AF when taking video, 1080p with 60 fps, 10 fps stills, better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor, flip out screen with an LED screen in stead of the LCD, SD and CF card other wise the same as now.
Canon can that be so difficult?

 

[dlleno]

What the EOS 7D mark II needs is AF when taking video, 1080p with 60 fps, 10 fps stills, better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor, flip out screen with an LED screen in stead of the LCD, SD and CF card other wise the same as now.
Canon can that be so difficult?

"better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor" may be mutually exclusive. Unless here you mean a brand new updated sensor with the same 18mp -- THAT would indeed give some IQ improvement. on the flip screen -- well thats an interesting one. to me it depends on which direction Canon wants to take the 7D. if it moves more towards a premier wildlife body (especially if 1.3 is really dead) then its hard to imagine a flip screen on a weather sealed BIF body. But indeed the flip screen is part of the intrigue here: will it remain part of the xxD line or will it spill over into the 7D.

 

[Dart23]

Would this be possible in a 7d2?
An APS-H with an improved (low light, smaller lens gap) sensor in the 22-24mp range. It can also accept EF-S lenses, but then the sensor capture is scaled back to 1.6 crop at 18mp or so.
Yes - constant AF for video too...

 

[KeithR]

Closer maybe - but close? Not even in sight for either IQ or noise

Stiull not true, no matter how many times you say it - the 7D is already better than quite a few FF bodies that have gone before: it's surely better than the 5D, is as close to the 5D Mk II as makes no appreciable difference whatsoever, and knocks the older FF pro bodies out of the ring.

 

[dlleno]

Would this be possible in a 7d2?
An APS-H with an improved (low light, smaller lens gap) sensor in the 22-24mp range. It can also accept EF-S lenses, but then the sensor capture is scaled back to 1.6 crop at 18mp or so.
Yes - constant AF for video too...

well .... first of all it would require 27mp at the APS-H size to crop down to 18mp at the APS-C size. But perhaps more importantly, APS-H has never been compatible with lenses made for APS-C, and if you arbitrarily crop a 1.3x sensor to 1.6x size "in camera" then there is no benefit to the 1.3 and you might as well put a cheeper APS-C sensor in there. Sadly the market will probably demand 24mp in the next 1.6x 7D which will probabaly swamp the ISO gains that would have been attained with new sensor technology. Thats pretty amazing pixel density, equivalent to to over 60mp in a FF

 

[briansquibb]

Closer maybe - but close? Not even in sight for either IQ or noise

Stiull not true, no matter how many times you say it - the 7D is already better than quite a few FF bodies that have gone before: it's surely better than the 5D, is as close to the 5D Mk II as makes no appreciable difference whatsoever, and knocks the older FF pro bodies out of the ring.

Sure I am sure the 7D is better than the 1DS - but the 1Ds3, 1Dx and the 5DIII are out of sight of the 7D

 

[iaind]

If they brought out a 7dII with a crop sensor approx 24-28mb and specs equal to 5dIII for $500 less would you buy it?

 

[briansquibb]

If they brought out a 7dII with a crop sensor approx 24-28mb and specs equal to 5dIII for $500 less would you buy it?

If the IQ was good enough - then sure as I am not wedded to a technology. It would make a good sports camera if it managed 10+fps

 

[Ronnie]

What the EOS 7D mark II needs is AF when taking video, 1080p with 60 fps, 10 fps stills, better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor, flip out screen with an LED screen in stead of the LCD, SD and CF card other wise the same as now.
Canon can that be so difficult?




"better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor" may be mutually exclusive. Unless here you mean a brand new updated sensor with the same 18mp -- THAT would indeed give some IQ improvement. on the flip screen -- well thats an interesting one. to me it depends on which direction Canon wants to take the 7D. if it moves more towards a premier wildlife body (especially if 1.3 is really dead) then its hard to imagine a flip screen on a weather sealed BIF body. But indeed the flip screen is part of the intrigue here: will it remain part of the xxD line or will it spill over into the 7D.

Yes off cause. Your are right. We need at brand new sensor. But we DONT need more MP. And the technnology is so sofisticated now a days, that you can make af crop sensor with 18MP with a LOT BETTER IQ and ISO performance. And that's what we need, not just more MP! And AF while takning movie ! !

 

[dlleno]

assuming that the trade-offs between IQ and MPs remain as they did when the 18MP 1.6x sensor was made, and assuming the advances in technology have in fact improved the IQ/MP relationship itself -- AND assuming that the 7D successor is positioned as an advanced wildlife body capable of high quality large prints, then I would agree that the better choice for 7D2 would be to improve IQ and hold MP constant.

But what is good for me may not be good for Canon. If Canon can acheive a measureable improvement in IQ AND increase MPs at the same time, AND if the market demands a high MP wildlife body, then they will do it. Sadly, even with this positioning I suspect the market will deem increases in MP more important than increases in IQ (witness the crop body evolution, where MP wars are waged). But if Canon positions the 7D2 as an IQ wildlife body, and can appeal to those who know and understand the IQ/MP tradeoffs, and can separate it from the xxD/Rebel pack, then yes I can see them producing a new 18mp 1.6x sensor with game-changing IQ. that would be cool

much depends on the 1.3x sensor, something which the owner of this site and this board believes is dead. If it is really dead, then there is room imho for such a 7D2. However, if 1.3x stays alive as some re-incarnation and enhancement of the 1D4, then I suspect 7D2 will take more of the MP route

 

[!Xabbu]

What the EOS 7D mark II needs is AF when taking video, 1080p with 60 fps, 10 fps stills, better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor, flip out screen with an LED screen in stead of the LCD, SD and CF card other wise the same as now.
Canon can that be so difficult?

Why AF while taking video? I think Canon already produces enough cameras for the video community, but doesn't really improve anything on the still side. They should start concentrating on photography again. I feel like a hugely improved APS-C sensor (maybe even with less pixels), Digig V or V+ processors and the flip out screen would be great steps forward.

I also read that quite some people ask for a gripped body. I have to disagree with that. Not everyone wants to carry around a brick and if you want to, you can buy the grip as an accessory or get a 1D body from the get go.

As to the 1.3 crop sensor - I see the huge drawback that there are no UWA lenses for that kind of sensor, which would make it only interesting for a very specific clientele. The 7D currently appeals to a very wide customer base, which is one of the reasons for it's success.

 

[dlleno]

[As to the 1.3 crop sensor - I see the huge drawback that there are no UWA lenses for that kind of sensor, which would make it only interesting for a very specific clientele. The 7D currently appeals to a very wide customer base, which is one of the reasons for it's success.

that is a great point, and evidence that 1.3 may be going away. I can't see Canon re-designing a1.3 body to accept the "C" lenses, but I guess they know more than I do!

Also agreed on the grip body -- 7D2 should (imho) have and accessory grip as a choice.

high IQ 18mp dual digic-V+ 10fps 30 frame buffer, the best BIF AF system known to man, 1.3x crop sensor, weather sealing, grip option.. (well we can dream can't we). updated high-end EF-S lenses with more rugged internals and weather sealing to compliment... etc.

and it should optimize stills photography

 

[kdsand]

What the EOS 7D mark II needs is AF when taking video, 1080p with 60 fps, 10 fps stills, better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor, flip out screen with an LED screen in stead of the LCD, SD and CF card other wise the same as now.
Canon can that be so difficult?




"better IQ and ISO with the same MP crop sensor" may be mutually exclusive. Unless here you mean a brand new updated sensor with the same 18mp -- THAT would indeed give some IQ improvement. on the flip screen -- well thats an interesting one. to me it depends on which direction Canon wants to take the 7D. if it moves more towards a premier wildlife body (especially if 1.3 is really dead) then its hard to imagine a flip screen on a weather sealed BIF body. But indeed the flip screen is part of the intrigue here: will it remain part of the xxD line or will it spill over into the 7D.

Yes off cause. Your are right. We need at brand new sensor. But we DONT need more MP. And the technnology is so sofisticated now a days, that you can make af crop sensor with 18MP with a LOT BETTER IQ and ISO performance. And that's what we need, not just more MP! And AF while takning movie ! !

As far as I can tell the 1 thing that is a necessity for Canon is a new paragon crop sensor. The trickle down has proven so effective I have to imagine Canon replicating the scenario. If Canon can market a crop sensor and get awesome sales for a couple years and then release it in 3 or 4 other bodies & still get good sales wow that's all gravy ( a very high return ) . There will indeed in all likelihood be some increase in megapixels in order to suitabley impress the mass market :.

In order to stay (dominant) in its niche the 7Ds successor will need some improvement in the IQ and AF and so most likely it will sport two of the new processors.

Regarding the screen - perhaps it will swing - though I do not see it as being a necessity. Why though is there doubt about it being able to be weather sealed adequately? A durable weather resistant screen is actually 1 of the simpler things to implement.

Video functionalty seems to be fast approaching the point where the drawbacks surpass the advantages. Fine fine fine Canon throw in the videography but to do not negatively impact my photography!

 

[briansquibb]

As a sports camera, for the aps-h an ultra wa lens is a bit redundant methinks - not really an indication of its demise. The strength of the crop is the extra reach - reach that the ff cannot match.