Canon Announces the EOS T5i

[J.R.]

Yeah, right - incredible iq from this sensor (in comparison to a mobile phone?), crisp/detailed images with a kit lens and shooting in low-light on crop (with tripod?) ... the Canon marketing guys are about to be hit by lightning.

Unlikely ... or else they would already have been struck by lightning for royally screwing up the AF on the 6D.

Huh?

All the field reports I've heard of the 6D suggests that it actually has quite remarkable autofocus performance, including that it focusses better in very dim light than any other camera ever made.

Sure, it doesn't have as many points. And, yes -- of course! -- it doesn't perform as well as Canon's top-of-the-line cameras like the 1Dx and 5DIII. But it would seem to have the best autofocus of any midrange camera ever made.

If that's a royal screwup, I sure wish I could screw up that royally more often....

b&

1 x type AF points looks like a royal screw up when the crop bodies are coming up with more x type Af Points. But then, maybe I am spoilt with the 5d3.

Point is, the 6D shouldn't have been crippled to such a great extent. What was preventing Canon from putting in a 7D sort of AF system is anyone's guess. It has been done on purpose and I don't see how anyone can defend that.

The low light AF is indeed a nice feature but then ... Could have been waaaay better!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Canon is milking the cow.

I said they were heading down this road as far back as 2007 and that everyone needed to make their voices heard full force now rather than later before thing got entrenched and everyone called me a ridiculous troll for suggesting such an absurd thing. ;D I still recall the Canon exec going on, more or less (not quite direct quotes ) about how Canon was infinitely ahead of Nikon for FF sensors and it might be a decade before they could even release one and they scoffed at the need to produce fast or different FF bodies and said they were the supreme kings and could sit upon the hill and laugh and milk their product lines for all they were worth.

That said they have still done some good stuff too. And lots of nice lenses certainly. They have made some of their best lenses ever the last half decade.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

What I don't understand is why everyone is so quiet about the Powershot 280 they released at the same time.... it kicks ass for a p/s.... better processor than the rebels, way more movie modes, a 20x zoom in a tiny package... GPS.... WiFi..... seriously kicks Rebel butt in so many ways!

If they put some of those features into a Rebel it would be a game changer.

It does sound interesting. This is primarily a DSLR message board though.

 

[dstppy]

MFA? No, never on a rebel, we've established that.

Meanwhile Nikon does do it on their "Rebel".

And meanwhile again, Canon actually pulls the feature from the xxD line...

So sorry if it agitates you that I remind them of how stupid their idea is...

You should switch to Nikon and only get only 1 MFA number for $2700

Are the T4i and T5i bodies exactly the same??

It looks like the SL1 might be positioned to take over the Rebel line. If the SL1 sells well, I wouldn't be surprised if all future Rebels are sized like the SL1.

+1.....Clearly, canon is loossing in mirrorless market, therefore, they are forced to release small size DSRL. Both Sony and Fuji will cont to take BIGGER bite in this market. I started with Canon and DO NOT wish to switch to another brands.

My 2cents: Sony will soon releases FF mirrorless with exchangable lenses, and here canon releases :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( As an owner of Sony RX1, I enjoy this camera SO MUCH. Sony did it, where is CANON??????????????????????

Above and beyond what was necessary in to convey your thoughts, you you realize exactly how many extra ones and zeros had to die for this post? Don't you know there are people in China who don't have internet and you're wasting ones and zeros? ;D

 

[RGomezPhotos]

Disappointing. I wouldn't be surprised if all Canon did was was update the software on the t4i and slap the new badge on it. And what's with this reluctance to have built-in WiFi?

When I was deciding on my first DSLR, I was considering the t2i. I think Rebels are incredible cameras and they are usually well received well in the press. However, this is an embarrassing 'update'. WiFi should be standard on ALL Canon DSLR's by now. A real update to a Rebel would've been:

* Built-In WiFi.
* 2 more FPS
* An extra stop in ISO performance.

You can only do so much for a consumer DSLR to keep costs manageable. But I don't think my specs are too much.

I think Canon released this 'new' Rebel so there wouldn't be much time between a Rebel release and the next one with the DIGIC 6 processor. While an embarrassing update, I think the t6i will be VERY nice. I hope.

 

[dmbibeault2006]

Just what the world needs - another rebel!

 

[Marsu42]

All the field reports I've heard of the 6D suggests that it actually has quite remarkable autofocus performance, including that it focusses better in very dim light than any other camera ever made.

The 6d isn't for action shooting, but even for stills Canon should have made *all* point cross, as it is it's a slight update of the mediocre 5d2 af system: still *no* (zero, 0) real cross point af f2.8 and the 6d cannot use the enhanced precision of Canon latest lenses (70-300L, 24-70ii, ...). On the outer points the new Rebel will be better than the 6d and even has a larger af coverage.

 

[skitron]

You should switch to Nikon and only get only 1 MFA number for $2700

Why would I do that? My 5D3 and my L lenses are great.

But it would be nice to be able to buy a compact/lightweight body from Canon for travel that could do something other than mount fast L glass and take an OOF picture.

The point is, adding AFMA wouldn't canibalize their upper product sales, and in my case it would actually induce me to buy one. So why go to the effort of disabling it from their firmware codebase for this camera? Its a stupid idea to not have it.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

A real update to a Rebel would've been:

* Built-In WiFi.

absolutely!

* 2 more FPS

that's probably the 70D although maybe they could add 1

* An extra stop in ISO performance.

not easy to do, cams are already so good for SNR
for DR yeah they coudl easily add not just one but even 3 stops at low ISO and some more high ISO DR too

not sure why they bothered, either add that stuff or don't waste time on the t5i.

 

[Dylan777]

MFA? No, never on a rebel, we've established that.

Meanwhile Nikon does do it on their "Rebel".

And meanwhile again, Canon actually pulls the feature from the xxD line...

So sorry if it agitates you that I remind them of how stupid their idea is...

You should switch to Nikon and only get only 1 MFA number for $2700

Are the T4i and T5i bodies exactly the same??

It looks like the SL1 might be positioned to take over the Rebel line. If the SL1 sells well, I wouldn't be surprised if all future Rebels are sized like the SL1.

+1.....Clearly, canon is loossing in mirrorless market, therefore, they are forced to release small size DSRL. Both Sony and Fuji will cont to take BIGGER bite in this market. I started with Canon and DO NOT wish to switch to another brands.

My 2cents: Sony will soon releases FF mirrorless with exchangable lenses, and here canon releases :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( As an owner of Sony RX1, I enjoy this camera SO MUCH. Sony did it, where is CANON??????????????????????

Above and beyond what was necessary in to convey your thoughts, you you realize exactly how many extra ones and zeros had to die for this post? Don't you know there are people in China who don't have internet and you're wasting ones and zeros? ;D

We have 6 contract manufacturers(CM) in China - from Dongguan to Beijing. I visit them 5-6 times per year. Do you really want me to answer your questions? I do have question for you dstppy, when was the last time you in China? They are not the same anymore ;D

Here are some pictures I took from last trip to China & HongKong Jan 2013.
http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/UYeiZxIK/1/5940288

 

[wickidwombat]

MFA? No, never on a rebel, we've established that.

Meanwhile Nikon does do it on their "Rebel".

And meanwhile again, Canon actually pulls the feature from the xxD line...

So sorry if it agitates you that I remind them of how stupid their idea is...

You should switch to Nikon and only get only 1 MFA number for $2700

Are the T4i and T5i bodies exactly the same??

It looks like the SL1 might be positioned to take over the Rebel line. If the SL1 sells well, I wouldn't be surprised if all future Rebels are sized like the SL1.

+1.....Clearly, canon is loossing in mirrorless market, therefore, they are forced to release small size DSRL. Both Sony and Fuji will cont to take BIGGER bite in this market. I started with Canon and DO NOT wish to switch to another brands.

My 2cents: Sony will soon releases FF mirrorless with exchangable lenses, and here canon releases :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( As an owner of Sony RX1, I enjoy this camera SO MUCH. Sony did it, where is CANON??????????????????????

Above and beyond what was necessary in to convey your thoughts, you you realize exactly how many extra ones and zeros had to die for this post? Don't you know there are people in China who don't have internet and you're wasting ones and zeros? ;D

We have 6 contract manufacturers(CM) in China - from Dongguan to Beijing. I visit them 5-6 times per year. Do you really want me to answer your questions? I do have question for you dstppy, when was the last time you in China? They are not the same anymore ;D

Here are some pictures I took from last trip to China & HongKong Jan 2013.
http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/UYeiZxIK/1/5940288

i lived in china in 2006 and way back then I could get internet over GPRS mobile which cost 100RMB per year for unlimited data with coverage in even the most remote regions

I go back all the time in fact i really should book a trip back for this year, I love the place, the people. its amazing to see how fast its advancing.

Its also interesting to note that while china still trots out poor quality cheap knock offs they also have some extremely high tech high quality manufacturing facilities that make top shelf stuff

 

[Vagabondman]

I don't know who is gonna buy the T5i when the T4i is EXACTLY the same and so is the new SL1(which is smaller) and both are like $150 cheaper than the T5i. Canon should have put GPS & wifi in it....THAT would have made it stand out and worthy of paying up IMHO. But whatever. What do I know? I'm just a consumer. Lol

 

[Krob78]

With 5.0 fps Continuous Shooting and a 9-Point All Cross-Type AF System, it's quite obvious that this new release was aimed directly at soccer Moms... Am I the only one that sees that? They'll sell tons of them to all the noobs coming off $150 P&S cameras that think it's the best thing since sliced bread at $749 and they will absolutely love it!

Now let's get moving with the 7D MK II, that will be fun! ;D

 

[Krob78]

I don't know who is gonna buy the T5i when the T4i is EXACTLY the same and so is the new SL1(which is smaller) and both are like $150 cheaper than the T5i. Canon should have put GPS & wifi in it....THAT would have made it stand out and worthy of paying up IMHO. But whatever. What do I know? I'm just a consumer. Lol

Regardless of it being the same or not, tons of people will run out and grab it because it's the newest, period. For many of them, newest means; latest and greatest... it will be 1000 times better than their $150 p&S and they will love it... no doubt about it!

 

[Vagabondman]

Oh I hear ya. Of course people will go out and buy it cause its new. But the educated consumers will nab the T4i's on sale, cause they KNOW they are the SAME thing! This literally was a non-update. Period. Not complaining, just stating a fact.

 

[iP337]

While I'm still disappointed about this release I have slept on it now and had some thoughts about the T5i.

This is obviously the same camera as the T4i which is a serious problem for Canon and their retailers; even the "uneducated masses" I keep hearing about will ask a bestbuy or Canon salesman "what's the difference?" and thanks to all of us the word will get out around the internet that the 700D/T5i is for idiots and if there is one thing on the mind of someone buying something they don't completely understand it's "I don't want to look like an idiot".

So Canon will obviously have to do something about this, and since the 700D/T5i's update seems to be software only I suspect that Canon will stop making firmware updates for the 650D/T4i. So I wouldn't be surprised if Canon has given(or eventually gives) the 700D/T5i the "clean" 1080i60 uncompressed 4:2:2 HDMI out that is promised to the 5DIII in April (via a firmware update). I mean this is currently in all of Nikon's low-end cameras and they obviously feel the pressure to compete with this feature if they are willing to add it to a firmware update for the 5DIII.

This will probably be the big selling point difference between the two models, which isn't good news for photo guys but kinda helpful to video guys looking for a cheap B-Cam with decent video quality options. Either way, Canon is screwing us by charging for firmware updates now and it's the price of a new camera none the less!

 

[killerBEEcamaro]

They should have named it the T4i mark II ;D

 

[Krob78]

They should have named it the T4i mark II ;D

+1

 

[verysimplejason]

They should have named it the T4i mark II ;D

+1

Nope. In 5D to 5D2, the change is quite remarkable (MP, video, 14-bits, etc...). Even 1d to 1d2 to 1d3 to 1d4, they've got nice improvements. They should just named it T4i with new firmware update.

 

[AshleyAshes]

Has anyone noticed that DPReview's overview of the camera lists MJPEG support?

Typo, error, or does the T5i/700D actually support MJPEG for video?