Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

[benkam]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

Again, count me among those interested.

Could replace swapping between the 24 STM and 50 STM -- and, unlike those two, it has IS! 2.8 is fine and the macro is a nice bonus. As expected, notably smaller and lighter than the EF 35 f2 IS. Could be a really good little walkaround prime.

Won't be for everybody but I for one welcome its addition as an EF-S lens option.

 

[Talys]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

Absolutely touching the camera to take a picture is a bad idea, but isn't there an option to just "touch to focus" and then use the remote release?

Yeah, there is touch focus without shutter. If you're not on a tripod, it doesn't make a lot of sense, though, because as Ashanford pointed out, working depth of field is often teenie tiny with macro, so if you touch to focus, then move your hand over to the shutter release... you're probably out of focus or focused on the wrong thing.

But really, that's the crux of it with macro. Focus and working with DOF is so important that manually adjusting focus is pretty much a requirement for me, personally. Regardless of handheld or tripod, I am usually very picky about where/what I use to focus.

 

[illadvisedhammer]

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No. The picture above from AJ is not the lens that is about to be released. Recently the EOS M platform got the EF-M 28mm f/3.5 IS Macro STM and it had integral illumination like this. That's the picture AJ shared.

AJ was simply presuming that the same sort of setup will happen with this new EF-S lens, and I think (in broad strokes) that it's a fair presumption. It will be a little different up front I'm sure; we already see a bayonet hood attachment for the new EF-S design (see first picture at top of thread), which would be a little different than the EF-M verison.

- A
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I don't think it's a bayonet hood attachment (though it certainly could be). I thought it was the holder for the MR-14 or MT-24 flashes. Which is great, though I'm not sure there is enough room even with clever diffusers. Maybe.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

In my opinion, if the specifications are correct, this can be one of the most useless lenses Canon ever created.
Okay, it's a 1:1 macro. But if the MFD is 13 cm it's only good for flowers. There's no way you can get this close to any beetle, not to mention butterflies (!), unless they're dead. But who wants to take photos of dead beetles? Me not!
It's even worse that it has STM :'( motor so it does not support real FTM. :'( When I take macro photos, I try to focus before I turn the camera on and only turn it on if both the focus and the composition seems to be ok for me. Witn an STM (focus-by-wire) lens this is impossible.
And I really don't get it. :-[ What makes people think that macro means that you have to or want to put the lens into the subject's mouth? :-\ A telephoto macro (between 250 and 300 mm) with 1:1 magnification and about 0.75 to 1 meter MFD would be more useful for beetles, butterflies, lizards and many spiders.
So this is another lens I won't buy ever.

You can't have done much macro photography... what makes you think you can't get close to beetles? You don't *have* to shoot at MFD of course, but a moderately wide angle lens with close focus allows for environmental macros, where the background is part of the shot. But you're too closed minded to see the creative possibilities, it seems. Anyhow, as stated above, it's more likely this is more aimed at food photography and the like.

Incidentally, AF macro photography is possible and can work well, but it's not for everyone.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

How many of you guys with access to DPAF have been trying it on Macro work?

If you can just touch the screen to get the focus point you want then manual focus should be mostly obsolete, and now that we have Rebels with DPAF it makes more sense to use focus by wire on an EF-S lens.
(Which is not to say that everyone has DPAF, but there's your sales pitch for a new body, hopefully the SL2 doesn't cost as much as the 800D.)

Disagree. I've never tried Macro with DPAF, but I'm not sure I need to. AF simply isn't ideal for 'classic' macro applications (bugs / flowers) as:

1) Your working DOF at macro distances is miniscule and you want to carefully fine tune what is in / out of focus.

2) The size of an AF box is often far larger than the head of the bug, the tip of the flower's pistil, etc. so there's no guarantee the AF won't whiff on what you care about.

3) S--- moves in the wind, and that can render your AF useless for up-close work. It's often best to shoot MF and nail down your focal plane and wait for the wind to subside.

- A

I respectfully disagree. I do a lot of macro (and I mean including true macro) photography with the 100L and it's mostly handheld, using AF. It is possible, you just have to approach it right. Indeed, AF can keep a subject in windy conditions in focus more consistently than using MF (but it's generally best to wait until it's fairly calm to do exacting closeups).

 

[rrcphoto]

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When I take macro photos, I try to focus before I turn the camera on and only turn it on if both the focus and the composition seems to be ok for me.

god knows what on earth you'd do that...

not to mention any modern canon camera, you don't have a viewfinder display, nor liveview.

here's a thought though. maybe the lens isn't made for you.

You DO know there's around 50+ million canon users out there?

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

as stated above, it's more likely this is more aimed at food photography and the like.

Incidentally, AF macro photography is possible and can work well, but it's not for everyone.

food and product photography for sure.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

I respectfully disagree. I do a lot of macro (and I mean including true macro) photography with the 100L and it's mostly handheld, using AF. It is possible, you just have to approach it right. Indeed, AF can keep a subject in windy conditions in focus more consistently than using MF (but it's generally best to wait until it's fairly calm to do exacting closeups).

AF is not all bad for macro -- I shoot AF for macro at times. For 'driveby' / handheld / quick work -- say, spotting a flower on a hike and you don't want to fall behind your group -- it's gold, yes. It all depends on how much time you have to shoot.

But I stand by the size of AF points vs. the the small details you are aiming at with 1:1 work -- the boxes are bigger than the 'subject' you want to focus on and though you may get lucky with a few goes of the AF, you will more consistently nail what you want with a tripod + MF + 10x Liveview.

Even in my driveby work, I'm often spamming the shutter button to take 5-6 tries of nailing what I want and hoping one of them is dead on. Tripod + MF effectively takes that risk of a whiff off the table.

- A

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

No. The picture above from AJ is not the lens that is about to be released. Recently the EOS M platform got the EF-M 28mm f/3.5 IS Macro STM and it had integral illumination like this. That's the picture AJ shared.

AJ was simply presuming that the same sort of setup will happen with this new EF-S lens, and I think (in broad strokes) that it's a fair presumption. It will be a little different up front I'm sure; we already see a bayonet hood attachment for the new EF-S design (see first picture at top of thread), which would be a little different than the EF-M verison.

I don't think it's a bayonet hood attachment (though it certainly could be). I thought it was the holder for the MR-14 or MT-24 flashes. Which is great, though I'm not sure there is enough room even with clever diffusers. Maybe.

Agreed - that's the macro flash mounting ring. Likely a threaded hood attachment, and possibly like the M28 where the hood is 'required' to mount a filter (in the M28's case, there aren't commonly filters as small as the hood threading), and the hood precludes using the built-in light.

 

[Don Haines]

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I respectfully disagree. I do a lot of macro (and I mean including true macro) photography with the 100L and it's mostly handheld, using AF. It is possible, you just have to approach it right. Indeed, AF can keep a subject in windy conditions in focus more consistently than using MF (but it's generally best to wait until it's fairly calm to do exacting closeups).

AF is not all bad for macro -- I shoot AF for macro at times. For 'driveby' / handheld / quick work -- say, spotting a flower on a hike and you don't want to fall behind your group -- it's gold, yes. It all depends on how much time you have to shoot.

But I stand by the size of AF points vs. the the small details you are aiming at with 1:1 work -- the boxes are bigger than the 'subject' you want to focus on and though you may get lucky with a few goes of the AF, you will more consistently nail what you want with a tripod + MF + 10x Liveview.

Even in my driveby work, I'm often spamming the shutter button to take 5-6 tries of nailing what I want and hoping one of them is dead on. Tripod + MF effectively takes that risk of a whiff off the table.

- A

I agree with Ahsanford that using a tripod (at least for me) and manual focus is the best way to go..... but to be fair, I found that AF works great on handheld shots. I usually select the pattern with the central AF point and the 4 helper points... I also found that the AF on the 100L worked significantly better than on the 100..... certainly well enough to catch a moving target....

 

[[email protected]]

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I bought into the M camera system *solely* because of that 28mm macro lens with the lights. Rather than carry my backup body with the 100L while hiking, the new system took off a couple pounds of equipment.

It has been a fun little foray into the mirrorless segment. In a revision or two, I think the electronic viewfinder will be difficult to discern from an optical viewfinder, but for now, I do miss my 5D4 when shooting the M5. There are just moments of lag that I find frustrating. I do wish the 5D4 would accept input for focus point movement via the touchscreen, like the M5 does. That's pretty slick.

Now that this 35 is coming out, I'll sell the M5 and macro lens. It's a great little rig, but I'll save even more pounds just carrying around that little 35.

For those of us running around doing opportunistic macro while walking in the woods, it's just the thing.

 

[Woody]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

You can't have done much macro photography... what makes you think you can't get close to beetles? You don't *have* to shoot at MFD of course, but a moderately wide angle lens with close focus allows for environmental macros, where the background is part of the shot. But you're too closed minded to see the creative possibilities, it seems. Anyhow, as stated above, it's more likely this is more aimed at food photography and the like.

Incidentally, AF macro photography is possible and can work well, but it's not for everyone.

Agreed. Incidentally, all my macro photos are taken with AF. I just take multiple shots since film is free.

 

[Woody]

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In a revision or two, I think the electronic viewfinder will be difficult to discern from an optical viewfinder, but for now, I do miss my 5D4 when shooting the M5. There are just moments of lag that I find frustrating. I do wish the 5D4 would accept input for focus point movement via the touchscreen, like the M5 does. That's pretty slick.

Now that this 35 is coming out, I'll sell the M5 and macro lens. It's a great little rig, but I'll save even more pounds just carrying around that little 35.

The 35 macro is for EF-S bodies only. You won't be able to mount it on the 5D4. So you'll still need a back-up like the 77D or SL2 (when it comes out). There is no weight advantage compared to your M5 + EF-M 28 mm jig, but the 77D/SL2 are equipped with OVF.

 

[Chaitanya]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

Here is one more image posted today.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

"Lens construction: 6 10 sheets group"

DO elements?

What would make you think that?

What do they mean by 6 10 sheets group? Could a sheet be a DO element?

The translation from Japanese always lists sheets. I read it as 10 elements in 6 groups. Nothing to do with DO.

 

[mb66energy]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

While this is an interesting lens for macro + walk around it lacks some features I like on the
EF-S 60 or the EF macro lenses:
no distance scale - no prefocusing, no focusing in extreme low light (scientific photography)
no manual focusing without power on - no power efficient method to preview what you are doing
no filter mount without lens hood - no protection of the front lens without bulky lens hood ... + filter between lights and object.

But for APS-C users a very good alternative to the 2.8 40 STM because it has macro capability
and the built in light for the true macro range.

The built in light is very attractive but I like my EF-S 60 - so I have to design and print a lens hood with built in lights

 

[Berowne]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

This seems to be a very "conservative" lens, nothing Special, a low Speed Prime with medium focal length. Therefor I am pretty interested in the specs and especially what Roger Cialla will say about it (OLAF-measurements). Perhaps we see a new Generation of Resolution for future Crop-Sensors with more than 24 MP?

 

[Steve Balcombe]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

This seems to be a very "conservative" lens, nothing Special, a low Speed Prime with medium focal length.

No, it's a macro lens. F/2.8 is not slow for a macro lens, and 35 mm is short for a macro lens even on a crop body.

If you don't want a macro lens, look elsewhere, but if you do it will be very attractive to some.

 

[scyrene]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

I respectfully disagree. I do a lot of macro (and I mean including true macro) photography with the 100L and it's mostly handheld, using AF. It is possible, you just have to approach it right. Indeed, AF can keep a subject in windy conditions in focus more consistently than using MF (but it's generally best to wait until it's fairly calm to do exacting closeups).

AF is not all bad for macro -- I shoot AF for macro at times. For 'driveby' / handheld / quick work -- say, spotting a flower on a hike and you don't want to fall behind your group -- it's gold, yes. It all depends on how much time you have to shoot.

But I stand by the size of AF points vs. the the small details you are aiming at with 1:1 work -- the boxes are bigger than the 'subject' you want to focus on and though you may get lucky with a few goes of the AF, you will more consistently nail what you want with a tripod + MF + 10x Liveview.

Even in my driveby work, I'm often spamming the shutter button to take 5-6 tries of nailing what I want and hoping one of them is dead on. Tripod + MF effectively takes that risk of a whiff off the table.

- A

Hmm, I tend to take multiples of every shot, regardless of the type/method. AF is imperfect as you say, but it's often imperfect in a predictable way. That the subject (or the part you want in focus) may be smaller than the AF point is a potential pitfall in normal shooting too - e.g. a bird's eye. In macro work, it can be worthwhile selecting multiple AF points, either for handheld focus stacks, or to give the AF as much opportunity as possible to find the precise focus you want.

I find tripods just far too cumbersome and awkward for most real-world shooting, but I appreciate I'm in a minority there. If we're talking about flowers bobbing about in the breeze, or any creature that moves, then the time and fineness of setting up a camera on a tripod and magnifying Live View is redundant if the subject has already moved out of the focal plane - but I accept it must work for those who swear by the method. Anyhow, that there are different ways of achieving the same results can only be a good thing.

Back to this lens, I see the naysayers are still out in force.

 

[AvTvM]

Re: Canon EF-S 35mm f/2.8 Macro IS STM Images & Specs Leak Out

Don't understand why Canon decided to launch this specific lens.

Macro use:
* for living critters, way too little working distance
* for flowers and "food photography" ... 1:1 macro lens not needed, what for? To stick it into the heap of spaghetti on your plate 3cm away ... or what?
* an EF-S 60 Mk. II with built in LED lighting up front would have been more useful.

For "general photography", an EF-S 35/1.8 STM would have been more useful, since f/2.8 is already well covered by good, small and cheap pancake EF 40/2.8.