Canon EOS-1D X Delays [CR2]
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Dylan777 said:
Even on release people will still say it. Mainly on DPreview though where all the point and shooters go.
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For anyone worried that the life of the 1D X won't be longer because it will run through its 400,000 actuations super fast, there is a custom setting that enables one to adjust the shooting speed. This is one feature that I made careful to verify before ordering my 1D X. I would hate to be stuck shooting ONLY at 12 fps or 3 fps. Thankfully, it can be set anywhere in between as well.
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Seems like the first cameras are "hand built" and must be returned to Canon! They apparently hope to have production running in time for the Soccer and Olympics, and by handing out "pre-production" units allows the user to get to know the cams.
BTW story goes that one of these pre-production cameras has been stolen from a car in Stockholm, so if you are offered to buy a 1Dx beware
I'm sure we will see a lot of pics coming the next few weeks...
/Simpleton
BTW story goes that one of these pre-production cameras has been stolen from a car in Stockholm, so if you are offered to buy a 1Dx beware
I'm sure we will see a lot of pics coming the next few weeks...
/Simpleton
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I updated the post to correct the "8 months" thing. That was an oversight on my part and I thought about it this AM. Sorry about that.
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simonxu11 said:
That makes sense and is something they might really have discovered only after the camera was built, while the f8 af and red af points is broken by design. If it's only a long term qc problem, that would be also the reason why they can hand out 1dx bodies now but want to have them back after some time of usage.
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Meantime, here we are on May 31, and still no 5D3 battery grip in hand or firmware update either.
Something is amiss. I canceled my 1Dx pre-order an hour ago. After using the 5D3 to shoot the US Nationals Cycling Championships over the weekend, I figured there was no need to be on the bleeding edge nor be in a long line waiting for the 1Dx and not getting one until the late fall as it looks when the 5D3 was holding up pretty well.
So, I'm letting the 1Dx go for now and will re-order one after they have been out for a bit. Will re-direct funds to the 24-70 L rev 2 and a tilt-shft lens instead. Circle back to the 1Dx after the dust settles. The 5D3 and the 7D will be fine for now.
Something is amiss. I canceled my 1Dx pre-order an hour ago. After using the 5D3 to shoot the US Nationals Cycling Championships over the weekend, I figured there was no need to be on the bleeding edge nor be in a long line waiting for the 1Dx and not getting one until the late fall as it looks when the 5D3 was holding up pretty well.
So, I'm letting the 1Dx go for now and will re-order one after they have been out for a bit. Will re-direct funds to the 24-70 L rev 2 and a tilt-shft lens instead. Circle back to the 1Dx after the dust settles. The 5D3 and the 7D will be fine for now.
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Its amazing how many think that making a camera is just simple kiddie stuff. Its complex and difficult, and even small things can have wide reaching effects.
Canon wants the camera to be better than the D4, and it likely needs more work to get there. I have not put one on order, I'll wait and see first, so its not a issue to me.
Still, I think that some new management is in order, just like Nikon did a few years back.
Canon wants the camera to be better than the D4, and it likely needs more work to get there. I have not put one on order, I'll wait and see first, so its not a issue to me.
Still, I think that some new management is in order, just like Nikon did a few years back.
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Viggo said:briansquibb said:
heheh funny
but in this case with the difference you can turn that on when you want
When i shoot portraits i tend to take two or three pics to avoid having people with their eyes closed. Why on earth would you use 12fps for this? in two seconds you would have like 20 pics
Yes, pay the double for double framerate and then slow it down... That's like buying a Veyron, and tow it with a Lada to save gas....
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nikkito said:Viggo said:briansquibb said:
heheh funny
but in this case with the difference you can turn that on when you want
When i shoot portraits i tend to take two or three pics to avoid having people with their eyes closed. Why on earth would you use 12fps for this? in two seconds you would have like 20 pics
Yes, pay the double for double framerate and then slow it down... That's like buying a Veyron, and tow it with a Lada to save gas....
Totally right on about shooting portraits. Anybody not understanding the usefulness of being able to change the top speed and slow speed is not thinking before posting.
And even the 14 fps IS extremely useful. Imagine getting a wide angle close up shot of a hurdler. At 6 fps one would only get about 2 frames possibly catching the action at the right moment. At 14 fps, one could get five frames as the hurdler crossed the hurdle, much more likely to get a perfect wide angle view of the hurdler.
14 fps is for creativity and usefulness, and so is 12 fps, and so is 5 fps, etc. I am paying for the creative ability.
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I have had this camera on order since late December....this is really getting old and all I can say is that Canon has done a very poor job in the PR field with respect to the delays. If I didn't have so much invested in my lenses, etc I would switch to Nikon tomorrow. Was at a college baseball game last weekend and watched the guy next to me shooting with his new Nikon D4 and when I asked him about it he was thrilled with how it was working....frankly the delays in the new Canon are getting ridiculous. I am leaving for Arctic Svalbard in a little more than 3 weeks hoping to have the new camera to take with me along with my MK IV but that ain't happening. I am just hoping that I will have mine by mid August when I head back up to Katmai for 3 weeks.....the Canon folks re really pi--ing me off!
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Not sure why everybody is so worked up about delays... the 1Dx was announced in october and said to be available in march 2012. It seems delays are 2-3 months right now, if they start to ship in june.
I highly doubt they are trying to do major redesign... with 2,5 months delay. I bet they are trying to iron out firmware bugs and get all it in good working order for the olympics.
I highly doubt they are trying to do major redesign... with 2,5 months delay. I bet they are trying to iron out firmware bugs and get all it in good working order for the olympics.
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helpful said:nikkito said:Viggo said:briansquibb said:
heheh funny
but in this case with the difference you can turn that on when you want
When i shoot portraits i tend to take two or three pics to avoid having people with their eyes closed. Why on earth would you use 12fps for this? in two seconds you would have like 20 pics
Yes, pay the double for double framerate and then slow it down... That's like buying a Veyron, and tow it with a Lada to save gas....
Anybody not understanding the usefulness of being able to change the top speed and slow speed is not thinking before posting.
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I have owned the 1d3 and the 1d4 so I know very well about setting fps. The thing is, the 1d4 at 10 fps got me less keepers than the 5d3 with 6 fps, so essentially wasting frames. I didn't shot 10 fps to get that critical moment, I shot 10 fps to be sure I had a few sharp images to choose from a sequence. And I have used the 1d X, and for me personally 12 fps means I really have to dig to find something that is THAT fast that I need it, AND the AF has to able to keep up. That is a very hard task to do, and none of the 1d's have done it so far, or any other camera, ever. The X is good, but the AF isn't as fast as your vision and mind. And I think that when shooting a sporting event with the X, you could have gotten by with 6 fps, but you have it set to 12 to be sure, meaning your shooting a huge amount of images not neccesary to catch a critical moment. And then you're still absolutely have to have 100% of those shot perfectly focused. That would be absolutely crazy to have 100% hitrate at all times.
That is why paying double and slowing down doesn't make sense. This is, again, singled out only in the discussion of shutter durabillity taken out of contex when considering the (on paper since no one has used both and compared) way better tracking of the 1d X. Shutter durabillty only
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Viggo said:I have owned the 1d3 and the 1d4 so I know very well about setting fps. The thing is, the 1d4 at 10 fps got me less keepers than the 5d3 with 6 fps, so essentially wasting frames. I didn't shot 10 fps to get that critical moment, I shot 10 fps to be sure I had a few sharp images to choose from a sequence. And I have used the 1d X, and for me personally 12 fps means I really have to dig to find something that is THAT fast that I need it, AND the AF has to able to keep up. That is a very hard task to do, and none of the 1d's have done it so far, or any other camera, ever. The X is good, but the AF isn't as fast as your vision and mind. And I think that when shooting a sporting event with the X, you could have gotten by with 6 fps, but you have it set to 12 to be sure, meaning your shooting a huge amount of images not neccesary to catch a critical moment. And then you're still absolutely have to have 100% of those shot perfectly focused. That would be absolutely crazy to have 100% hitrate at all times.
That is why paying double and slowing down doesn't make sense. This is, again, singled out only in the discussion of shutter durabillity taken out of contex when considering the (on paper since no one has used both and compared) way better tracking of the 1d X. Shutter durabillty only
You might no see the sense behind it - but I do - and that is no doubt why all the faster frame rate cameras offer a slow continuous - yes including Nikon D4 etc
As for you having less keepers, well over the weekend I was taking pictures of planes at 10fps and the problem I had was the extremely high keeper rate. This was with the 1D4 and 600mm (and sometimes with the 1.4).
Do you think the world sports pros would tolerate lots of missed shots? These are those pros that you see with the long white lens. If they missed shots on a regular basis they would have moved to the D3S - the ones with big black lens that are conspicuously absent at sporting events. So how come you miss shots and slag off Canon when the majority of top pros seem to be happy?
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