Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Autofocus Talk

[takesome1]

There's never been a silent shutter on a Canon DSLR.

Please define what you mean by "silent shutter" then. Many people, myself included, find the 5D3 silent shutter quiet enough for their uses

Agree. what decibel level measured 1 foot away from the camera is "silent"? all camera make some noise. How much is acceptable to be silent?

In this case silent is something similar to a sewing machine as it sews,
vs
Something that uses gunpowder and is automatic.

 

[wockawocka]

There's never been a silent shutter on a Canon DSLR.

Please define what you mean by "silent shutter" then. Many people, myself included, find the 5D3 silent shutter quiet enough for their uses

I think Canon are the ones who need to define the meaning of the word silent, they don't have the dictionary definition anyway. The 1DS3, 1D4 and 1DX all had S for silent shutter mode. But it wasn't silent, not by a LONG way.

The 5D3 is quieter, but still quite noticeable at a wedding when total silence would be required.

At least Nikon designate the mode with a Q for quiet and the Sony A7s and A7rii are totally silent. The 5DSr normal shutter is so well dampened it's almost the same level as the 5D3 in silent.

Unless they can cancel out the mirror box from moving (i.e. mirror up, EVF drops down and DPAF handles the AF) then we won't see trully silent shutter through the OVF.

Calling it a silent shutter is a real bug bear of mine and is almost insulting. I was totally disappointed in the 1DX when I found the only difference between the 'silent shutter' was that it was just as loud as the normal one, but with a more elongated clunk and a tinny resonance at the end.

It's a great camera but the lack of a proper dampened (quiet) shutter was the main reason I sold it and moved to 5D3's and further on, to 5DSr's. It was far too intrusive for weddings.

We'll get there in the end with each generation I'm sure.

 

[GoldWing]

I'm getting a feeling the 1DX MKII is going to be underwhelming.

We got this from <a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1406985/4#13379076" target="_blank">Fred Miranda</a>, which is a forum I frequently read.</p>
<blockquote><p>For me, the obvious feature of the 1DX Mk2 is its AF and tracking capabilities over the 1DX. Not only is the AF faster, when using a 2X TC on a 500/600mm f4 lens, the new camera will allow all focusing points to be active even when the effective aperture is f8. On the 1DX, only the centre AF point and 4 surrounding points (with AF area expansion) are effective. I understand there will also be a multi-frame silent shooting mode instead of the single shooting silent mode on the 1DX.</p></blockquote>
<p>If we go by other things we’ve been told about the EOS-1D X Mark II, there are some similarities, though the exact information may not match up perfectly.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[gunship01]

Feeding the goldfish.

Stay tuned, it will be lighter than the D5. That the topic for next week. Next Oprah!!

 

[rrcphoto]

Why doesn't Canon just announce the camera rather than keep orchestrating leaks?

Because the orchestrated leaks (whether they turn out to be true or not) generates hype that buys more awareness than a standard marketing campaign can.

a 1DXII doesn't require that .. and most leaks are effectively plugged up by Canon. thus the decreasing amount of product leaks until literally 48 hours before release.

 

[arbitrage]

As an active member on FM, I viewed his posts from the beginning. At first I had zero faith in them but as he continued to post his experiences it seemed to be an honest account of a very brief visit with the 1DXII a while back in some prototype stage. Granted it still could be just a trolling post but the only thing he has ever posted at FM was about his 1DX2 experience.

The claim that all points will be f/8 available is the hardest to believe...remember the 1DX had zero f/8 points when it was first released. Of course if that claim is actually true (it was listed in a previous spec list here on CR) that would be very impressive and a huge feature for those using the f/4 supertelephotos with 2xTCs and all the people now using 100-400II with 1.4TC (seems like almost everyone).

Anyways, on another post on FM, an Australian member let slip that his invitation is for Feb 2nd for the press event. He edited his post a day later but on FM you can always view the original post if you are a member. Hopefully that was a legit date as it means we have very little time to wait for the full truth from Canon!!

 

[unfocused]

Is this really what it has come down to: re-posting snippets from another discussion thread and treating it as though the writer somehow has better insight or knowledge than anyone else?

 

[unfocused]

things have gone back to leaks are a marketing tool rather than being leaks.

Except you are misrepresenting what RRC Photo said:

a 1DXII doesn't require that.

Yes, leaks can be a marketing tool. But only if there is a competitive advantage to leaking information. In the case of the 1DXII, the target audience is not that susceptible to marketing campaigns. Most are already heavily invested in the Canon system and won't be considering any other brand. There may be some small advantage to building "buzz" about the new model (to boost pent-up demand and increase pre-sales) but that's not a huge factor since 1D products are not spur-of-the-moment purchases.

 

[YuengLinger]

things have gone back to leaks are a marketing tool rather than being leaks.

Except you are misrepresenting what RRC Photo said:

a 1DXII doesn't require that.

Yes, leaks can be a marketing tool. But only if there is a competitive advantage to leaking information. In the case of the 1DXII, the target audience is not that susceptible to marketing campaigns. Most are already heavily invested in the Canon system and won't be considering any other brand. There may be some small advantage to building "buzz" about the new model (to boost pent-up demand and increase pre-sales) but that's not a huge factor since 1D products are not spur-of-the-moment purchases.

Ahh, but 1D marketing also generates excitement for many other Canon bodies, especially 5Dx and 7Dx and even xxD and rebels. Same with flagship cars and their ''lesser siblings.''

Besides, not all 1D shooters are as savvy as yourself.

 

[GoldWing]

I'm a sports photographer, I don't care about noise.
I'm a sports photographer, I don't need a video camera
I'm a sports photographer, I need two card slots that are the same
I'm a sports photographer, My camera gets knocked around - No moving screens or touch pads
I'm a sports photographer, My camera gets wet - No moving screens or touch pads
I'm a sports photographer, I shoot in the worst lighting - More DR for blacks & Shadows - Please
I'm a sports photographer, My batteries work, don't change them
I'm a sports photographer, I need less oil and debris in my mirror box I shoot 5,000 10,000 shots a sitting
I'm a sports photographer, I'd like better low light focus for strobes so I don't have to use modeling lights
I'm a sports photographer, I'd like to control my radio flashes from my camera not another flash or ext trigger
I'm a sports photographer, I'd like AUTO MA of Canon A lenses
I'm a sports photographer, I'd like to bracket from SPOT, EVAL and CENTER WEIGHTED metering
I'm a sports photographer, I'd like AUTO Multi-Point AWB
I'm a sports photographer, I shoot RAW - I don't want to see a JPEG in my screen
I'm a sports photographer, I travel with 3 1DX bodies in the worst weather and conditions. 300 pound athletes, racing cars, sports equipment, drunk fans, scaffolding and BEER seem to find me and attack my 1DX's and lenses every chance they get.

I'M A SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHER

We got this from <a href="http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1406985/4#13379076" target="_blank">Fred Miranda</a>, which is a forum I frequently read.</p>
<blockquote><p>For me, the obvious feature of the 1DX Mk2 is its AF and tracking capabilities over the 1DX. Not only is the AF faster, when using a 2X TC on a 500/600mm f4 lens, the new camera will allow all focusing points to be active even when the effective aperture is f8. On the 1DX, only the centre AF point and 4 surrounding points (with AF area expansion) are effective. I understand there will also be a multi-frame silent shooting mode instead of the single shooting silent mode on the 1DX.</p></blockquote>
<p>If we go by other things we’ve been told about the EOS-1D X Mark II, there are some similarities, though the exact information may not match up perfectly.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[Nininini]

Not only is the AF faster, when using a 2X TC on a 500/600mm f4 lens

Sounds like wild speculation. A 2X TC on a 500/600mm is always going to have issues with AF, phase, but especially contrast detection needs ample light to not only focus fast, but also accurately. Nothing short of bending the laws of physics will change that. It just reads like he is making stuff up.

 

[Nininini]

Why doesn't Canon just announce the camera rather than keep orchestrating leaks?

Pretty sure Canon has other things to do than to orchestrate leaks on obscure forums.

 

[tpatana]

I'm with GoldWing on most clauses.

 

[9VIII]

I'm a sports photographer, I don't care about noise.
...
I'm a sports photographer, I shoot in the worst lighting - More DR for blacks & Shadows - Please
...

It sounds like you're confused about your equipment.

 

[Nininini]

I shoot 10,000 shots a sitting
I travel with 3 1DX bodies

he probably needs 3 because his 1DX lasts about a week when he takes 10,000 shots / day

 

[privatebydesign]

I'm a sports photographer, I don't care about noise.
...
I'm a sports photographer, I shoot in the worst lighting - More DR for blacks & Shadows - Please
...

It sounds like you're confused about your equipment.

It sounds like you don't understand the difference between a noisy shutter mechanism (as in sound) and a noisy image.

 

[privatebydesign]

I'M A SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHER

And nowhere near do all 1DX owners and future 1DX MkII purchasers share your criteria, or profession.

 

[candc]

There is going to be a blurry picture of the 1dxii from infodigicame any day now.

 

[9VIII]

I'm a sports photographer, I don't care about noise.
...
I'm a sports photographer, I shoot in the worst lighting - More DR for blacks & Shadows - Please
...

It sounds like you're confused about your equipment.

It sounds like you don't understand the difference between a noisy shutter mechanism (as in sound) and a noisy image.

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[PureClassA]

I'M A SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHER

And nowhere near do all 1DX owners and future 1DX MkII purchasers share your criteria, or profession.

Amen. I want a 1DX2 to shoot sports. I want a 1DX2 to shoot beautiful portraits. I want a 1DX2 to replace my 6D, 7D, and 5D3. There's so much a top flight 1 body should be regardless of it being the best sports camera