Canon EOS-1D X Mark II Rumored Features [CR1]

[Loswr]

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Much talked about new sensor technology

I hope they can at least play the 'catch up game' right this time! About time!

Yes, we heard you the first time(s). Maybe Canon will put DPAF in the sensor to catch up with the competitors who've had it for years. Oh, wait... :

 

[gsealy]

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Boy isn't it getting interesting. The new RED Scarlet-W cine body - 5k at 60fps 14 megapixel at 60 fps. oooooof
at the 10k price point.... double oooooof.


oh wait they also advertise 16.5 stops of DR.

oh it so much... I am getting dizzy.

they still haven't solved the primary nut problem - you know the one behind the wheel.

Not to mention the BMD Ursa Mini 4.6, which is due out at anytime. Another alternative is to get a used C500, which can capture Raw among other alternatives. I have seen it go for as low as $7500 on Ebay. I am thinking it might be in $5K area by the end of 2016.

 

[Tugela]

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Hobbyist spend by far much more money on camera equipment than pro's do.

I know alot of pro's who use mediocre stuff.

That is a too broad generalisation without actual data. For instance I live in Florida and it isn't difficult to find enthusiastic birders with 1DX and EF600mm packages, but there are many more with 7D MkII's and Sigma 150-600, but on the sidelines of any college football game, or many other sports, there will be working pros with those 1D MkIV's and 1DX's and 400 2.8's. I don' personally know one single amateur with a medium format digital camera yet I know several pros with them.

I have also seen 'pros' shooting weddings with Rebels.......

For a pro a camera is a tool. As long as it is reliable and gets the job done, they are not going to be too picky about the label on the faceplate. That is something high end amateurs worry more about.

 

[Jack Douglas]

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Hobbyist spend by far much more money on camera equipment than pro's do.

I know alot of pro's who use mediocre stuff.

That is a too broad generalisation without actual data. For instance I live in Florida and it isn't difficult to find enthusiastic birders with 1DX and EF600mm packages, but there are many more with 7D MkII's and Sigma 150-600, but on the sidelines of any college football game, or many other sports, there will be working pros with those 1D MkIV's and 1DX's and 400 2.8's. I don' personally know one single amateur with a medium format digital camera yet I know several pros with them.

I have also seen 'pros' shooting weddings with Rebels.......

I agree it is highly variable. BUT there are several reasons that amateurs might have better equipment.

1. They do not need to justify the cost in business terms. They justify the cost in emotional enjoyment (or the flip avoid angst of having the toys the want).

2. They do not make money with photography. They make money elsewhere and spending on photography for enjoyment. Being a pro is not easy and often financially challenging. Enjoyment does not matter if you do not food on the table.

Kind of sad but I seriously scrimped for most of your life being too busy working hard, falling back into a holiday only mode with my old F1. Always regretted that a love born years ago was neglected but when a friend showed me what he was getting with his Nikon DSLR the flame reignited and off I went to purchase an "expensive" - like $1000 Nikon camera and lens. One year of that and wow this is amazing and furthermore look what others are getting with better lenses and ...... Can't fully justify it but it's now about $16000 in Canon gear and rising. And, it's a blast, especially being retired. I'll do without other luxuries! I'm sure my story is similar to many others. Now that I've tried the 1D IV for a few months I'm ready for a 1DX II - can't justify this!!

Jack

 

[JMZawodny]

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Hobbyist spend by far much more money on camera equipment than pro's do.

I know alot of pro's who use mediocre stuff.

That is a too broad generalisation without actual data. For instance I live in Florida and it isn't difficult to find enthusiastic birders with 1DX and EF600mm packages, but there are many more with 7D MkII's and Sigma 150-600, but on the sidelines of any college football game, or many other sports, there will be working pros with those 1D MkIV's and 1DX's and 400 2.8's. I don' personally know one single amateur with a medium format digital camera yet I know several pros with them.

I have also seen 'pros' shooting weddings with Rebels.......

I agree it is highly variable. BUT there are several reasons that amateurs might have better equipment.

1. They do not need to justify the cost in business terms. They justify the cost in emotional enjoyment (or the flip avoid angst of having the toys the want).

2. They do not make money with photography. They make money elsewhere and spending on photography for enjoyment. Being a pro is not easy and often financially challenging. Enjoyment does not matter if you do not food on the table.

Kind of sad but I seriously scrimped for most of your life being too busy working hard, falling back into a holiday only mode with my old F1. Always regretted that a love born years ago was neglected but when a friend showed me what he was getting with his Nikon DSLR the flame reignited and off I went to purchase an "expensive" - like $1000 Nikon camera and lens. One year of that and wow this is amazing and furthermore look what others are getting with better lenses and ...... Can't fully justify it but it's now about $16000 in Canon gear and rising. And, it's a blast, especially being retired. I'll do without other luxuries! I'm sure my story is similar to many others. Now that I've tried the 1D IV for a few months I'm ready for a 1DX II - can't justify this!!

Jack

+1

I'm in nearly the same boat. Retirement is 2 years and 2 weeks away! This is the one hobby I can enjoy most every day of the year. I'm still shooting with a 5D2 and a 7D2. I may as well keep with the theme and get the 1Dx2.

Joe

 

[FTb-n]

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Silent mode on the 5D mkIII is much quieter than the 1DX and makes shooting in churches during the ceremony possible. I have never had a minister say I couldn't shoot with the 5D MkIII during a service, I have had them say that about 1 series cameras.

+1

I just shot two school concerts with a pair 5D3's -- one with a 24-70, the other with a 70-200. The silent shutter is the main reason that I'm keeping these bodies. I have a great deal of freedom to shoot in a church or school auditorium without fear that my shooting is disrupting to members of the audience.

Don't get me wrong. The 5D3 is a great body. I'm very pleased with the IQ, the high ISO performance, and the ergonomics. It feels second nature for me to shoot with it. But, the 1Dx is a notch above it all the way around -- save for pixel count. Frame rate, focus performance, and high ISO get's most of the accolades. But, the ergonomics of the 1Dx makes it much easier to operate during fast paced events. While I enjoy shooting with the 5D3, the 1Dx puts more fun into the process for me. I would love to trade in a 5D3 (or two) for a second 1Dx, but I NEED the silent shutter for many of the events that I shoot.

 

[Busted Knuckles]

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Joe and Jack, isn't it a giggle fest to see what the new stuff can do. Just a load of fun making images, time lapses, HDRs, B&W with different color filter effects, change ISO radically, "motor drive", zillion spot metering, HD home movies, exposure/etc image preview, etc, etc. at the touch of a couple of buttons compared to when we had to use film to get any image - snap shot or otherwise. I did a time lapse on a t3i about 3 years ago and compared it the cost of doing the same in 1976 - when I did it with a 35mm movie camera. ooooofffff.

It seems we have a similar perspective. Lots of people making world class images sharing with those who simply won't ever get to those locals at the speed of the internet. What a wonderful time to be alive.... unless you are trying to make a living at this photo business. Long weekends suck as there are 2 more steps of technology you are supposed to acquired and show your clients that hold up their i-phone pic to you......

I am happy tra lala lala lala

 

[JMZawodny]

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I wonder if the quick follow on of the 5D camera updates will represent Canon doing a very quick trickle down of the new sensor technology into that line of cameras?

That would make sense wouldn't it? In business, if you have an advantage you run with it before anyone else can react. Canon's advantages are great optics design and AF technologies, but those are held back slightly by less than state of the art sensor performance. Cure the latter and sales should increase over the full range of DSLRs in which the sensors are improved. It seems obvious, but then again I am not a Japanese business executive. We can only hope they chose the right path.

 

[JMZawodny]

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Joe and Jack, isn't it a giggle fest to see what the new stuff can do. Just a load of fun making images, time lapses, HDRs, B&W with different color filter effects, change ISO radically, "motor drive", zillion spot metering, HD home movies, exposure/etc image preview, etc, etc. at the touch of a couple of buttons compared to when we had to use film to get any image - snap shot or otherwise. I did a time lapse on a t3i about 3 years ago and compared it the cost of doing the same in 1976 - when I did it with a 35mm movie camera. ooooofffff.

Totally OT but ...:
Funny thing, I did a ~3 hour time lapse with my 7D2 to capture the storm tide expected to invade the neighborhood. In about 5 minutes of work with the right SW I had a 0:56 video from the 1670 individual frames. The real problem was that all of the (free) online sharing sites compressed the heck out of my ProRes 422 vid. I understand why since the 56 seconds of video was a 1GB file even at only 1080p.

The file I uploaded is here (don't view either on a phone)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2249936/ProRes%20422%201080p.mov
and the online version is here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmzawodny/21351779763/in/dateposted-public/

No comparison at all. So while the internet gets us to places we can't personally go to, the experience is still lacking. I do have to wonder what our fellow forum members, who are so adamant about the next gen bodies having 4K capabilities, do with that video once they take it. Are they all pros that feed the film industry? Seems unlikely. Where can we share HQ vids on line? Likely an existing thread, any pointers to it?

Back to our regularly scheduled forum discussion ...

Joe

 

[Talley]

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Silent shutter on the 5D3 sucks compared to the regular shutter on 7D2.

I look forward to all future canon cameras having a wow silent mode like the 7D2 does.

 

[tpatana]

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Silent shutter on the 5D3 sucks compared to the regular shutter on 7D2.

I look forward to all future canon cameras having a wow silent mode like the 7D2 does.

Of course everything is smaller on crop, so it makes it easier.

 

[tpatana]

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I'm ok if 1DX2 doesn't have any video.

I'd like it to have, for those just in case -moments when I need video and don't have anything else, but even then 99% of the time I'd just get cell phone out. I can't imagine being somewhere and me or anyone around not having a cell phone.

I hope they don't compromise anything on photo-side for that, and that they don't increase price to match 1DC for that. Make cameras to take stills, and concentrate on those strong point. Pretty please.

 

[Stu_bert]

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Joe and Jack, isn't it a giggle fest to see what the new stuff can do. Just a load of fun making images, time lapses, HDRs, B&W with different color filter effects, change ISO radically, "motor drive", zillion spot metering, HD home movies, exposure/etc image preview, etc, etc. at the touch of a couple of buttons compared to when we had to use film to get any image - snap shot or otherwise. I did a time lapse on a t3i about 3 years ago and compared it the cost of doing the same in 1976 - when I did it with a 35mm movie camera. ooooofffff.

Totally OT but ...:
Funny thing, I did a ~3 hour time lapse with my 7D2 to capture the storm tide expected to invade the neighborhood. In about 5 minutes of work with the right SW I had a 0:56 video from the 1670 individual frames. The real problem was that all of the (free) online sharing sites compressed the heck out of my ProRes 422 vid. I understand why since the 56 seconds of video was a 1GB file even at only 1080p.

The file I uploaded is here (don't view either on a phone)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2249936/ProRes%20422%201080p.mov
and the online version is here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmzawodny/21351779763/in/dateposted-public/

No comparison at all. So while the internet gets us to places we can't personally go to, the experience is still lacking. I do have to wonder what our fellow forum members, who are so adamant about the next gen bodies having 4K capabilities, do with that video once they take it. Are they all pros that feed the film industry? Seems unlikely. Where can we share HQ vids on line? Likely an existing thread, any pointers to it?

Back to our regularly scheduled forum discussion ...

Joe

I guess that's one of the drivers behind x.265 - if it can live up to the claims and become prevalent. But tech is always "sold" before the supporting infra catches up. 4K TVs but ironically only 4K available throught streaming services (using x.265 I believe).

4K allows more flexibility editing. Want to reduce blur from "handholding" video footage and it typically reduces your overall frame size. 4K improves that. Even cropping in to focus attention. 4K gives you more flexibility.

I still edit raw images taken on a Eos 10D and bemoan the fact that I only took a portable 20GB drive with me at the time - so some of the pictures I took were in jpeg when I started to run out of space and couldn't delete from the portable drive. LR 5 produces better processing of my 10D Raw than LR 1 and what I used before that (Rawshooter)

I'd be happy to shoot in 4K with the expectation that in the next few years, the infra will catch up - but then I probably only do 2 or 3 significant photography trips a year if I'm lucky, so volume isnt an issue for me...

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

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I'm ok if 1DX2 doesn't have any video. I hope they don't compromise anything on photo-side for that, and that they don't increase price to match 1DC for that. Make cameras to take stills, and concentrate on those strong point. Pretty please.

THIS X 1,000,000,000 8)

 

[tpatana]

Also another (easy) SW feature they should implement, picture count with more than 4 digits. How about 5 or 6. Or unlimited. The 8 digit file names are so 80s, Canon could come to this century.

It'd be much easier and faster when looking for old pictures from the drive, since running number would be unique to each picture, and if I'm looking for certain number, when checking a folder I would immediately know if the one I'm looking is at older or newer folder, depending if the running count is smaller or higher than the pics in the folder.

No HW changes needed, just small piece of SW.

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

Also another (easy) SW feature they should implement, picture count with more than 4 digits. How about 5 or 6. Or unlimited. The 8 digit file names are so 80s, Canon could come to this century.

It'd be much easier and faster when looking for old pictures from the drive, since running number would be unique to each picture, and if I'm looking for certain number, when checking a folder I would immediately know if the one I'm looking is at older or newer folder, depending if the running count is smaller or higher than the pics in the folder.

No HW changes needed, just small piece of SW.

Holy cow tpatana, you're my new favorite poster. I've said this since day one, "why the hell can't the camera's first picture be #1 and the 20,000th picture be #20000?" Is that too much to ask? Totally lame that a $6K camera resets the count at 9999. Lame.

And just think, like an odometer in a car you'd always know the camera actuation count (unless you choose to reset the camera counter--which I would NEVER do). Heck, I never reset the statistics on my phones . . .

 

[Jack Douglas]

Also another (easy) SW feature they should implement, picture count with more than 4 digits. How about 5 or 6. Or unlimited. The 8 digit file names are so 80s, Canon could come to this century.

It'd be much easier and faster when looking for old pictures from the drive, since running number would be unique to each picture, and if I'm looking for certain number, when checking a folder I would immediately know if the one I'm looking is at older or newer folder, depending if the running count is smaller or higher than the pics in the folder.

No HW changes needed, just small piece of SW.

This is a no brainer for sure!! It's hard to believe it's never been done.

Jack

 

[privatebydesign]

Also another (easy) SW feature they should implement, picture count with more than 4 digits. How about 5 or 6. Or unlimited. The 8 digit file names are so 80s, Canon could come to this century.

It'd be much easier and faster when looking for old pictures from the drive, since running number would be unique to each picture, and if I'm looking for certain number, when checking a folder I would immediately know if the one I'm looking is at older or newer folder, depending if the running count is smaller or higher than the pics in the folder.

No HW changes needed, just small piece of SW.

This is a no brainer for sure!! It's hard to believe it's never been done.

Jack

That isn't Canons fault, it is the international standard for image file formats.

 

[IgotGASbadDude]

Also another (easy) SW feature they should implement, picture count with more than 4 digits. How about 5 or 6. Or unlimited. The 8 digit file names are so 80s, Canon could come to this century.

It'd be much easier and faster when looking for old pictures from the drive, since running number would be unique to each picture, and if I'm looking for certain number, when checking a folder I would immediately know if the one I'm looking is at older or newer folder, depending if the running count is smaller or higher than the pics in the folder.

No HW changes needed, just small piece of SW.

This is a no brainer for sure!! It's hard to believe it's never been done.

Jack

That isn't Canons fault, it is the international standard for image file formats.

In this situation, the acronym is the ISSIFF. The International STUPID Standard for Image File Formats.

 

[tpatana]

Also another (easy) SW feature they should implement, picture count with more than 4 digits. How about 5 or 6. Or unlimited. The 8 digit file names are so 80s, Canon could come to this century.

It'd be much easier and faster when looking for old pictures from the drive, since running number would be unique to each picture, and if I'm looking for certain number, when checking a folder I would immediately know if the one I'm looking is at older or newer folder, depending if the running count is smaller or higher than the pics in the folder.

No HW changes needed, just small piece of SW.

This is a no brainer for sure!! It's hard to believe it's never been done.

Jack

That isn't Canons fault, it is the international standard for image file formats.

Yes, for MSDOS 6.22. Although for most part the PC operating systems have been downhill ever since, at least the file names can be longer now. Can't remember what's the current restriction, maybe 256 characters?