Canon EOS-1D X Mark II To Be 22mp [CR3]

[Orangutan]

Literally, thats what you have to do keep me with Canon right now

I'm curious: why do you assume that everyone makes their decisions based on the same criteria that you use? Has it occurred to you that your needs may not be representative of the market as a whole?

 

[3kramd5]

To be honest, its already too late for Canon...

From your signature, it appears you own two copies of one of canon's most recent cameras, a prosumer model at that.

Somehow I think they'll do okay.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

That sounds fine to me. There are lots of photographers hoping for the sensor to be in the 22-24 Mp range. Not only is this in alignment with high performance expectations, but also high iso expectations. This is shaping up as a year of great releases.

+1

Now I hope that Canon is staying in similar region a with the 5D4 sensor.

and why not provide the same sensor in the 5D4? is it so undoable? ...back in the day film was the sensor...there was enough variation in tech and built of the cameras, though. No one would have come to the conclusion to provide you or to force you to buy a lesser quality film...that's something I still cannot grasp :-\

Canon has seen the 5D4 as a tool for different usage from the 1 series, it was originally developed as a Wedding Camera and had a higher pixel count for portraits. I have no issue with 22 mp, but expect a higher count for the 5D MK IV.

Its not about sensor quality, but about the target user.

 

[unfocused]

Canon has seen the 5D4 as a tool for different usage from the 1 series, it was originally developed as a Wedding Camera and had a higher pixel count for portraits. I have no issue with 22 mp, but expect a higher count for the 5D MK IV.

Its not about sensor quality, but about the target user.

I think that's sort of the point. The current megapixel count for the 5DIII is more than sufficient for its user base. For those that need higher resolution, Canon provides that with the 5DS.

Satisfied with the current resolution, many of those same users are looking for improved ISO performance and other sensor performance enhancements. The current 5DIII is certainly no slouch when it comes to ISO performance, but many users, if given the choice between more megapixels and improved ISO performance, would now choose the improved ISO performance. I don't shoot weddings, but I do shoot a lot of events and meetings in dark rooms where flash cannot be used and where every bit of extra ISO performance is welcome.

I don't expect Canon will re-use the same sensor as the 1DX II, although I'd be fine with that. As I said previously, what would make the most sense would be to give the 5DIV a 24 mp sensor and then go up to 28 mp for the 6DII.

 

[PureClassA]

To be honest, its already too late for Canon...
SO many options out there... no one is literally left.

Yep, no one left except the majority of ILC buyers in the world. Somehow, Canon will survive without you.

Dude... Seriously? What sales figures have You been looking at? Canon is wrecking everyone else by leaps and bounds and there's no sign of that changing. Clearly the bulk of the photography world doesn't revolve around your whims. Not trying to be flippant, but making such a statement will get you snapback of reality around here.

 

[Perio]

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Dude... Seriously? What sales figures have You been looking at? Canon is wrecking everyone else by leaps and bounds and there's no sign of that changing. Clearly the bulk of the photography world doesn't revolve around your whims. Not trying to be flippant, but making such a statement will get you snapback of reality around here.

Except that Canon's profits are heading down faster than anyone else's.

Canon has a large installed user base and as long as that keeps on upgrading, it will likely sustain Canon.

BUT.

If Canon's userbase starts turning into Nikon or Sony or someone else, then there's trouble.

There's enough people here using Sony A7 cameras with adapters to give you an indication that Canon doesn't make something to answer every competitor camera.

Everything that costs more than $1000 (camera, lens, tripod, etc) is a niche market. How many people do you expect to buy $3k SONY/Nikon camera to significantly affect the Canon's market share? I mean we're talking probably about 0.01% of all users. Another question is how many people would want to dump their existing Canon gear just for extra 2 stops of DR? Did you do that already? If you did, then why do you care about Canon users? If you did not, then clearly Canon work even for such demanding customers, as you are.

Sure, based on this and some other forums, everything that millions of people need is greater DR, otherwise we all switch to Sony/Nikon. Guess what, many people still shoot with 5dii and 7d professionally, and they could care less about 4k video or 14 stops of DR.

I hope you guys have as much time to spend with you family as you spend bashing Canon.

 

[Diltiazem]

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Dude... Seriously? What sales figures have You been looking at? Canon is wrecking everyone else by leaps and bounds and there's no sign of that changing. Clearly the bulk of the photography world doesn't revolve around your whims. Not trying to be flippant, but making such a statement will get you snapback of reality around here.

Except that Canon's profits are heading down faster than anyone else's.

Do you have anything to support your claim? A link would be nice.

I have already picked up some salt as Canon and Nikon are the only two companies known have been making profit in photography business for last several years.

 

[davidmurray]

I feel that 24MP should be the low mark on high end cameras today. The highres digital media warants that me thinks... OTOH, you can only get that that's on the market and there are other cams avaible, if you don't need 16fps.

Disagree.
My view is that "high end" cameras should be about image quality, reliability, accuracy, durability, and speed.

Even a cellphone can give you 20 megapixels.

 

[Viggo]

I feel that 24MP should be the low mark on high end cameras today. The highres digital media warants that me thinks... OTOH, you can only get that that's on the market and there are other cams avaible, if you don't need 16fps.

Disagree.
My view is that "high end" cameras should be about image quality, reliability, accuracy, durability, and speed.

Even a cellphone can give you 20 megapixels.

You have the 5dsR for absolute resolution. Wonder what a 1dx with 14 fps would look like, weigh and cost if it were as good at 51200 iso and had 50mp res.

 

[pedro]

I feel that 24MP should be the low mark on high end cameras today. The highres digital media warants that me thinks... OTOH, you can only get that that's on the market and there are other cams avaible, if you don't need 16fps.

Disagree.
My view is that "high end" cameras should be about image quality, reliability, accuracy, durability, and speed.

Even a cellphone can give you 20 megapixels.

You have the 5dsR for absolute resolution. Wonder what a 1dx with 14 fps would look like, weigh and cost if it were as good at 51200 iso and had 50mp res.

How good is the current 1Dx at ISO 51k handheld? My ex-5D3 delievered quite decent photographs at ISO 12800 (streetlight at night) and ISO 25600 (good outdoor lights as well) but at 51K it surely didn't cut the mustard anymore...

 

[Viggo]

I feel that 24MP should be the low mark on high end cameras today. The highres digital media warants that me thinks... OTOH, you can only get that that's on the market and there are other cams avaible, if you don't need 16fps.

Disagree.
My view is that "high end" cameras should be about image quality, reliability, accuracy, durability, and speed.

Even a cellphone can give you 20 megapixels.

You have the 5dsR for absolute resolution. Wonder what a 1dx with 14 fps would look like, weigh and cost if it were as good at 51200 iso and had 50mp res.

How good is the current 1Dx at ISO 51k handheld? My ex-5D3 delievered quite decent photographs at ISO 12800 (streetlight at night) and ISO 25600 (good outdoor lights as well) but at 51K it surely didn't cut the mustard anymore...

Does tripod or handheld matter?

I haven't used 51200 to much, not because of noise, but even at fast speeds (I like to shoot 1/1000s and faster always) I haven't encounter that useless light for 51 to be needed with my fast lenses.

I expose heavily to the right and find 51 much better than getting a motion blurred, cleaner 12800 shot.

 

[FEBS]

Disagree.
My view is that "high end" cameras should be about image quality, reliability, accuracy, durability, and speed.

Even a cellphone can give you 20 megapixels.

+1

Fully agree on that. That are the most important values for the 1-serie

 

[davidmurray]

To be honest, its already too late for Canon...
SO many options out there... no one is literally left.

Yep, no one left except the majority of ILC buyers in the world. Somehow, Canon will survive without you.

I have to ask: what is it that people see a DSLR good for in doing video. I mean, with the 5D4 zooming is only manual, and the ergonomics (which are great for stills photography) are crap for video, and there is a limitation to how long each video can be before either it stops recording or it breaks the file into segments.

 

[mb66energy]

To be honest, its already too late for Canon...
SO many options out there... no one is literally left.

Yep, no one left except the majority of ILC buyers in the world. Somehow, Canon will survive without you.

I have to ask: what is it that people see a DSLR good for in doing video. I mean, with the 5D4 zooming is only manual, and the ergonomics (which are great for stills photography) are crap for video, and there is a limitation to how long each video can be before either it stops recording or it breaks the file into segments.

Video is an emerging part in online magazins. Think about a reporter in a "crisis zone" (war, natural disaster) who produces photographs with a hardened and reliable tool (e.g. EOS 1 Dx) and can do video to capture the dynamics of moments without changing the tool.
I see an increasing need for the single photographer to diversificate his/her portfolio of "art"work.

 

[Loswr]

Except that Canon's profits are heading down faster than anyone else's.

Do you have anything to support your claim? A link would be nice.

Look at Canon's quarterly for 2015Q3.

Then look at Nikon's 1H2016, where both y/y sales and operating profit fell more than Canon, proving for the umpteenth time that dilbert wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass. :

 

[gsealy]

To be honest, its already too late for Canon...
SO many options out there... no one is literally left.

Yep, no one left except the majority of ILC buyers in the world. Somehow, Canon will survive without you.

I have to ask: what is it that people see a DSLR good for in doing video. I mean, with the 5D4 zooming is only manual, and the ergonomics (which are great for stills photography) are crap for video, and there is a limitation to how long each video can be before either it stops recording or it breaks the file into segments.

The big thing for me is that I can use a variety of lenses. I use camcorders also, but the DSLR allows me to add variety and interest to the production. The DSLR is also light and can work easily on a jib or a slider.

 

[Eldar]

I will most likely buy this camera, regardless of it being a D5 killer or not, probably more due to my weak character and curiosity than actual need.

Considering what I can currently achieve with my 1DX and the fact that resolution will be more or less same same, the areas of importance to me would be AF-system and high ISO noise and DR performance.

 

[expatinasia]

I will most likely buy this camera, regardless of it being a D5 killer or not, probably more due to my weak character and curiosity than actual need.

Considering what I can currently achieve with my 1DX and the fact that resolution will be more or less same same, the areas of importance to me would be AF-system and high ISO noise and DR performance.

Eldar, I very much doubt you have a weak character, you simply want the best.

And we all know that whatever Canon does with the 1DX II, it will be better than the 1DX.

Exciting times lie ahead.

 

[Orangutan]

I have to ask: what is it that people see a DSLR good for in doing video. I mean, with the 5D4 zooming is only manual, and the ergonomics (which are great for stills photography) are crap for video, and there is a limitation to how long each video can be before either it stops recording or it breaks the file into segments.

I have to assume you're a serious videographer. If so, and if you make your living from video, I can see how you would choose gear that precisely fits each aspect of your need. On the other hand, integration of video in DSLRs is largely about democratization of video capability. While the ergonomics and handling may not be ideal for a true pro, it's possible for enthusiasts, amateurs and aspiring videographers to create a final product that's indistinguishable from that done with dedicated pro gear.

By analogy, when you look at a photo, either print or electronic, you can't tell whether the photographer edited with PS CC, PS Elements, GIMP or any other graphical tool; you also can't tell if the work was done on an old, wobbly Mac, or a bright, shiny new Windows 10 machine with 32GB of RAM and dual GPUs. Similarly, while the ergonomics, convenience, speed differ, the quality of the final product of DSLR video is largely limited by the skill and dedication of the user.

 

[expatinasia]

I have to ask: what is it that people see a DSLR good for in doing video. I mean, with the 5D4 zooming is only manual, and the ergonomics (which are great for stills photography) are crap for video, and there is a limitation to how long each video can be before either it stops recording or it breaks the file into segments.

Not everyone is making a Hollywood movie. DSLRs are capable of taking great video. I shoot with the 1D X a lot and I love the fact that I can use different lenses with it and also use it - and the same lenses - for the stills work I need to do.

I am on and off planes a lot, I have a lot of cables with me as I record audio via XLR to an external recorder and have loads and loads of other stuff to carry, but I would have even more if I had a stills camera and a DLSR plus other stuff.

Yes, a DSLR - even a 1D X - is not good in certain situations and you screw up (not the camera) but you learn and in future adapt.