Canon EOS-1D X Review
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
Well, this looks insanely good indeed. Having the D4 myself currently as my pro body, I must say these sample from the 1DX seem at least as good if not better at high ISO. Of course we will only know when comparing both camera under same condition. Cant wait to compare them both first hand!
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It looks pretty sweet. I like those hi ISO flower shots. I just saw the small samples, but the high iso 12000, 25000 shots look damn good. But the samples i opened were small. But yes, for the price, and the delay, the 1DX should be amazing. I think Canon screwed up their PR though by having such serious delays. I feel like they might have rushed it out just to avoid missing the Olympics in a few weeks.D_Rochat said:EchoLocation said:I agree. I don't think that anyone thinks the 5DIII is a bad camera. But for the price, it better be mind bogglingly good, and I don't think anyone would say that is the case. I would pay 2500 in a heartbeat for the 5DIII, but at over 3000 it is just not going to happen. The 5DIII is actually just what I expected it would be, except I expected Canon to beat Nikon's price by 500 bucks, instead it's the other way around.jaduffy007 said:Drizzt321 said:iso79 said:People complained about the 5D Mark III sensor? :
Yea, it's horrible. It's an incremental improvement over the previous 5d2 sensor. We don't get magical ability to use ISO 5 million that let's us see in the dark with hardly any noise that's easily correctable by LR4. It's hardly usable, don't find it any better than the 5d2 sensor. I mean, I can use images up to ISO 12800 for web size pretty easily. Geesh, it's horrible!
Guys, I don't recall reading any posts where the 5d3 sensor was called "horrible" or even "bad". This includes the madness of dpreview forums. What there's been a lot of is, disappointment in the lack of improvement vs 5d2, such as banding, etc This is an important distinction that seems "lost" on Canon fanboys. "lack of improvement" does not equate to "bad" or "horrible". The intensity of comments from those objectively pointing out this lack of improvement (in contrast to the D800) increased dramatically as they encountered fanboys unwilling to acknowledge these facts. Usually the fanboys would mis-characterize the "critical" comments by using hyperbole such as "So you think the sensor sucks, go away troll!" or give the impression the poster had insane expectations such as "magical ability to use ISO 5 million" or that the poster had written the sensor was "horrible". Ahem.
Another example: Lloyd Chambers said he found himself "bored" in regard to the 5d3 images and Canon fanboys went ballistic saying the "5D3 images are not boring!!". Well, that's not what Lloyd said. It was the lack of improvement that led to him having a lack of enthusiasm. Lack of enthusiasm does not equal "bad" or "horrible".
This, all in contrast to the simple truth that the 5d3 sensor is not a significant improvement over the 5d2 and after waiting 4 (f'ing) years for the update, that's disappointing or as Lloyd put it, "boring".
So, yes, for 3500 dollars the camera is a bit underwhelming(boring)
So.... How 'bout that 1d X?
However, the 1DX is definitely not a camera for me.... for me, It just serves as a symbol of what Canon is capable of.
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Going to Japan in late October will be getting the 1DX before i go hope price and availability in Aust will ok by then,it will be a good upgrade from the 1D3 , can't wait for the camera and the Japan trip.
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
There's a big shock. Canon went all out with the 5D2's sensor and crippled it with a POS body and AF system last round. Now they went all out on body and AF with the 5D3, and crippled the sensor. You mean to tell me companies intentionally position their products to fit within specific subsets of users and price points? What an outrage!
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Woke up this morning to find, as expected, a lot of posts in this thread, but boy was it hard work wading through all the D800 and 5D Mark III posts!
I thought the review was very interesting, although I just wish he had kept hold of his 1D Mark IV a little longer so we could have had side by side comparisons of those two cameras.
Am looking forward to even more reviews in the weeks to come.
I thought the review was very interesting, although I just wish he had kept hold of his 1D Mark IV a little longer so we could have had side by side comparisons of those two cameras.
Am looking forward to even more reviews in the weeks to come.
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Drizzt321 said:
That's what pretty much everyone else does in the electronics (or most other manufacturing) industry. Not saying I personally agree with the policy, at least in so much as the working conditions and pay are, from what I understand, mostly pretty horrible, unsafe, and they are paid almost nothing. Not saying it has to be up to US standards of pay (depending on local costs of living & such), but they really should be safe and have some decent pay.
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I live in China, and I'm American. My wife owns a small factory and she sells products to several larger factories, so I have access to several large factories(usually Chinese motorcycle and other engine making factories, nothing anyone in the US has heard of.)
These factories are very very nice and as safe as most any factory around the world(with a little less worry than the US about insurance, etc.)
Pay is not almost nothing, it's actually pretty decent at most large factories.
I have not been to Foxconn, or anything like that... but from the factories I have seen personally, which are not huge international brands(and IMO more likely to be below US standards than Nikon, Canon, Apple factories,) the people are treated very well and have fine working conditions. The pay is average or above average overall for China.
Most people are paid around 200-400 dollars a month. Yes, 400 dollars a month is not much for America... But outside of camera gear, electronics, and fancy foreign food and alcohol, I easily live on 400 dollars a month in China.... And I order tortilla chips online and go out to fancy western bars. I can take my wife to an awesome dinner that is huge(we cant finish it) for 4 dollars. A coca cola is 40 cents here. My phone bill is 6 dollars a month for unlimited minutes and texting. The people who are paid 200 dollars are usually very old and work because they have worked their whole lives and have nothing else to do. There are a couple 75 year old men at my wife's factory that are paid about 200 dollars a month(much less than others.) They were given apt's long ago by the state, and the factory provides meals, pays utilities, etc. These people often don't need to work, and they really don't do much at the factory. They simply help when they can, do paperwork, clean. Many old people here feel that if they quit working, they will die. Often old people who live with their now rich children will go out in the day and collect recycling from garbage cans. Not because they NEED money, but because they want to be active and they feel that people are just throwing away money(recycling is $ to them.) It is part of their culture and they don't want to do nothing.
I am sure that there are factories that are below standards, pay less, are unsafe and do illegal things. But this is not the majority and I can guarantee that it is not the case at Nikon or Canon factories in China....
Me and my wife often talk about Foxconn and are confused about what is going on there, and why they are having such problems. The large motorcycle factories I have seen are exactly the same as large factories I have seen in the US(I used to work in a large mfg facility in Seattle for 2 years.)
Additionally, because of the rise in the middle class, there is a huge shortage of low cost labor here in China so factories are rapidly increasing their pay to attract more workers.
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I live in China, and I'm American. My wife owns a small factory and she sells products to several larger factories, so I have access to several large factories(usually Chinese motorcycle and other engine making factories, nothing anyone in the US has heard of.)EchoLocation said:
These factories are very very nice and as safe as most any factory around the world(with a little less worry than the US about insurance, etc.)
Pay is not almost nothing, it's actually pretty decent at most large factories.
I have not been to Foxconn, or anything like that... but from the factories I have seen personally, which are not huge international brands(and IMO more likely to be below US standards than Nikon, Canon, Apple factories,) the people are treated very well and have fine working conditions. The pay is average or above average overall for China.
Most people are paid around 200-400 dollars a month. Yes, 400 dollars a month is not much for America... But outside of camera gear, electronics, and fancy foreign food and alcohol, I easily live on 400 dollars a month in China.... And I order tortilla chips online and go out to fancy western bars. I can take my wife to an awesome dinner that is huge(we cant finish it) for 4 dollars. A coca cola is 40 cents here. My phone bill is 6 dollars a month for unlimited minutes and texting. The people who are paid 200 dollars are usually very old and work because they have worked their whole lives and have nothing else to do. There are a couple 75 year old men at my wife's factory that are paid about 200 dollars a month(much less than others.) They were given apt's long ago by the state, and the factory provides meals, pays utilities, etc. These people often don't need to work, and they really don't do much at the factory. They simply help when they can, do paperwork, clean. Many old people here feel that if they quit working, they will die. Often old people who live with their now rich children will go out in the day and collect recycling from garbage cans. Not because they NEED money, but because they want to be active and they feel that people are just throwing away money(recycling is $ to them.) It is part of their culture and they don't want to do nothing.
I am sure that there are factories that are below standards, pay less, are unsafe and do illegal things. But this is not the majority and I can guarantee that it is not the case at Nikon or Canon factories in China....
Me and my wife often talk about Foxconn and are confused about what is going on there, and why they are having such problems. The large motorcycle factories I have seen are exactly the same as large factories I have seen in the US(I used to work in a large mfg facility in Seattle for 2 years.)
Additionally, because of the rise in the middle class, there is a huge shortage of low cost labor here in China so factories are rapidly increasing their pay to attract more workers.
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Nice to learn something today.
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I live in China, and I'm American. My wife owns a small factory and she sells products to several larger factories, so I have access to several large factories(usually Chinese motorcycle and other engine making factories, nothing anyone in the US has heard of.)EchoLocation said:
These factories are very very nice and as safe as most any factory around the world(with a little less worry than the US about insurance, etc.)
Pay is not almost nothing, it's actually pretty decent at most large factories.
I have not been to Foxconn, or anything like that... but from the factories I have seen personally, which are not huge international brands(and IMO more likely to be below US standards than Nikon, Canon, Apple factories,) the people are treated very well and have fine working conditions. The pay is average or above average overall for China.
Most people are paid around 200-400 dollars a month. Yes, 400 dollars a month is not much for America... But outside of camera gear, electronics, and fancy foreign food and alcohol, I easily live on 400 dollars a month in China.... And I order tortilla chips online and go out to fancy western bars. I can take my wife to an awesome dinner that is huge(we cant finish it) for 4 dollars. A coca cola is 40 cents here. My phone bill is 6 dollars a month for unlimited minutes and texting. The people who are paid 200 dollars are usually very old and work because they have worked their whole lives and have nothing else to do. There are a couple 75 year old men at my wife's factory that are paid about 200 dollars a month(much less than others.) They were given apt's long ago by the state, and the factory provides meals, pays utilities, etc. These people often don't need to work, and they really don't do much at the factory. They simply help when they can, do paperwork, clean. Many old people here feel that if they quit working, they will die. Often old people who live with their now rich children will go out in the day and collect recycling from garbage cans. Not because they NEED money, but because they want to be active and they feel that people are just throwing away money(recycling is $ to them.) It is part of their culture and they don't want to do nothing.
I am sure that there are factories that are below standards, pay less, are unsafe and do illegal things. But this is not the majority and I can guarantee that it is not the case at Nikon or Canon factories in China....
Me and my wife often talk about Foxconn and are confused about what is going on there, and why they are having such problems. The large motorcycle factories I have seen are exactly the same as large factories I have seen in the US(I used to work in a large mfg facility in Seattle for 2 years.)
Additionally, because of the rise in the middle class, there is a huge shortage of low cost labor here in China so factories are rapidly increasing their pay to attract more workers.
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Interesting...thanks for sharing..
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dilbert said:
Well. then this says a lot about the 5D2 users who stay on hold by now. Well, uh maybe I'll wait it out then as well...as long as my 30D is nicely clicking...Pricetag is unlikely to come down...and three to four years from now...they cannot rely on the same sensor tech. If that is true, Canon could have kept the 5D3 at 3k...but somehow they gotta get their R&D investement back for the 1Dx ... :-\
P.S.: Just wonder what sensor tech will be included in the rumored high MP count body!
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One thing i got out of that video that I can use on the 5d3... in the menu system, he said to jump from one tabbed menu to the other without going through each submenu, pressing the q button jumps you over... I'm sure it was somewhere in the monstrous 5d3 manual, but i either overlooked it looking for meatier tidbits of information or missed it alltogether... anywho it works for the 5d3 as well. I was getting tired going through every submenu to get to the next tab in the menu...
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I live in China, and I'm American. My wife owns a small factory and she sells products to several larger factories, so I have access to several large factories(usually Chinese motorcycle and other engine making factories, nothing anyone in the US has heard of.)EchoLocation said:
These factories are very very nice and as safe as most any factory around the world(with a little less worry than the US about insurance, etc.)
Pay is not almost nothing, it's actually pretty decent at most large factories.
I have not been to Foxconn, or anything like that... but from the factories I have seen personally, which are not huge international brands(and IMO more likely to be below US standards than Nikon, Canon, Apple factories,) the people are treated very well and have fine working conditions. The pay is average or above average overall for China.
Most people are paid around 200-400 dollars a month. Yes, 400 dollars a month is not much for America... But outside of camera gear, electronics, and fancy foreign food and alcohol, I easily live on 400 dollars a month in China.... And I order tortilla chips online and go out to fancy western bars. I can take my wife to an awesome dinner that is huge(we cant finish it) for 4 dollars. A coca cola is 40 cents here. My phone bill is 6 dollars a month for unlimited minutes and texting. The people who are paid 200 dollars are usually very old and work because they have worked their whole lives and have nothing else to do. There are a couple 75 year old men at my wife's factory that are paid about 200 dollars a month(much less than others.) They were given apt's long ago by the state, and the factory provides meals, pays utilities, etc. These people often don't need to work, and they really don't do much at the factory. They simply help when they can, do paperwork, clean. Many old people here feel that if they quit working, they will die. Often old people who live with their now rich children will go out in the day and collect recycling from garbage cans. Not because they NEED money, but because they want to be active and they feel that people are just throwing away money(recycling is $ to them.) It is part of their culture and they don't want to do nothing.
I am sure that there are factories that are below standards, pay less, are unsafe and do illegal things. But this is not the majority and I can guarantee that it is not the case at Nikon or Canon factories in China....
Me and my wife often talk about Foxconn and are confused about what is going on there, and why they are having such problems. The large motorcycle factories I have seen are exactly the same as large factories I have seen in the US(I used to work in a large mfg facility in Seattle for 2 years.)
Additionally, because of the rise in the middle class, there is a huge shortage of low cost labor here in China so factories are rapidly increasing their pay to attract more workers.
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China is a huge country with a massive population. And while I believe that what you're saying about your experience with local factories where you live China is true, I also think you are whitewashing (inadvertently perhaps) what is a VERY large problem with the Chinese manufacturing system as a whole.
It doesn't take much time to do a Google search and cull a whole lot of information about labor conditions in China. The NYTimes blog posting below is a fairly "lightweight" exposé compared to other articles/reports I've read.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/q-and-a-with-li-qiang-of-china-labor-watch/
BTW, I have a friend who lives and owns a bar in Shanghai, and generally loves living there.
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dilbert said:
Yeah, although to be fair, sometimes a little knowledge is a dangerous thing so a semi-insider may have a view or assemble some bits of info in ways that in the end are actually distorted from reality.
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helpful said:
If by "troll" you were referring to me, well, helpful, I am no troll. My "China" post was in response to someone who suggested that since "all manufacturers" are outsourcing to a low wage, and sometimes abused workforce, that that is somehow OK--because we, the more privileged, reap the benefits by getting discounts on electronic gear (including cameras). And that relates to the 5DM3 references in this thread that wax on about "value" in relation to bells and whistles. "Why should I have to pay $XXX more for something that is only 'marginally' better than the last version...?" Why? Because the price of EVERYTHING has gone up CONSIDERABLY over the past 4 years since the 5D2 was released. That the price went up for the next iteration reflects economic reality. For me, the "marginal" improvements to the 5DM3 are well worth the extra cost. And, personally, I'm not interested in saving a few bucks off someone else's hardship--aka, the underpaid and overworked laborers of the world.
As an aside to the 5DM3 price bemoaners (and to trollishly belabor the point even more):
I put new tires on my car earlier this week. The last time I replaced the tires on the car was 4 years ago. I went to the same local tire shop both times. The tires I bought were the identical brand and model that I bought 4 years ago. Same tires, same shop. The difference... PRICE! 4 years ago they cost $610 (mounting, balancing and tax included). This time I paid $750--ON SALE! Now one might say, "You got gouged because there were no improvements. Why pay more?" But I say that's how much prices for my particular tire brand and model have increased over the past 4 years. I say that with confidence because I know the people at the tire shop. Been going there for years and they have ALWAYS done me right--actually they have quite a stellar business reputation in general.
So my point is that the Mark II's original $2700 price tag compared to the Mark III's $3500 price tag is more or less right in line with general price increases for almost EVERYTHING over the past 4 years. That the Mark III actually has notable improvements over the Mark II makes the price increase seem even more reasonable to me.
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