Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’re told that Canon is aiming for a March 2016 announcement for the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV. Which will be just before the NAB show in Las Vegas in April.</p>
<p>We’re told that once the EOS 5D Mark IV is announced and shipping, that the EOS 5DS, and EOS 5DS R will get a relatively quick update by Canon standards. The new 5DS series camera(s) will get the new 5D4 body ergonomics as well as an updated image sensor, maybe a <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-develops-aps-h-size-cmos-sensor-with-approximately-250-megapixels/">version of this one</a>? . Yes, “quick” is a relative term, but it does make sense.</p>
<p>We keep hearing about an 18mp sensor we <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/canons-full-frame-future-cr2/">originally reported back in the spring</a>, though we’re not sure what camera such a sensor could appear in, or if it’ll be a consumer product at all. With <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/the-nikon-d5-has-leaked/">Nikon putting a 20mp sensor into the D5</a>, I guess anything is possible for the EOS-1D X Mark II or a version of the EOS 5D Mark IV. It could potentially appear an upcoming full frame mirrorless camera from Canon as well.</p>
<p>We’ve received a few other bits of information about the EOS 5D Mark IV, but we’re waiting to hear more before we publish them.</p>

 

[Alangeli]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Who wants an 18MP Canon EOS 5D Mark IV or mirrorless FF ?? :-(

 

[Canon Rumors]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Who wants an 18MP Canon EOS 5D Mark IV or mirrorless FF ?? :-(

Same people that want a 12mp high ISO sensor in an A7S

 

[H. Jones]

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See, for me I'd choose 28 mp and slightly better ISO than 18 with super better ISO. I'm very happy with my 5D3's noise levels, I just photographed a wrestling match last night at ISO 16,000 and it looked darn good online and in the paper.

Sure, we always downsize to 2,000 pixels on the long end for print, but the reality is that when I don't use a supertelephoto lens and only have my 70-200mm with me I will end up cropping, and it's much more functional to me to be able to crop into a better image than to simply have a lower-resolution image that really won't look too different in print/web uses.

 

[sanj]

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I dont anticipate 5ds/r being updated so soon. Highly improbable.

 

[zim]

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We’ve received a few other bits of information about the EOS 5D Mark IV, but we’re waiting to hear more before we publish them.

Awww come on....... BOOOOO!!!! ;D

 

[Chaitanya]

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Eagre to see what kind of video features canon adds into the mk4. I record a lot of video of behaviour of cold blooded animals and for having 4K is just an option for maybe cropping in post to get more mag or correcting other mistakes.

 

[Jesse]

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[PureClassA]

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18MP doesn't make any sense. I don't see that being received very well by 5 series users. Probably just a sensor they are using to test other features. Even if they did a breakout dedicated Cinema version, 18MP still doesn't make sense given even 4k is only 8.8MP. Why make a dedicated cinema camera with twice as many pixels as required? Sony has the best formula for that in the 12 MP A7s. I'd think Canon would want to go that direction if they did it.

And updating the 5DS a year after release? That WOULD be weird for Canon, although if they could now produce an even much better 50MP sensor, I suppose it makes sense. I would only hope they also create some sort of upgrade program for current 5DS/R owners.

Either way this is certainly shaping up to the Canon's Year of the DSLR. If March really is the 5D4 then that adds credence to the 1DX2 in January and perhaps even the 6D2 in late summer/fall.

 

[gsealy]

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A lot, I mean A LOT of people are not going to be happy with a 5Ds upgrade after they spent the better part of $4K for the existing ones.

 

[IsaacImage]

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Its actually make a lot of sense ,
They got rid from old 5d mk III bodies stock with the new 5ds/r sensor inside.
And now once they made a few changes to 5d mk IV, Canon is going to address those changes to new 5ds/r.
And they will end up with some cash in hand once again

 

[privatebydesign]

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18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

 

[PureClassA]

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If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

 

[privatebydesign]

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If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

Because 18 is 'better' than 12, simple as that, even if in reality it isn't. A 5DC would still be required to shoot great stills and three choices hits the consumer choice button.

5DC, 5D MkIV and 5DSR II, and drop the 5DS.

 

[K]

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I find the update to the 5DS line to be highly unlikely.

If it does happen, many who went out and bought the original and who are the types to always want the latest and greatest will dump those bodies.

Also, prices on the "old body" will plummet. Who wouldn't want an updated sensor and body?

We might see 5DS old body clearance sales for near $2K. Resale for existing owners will be terrible and they will be pissed.

I doubt any of that will happen.

I can definitely see a significant firmware update happening. But not a new body and updated sensor. If Canon decided on that body, they probably committed to offering it for at least a couple more years.

It will also anger existing owners. Canon isn't in the style of Nikon offering up incremental updates.

Who knows though?

Doesn't effect me. I never buy early on. I wait for prices to come down, and for bugs/recalls to clear first. I'm not in the market for a 5DS type body, but if i were, this kind of rumor would make me hold off a while.

 

[PureClassA]

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I hear ya. I just would assume that a dedicated C version would, like Sony, favor a non-binning 4k. Plus the 12MP would still take great images with fabulous high ISO. I not a big SOny fan, but I think they really hit a smart play with the a7S. I'd like to see Canon do something there.

If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

Because 18 is 'better' than 12, simple as that, even if in reality it isn't. A 5DC would still be required to shoot great stills and three choices hits the consumer choice button.

5DC, 5D MkIV and 5DSR II, and drop the 5DS.

 

[Stu_bert]

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Tend to agree. 18MP would make sense if Canon are following their "tailored" approach to bodies, with the assumption that there will still be an all-round higher MP version.

If they can compete with the a7s (not better it, just compete), and they can keep their costs sensible by not having too many (core) differences, then it makes sense.

Replacing the 5ds - yes if they offer a conversion for a nominal fee, otherwise I cannot see Canon being this silly. Sony and Nikon would fall off their chairs laughing based on the negative press.

I just hope they have stuff available close to the announcement date and the review sites get quick access (other than Dxo, lulu and dpreview, lol)

 

[Maximilian]

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Who wants an 18MP Canon EOS 5D Mark IV or mirrorless FF ?? :-(

I am more in the 18 MP camp than in the 30+MP camp.
That's the reason why a 5 Ds/R exists and why Sony is splitting their a7 series.

But right now you can only say that the rumor mill is starts rolling. Nothing more.

 

[ahsanford]

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CR Admin, this is a pretty confusing posting in that three major product lines were referred to intermittently, alongside a fairly cavalier FF mirrorless 'by the way' sort of comment.

So, just distilling all that down, do we read this as:

• There will be three-ish different 5D cameras in a future state - the high-res 5DS cameras (the current ones or a refresh someday), a more balanced natural successor to the 5D3, and a low MP 5D variant for video?
  
  
• The 1DX or 1DX II processor might be in one of those two not-highest-res models?

Did I get that right? Is that what you were saying?

- A

 

[roxics]

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If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

Debayering. So long as they capture the whole image and downsample to 4k in camera without line skippping or anything like that.

Shooting 8MP for 4K is only going to give you 4:2:0 color. If you want 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 you have to start higher with bayer pattern sensors.

Even if you are ultimately saving to a 4:2:0 file, you'll still get a better image if you start with more color space.