Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

[Jopa]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I have a little concern if they're going to update the 5ds(r) next year... It's almost "just released", and it's a lovely camera, especially paired with the 200/f2 and 300 f/2.8. But whatever, if they make the v2 with even better sensor (I assume better DR?) - I'm in, where do I pre-order?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

It's a lovely parlor trick, but as an enthusiast and not a pro, 'saving my bacon when I completely s--- the bed' is not something I value so much. I sure as hell wouldn't convert all my stuff to another brand for something so nutty and left field as that. A pro whose livelihood depends on not blowing a never-to-happen-again shot (wedding receptions, reportage, wildlife, etc.) may feel otherwise.

- A

Once again you make it sound like the main reason for the extra DR is to save the one of shots that get blown. While that can be very nice, for many that is not the main reason at all. There are plenty of scenes, that when exposed perfectly, simply need more DR. Don't forget that high DR monitors are coming out soon too.

 

[JMZawodny]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I just hope all of the 5D variants and the new 1Dx2 come out reasonably close together or we at least get some firmer CR2 level spec rumors for each. Otherwise, I'll just try to sit on the sidelines until I can make an informed decision about which one(s) meet my needs/expectations/budget.

 

[pedro]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Who wants an 18MP Canon EOS 5D Mark IV or mirrorless FF ?? :-(

Same people that want a 12mp high ISO sensor in an A7S

dead on

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I'd love to see sales figures:
5Ds vs 5Ds-R vs A7R-II
XC10 vs RX10-II

 

[RGF]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

before I decide I would like to see what the 5D IV offers. Screen resolution, DR, high ISO performance.

I'll be very interested to see how the 5D IV complements the 5DS.

Also how the 5DS will be updated to include body features from the 5D IV.

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

Because 18 is 'better' than 12, simple as that, even if in reality it isn't. A 5DC would still be required to shoot great stills and three choices hits the consumer choice button.

5DC, 5D MkIV and 5DSR II, and drop the 5DS.

As a 5DS owner since October I would be Pi**ed off if a. they replaced the 5DS / 5DSr that quickly and b. if they dropped the 5DS not everyone wants to risk Moire. The cameras are £ 2999 / £ 3100 customers deserve some lifespan.

 

[Tugela]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

Because 18 is 'better' than 12, simple as that, even if in reality it isn't. A 5DC would still be required to shoot great stills and three choices hits the consumer choice button.

5DC, 5D MkIV and 5DSR II, and drop the 5DS.

As a 5DS owner since October I would be Pi**ed off if a. they replaced the 5DS / 5DSr that quickly and b. if they dropped the 5DS not everyone wants to risk Moire. The cameras are £ 2999 / £ 3100 customers deserve some lifespan.

If the competition moves on, Canon does as well. Your camera won't stop working, it just will not be the latest generation any more. Given the option of (A) making you feel good by having a camera that is around a long time before being replaced or (B) being able to still sell cameras because a newer product is competitive, I'm pretty sure they are going to go with (B)

 

[JMZawodny]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Canon has likely seen how successful Apple has been getting consumers to spend way too much on a new phone only to have it become "obsolete" a year later when the new model comes out. Their customers are not "p1ssd" because what they bought was the best when they bought it. A good number of them also upgrade religiously. Similarly, if Canon does indeed replace the 5Ds(R) with a newer better model soon, some who did not buy the original may buy the new one and a few of those that did buy the original will upgrade. Canon would be irresponsible as a company if they did not continue to entice folks to part with their money. This is how business works.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

If they make a dedicated cinema model (5DC), why would 18MP make sense? Why not just make it truly dedicated and go 12ish like Sony with 8.8 active for FF 4K? Not arguing. Just genuinely curious to your opinion.

18MP makes perfect sense in a 5DC.

Because 18 is 'better' than 12, simple as that, even if in reality it isn't. A 5DC would still be required to shoot great stills and three choices hits the consumer choice button.

5DC, 5D MkIV and 5DSR II, and drop the 5DS.

As a 5DS owner since October I would be Pi**ed off if a. they replaced the 5DS / 5DSr that quickly and b. if they dropped the 5DS not everyone wants to risk Moire. The cameras are £ 2999 / £ 3100 customers deserve some lifespan.

If the competition moves on, Canon does as well. Your camera won't stop working, it just will not be the latest generation any more. Given the option of (A) making you feel good by having a camera that is around a long time before being replaced or (B) being able to still sell cameras because a newer product is competitive, I'm pretty sure they are going to go with (B)

The 5DS/R share some of the 5D MkIII parts, this makes manufacturing sense, I'd be surprised if a 5DS/R refresh wasn't forthcoming a few months after the 5D MkIV to maintain that economy for manufacturing.

 

[jarrodeu]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

As a 5DS owner since October I would be Pi**ed off if a. they replaced the 5DS / 5DSr that quickly and b. if they dropped the 5DS not everyone wants to risk Moire. The cameras are £ 2999 / £ 3100 customers deserve some lifespan.

I would be a little irritated as well, however, it would do nothing to diminish the capabilities or reduce the lifespan of the 5DS that you currently own. It would all really be in your head.

Jarrod

Edit: I see someone else said the same thing before me.

 

[jrista]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Who wants an 18MP Canon EOS 5D Mark IV or mirrorless FF ?? :-(

Same people that want a 12mp high ISO sensor in an A7S

True, however classically the 5D line is a higher resolution line. I think a lot of people would be rather miffed if the 5D IV showed up with 12mp, regardless of how good the high ISO was. I think the 5D IV should land somewhere in the 24-28mp range, and if a high ISO monster with a more reasonable price than the 1D X II is desired, it should be a different camera...maybe the 6D II? Or 6D L (for low light)?

 

[Mac Duderson]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

18MP! ;D I was just telling my buddy yesterday I would kill for them to go 18MP or 20MP most. Shooting weddings, it never ends buying drives for all the files and would hate having bigger files. Lots of my friends hated when Nikon went 36MP in the D800 and I jumped ship after years of shooting Nikon and ended up buying 5D2's which I still use today. I was already tired of Nikon's color for my style of shooting so that was the final straw. I still love everything about Canon's color in my 5D2's.
After lots of thought and testing I never upgraded to the 5D3's and REALLY hope the 5D4 is going to be under 24MP. If it is then I will finally upgrade. Pretty excited about this. ;D

 

[kony]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Great, I hope 5D Mark III becomes cheaper now and I can buy it

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

LOL you can't write the "f word" on here?

Even if you could, do you really think you should? Is it really necessary? Isn't the culture already crude enough?

I like the fact it isn't allowed here.

Years ago a neighbor came over to the guy's house across the street as the guy was working on his car. The neighbor was cussing a blue streak. My friend, working on the car, very calmly sent his daughter and my daughter over to my house (They were 6). As soon as they were inside he beat the living daylights out of the neighbor and told him to never speak that way in front of women and children again. The neighbor apologised and we never heard him do it again.

These days too many men haven't any idea how to behave like gentlemen in from of women and children. Now the women are getting just as bad. Sad.

 

[expatinasia]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

LOL you can't write the "f word" on here?

Even if you could, do you really think you should? Is it really necessary? Isn't the culture already crude enough?

I like the fact it isn't allowed here.

Totally agree.

Back to the 5D Mark IV, while I have no interest in that particular camera I am interested in what possible updates the rumour is suggesting with regards to the 5DS and 5DSR.

This alone, makes me wonder whether this should be more CR1 than the CR2 which it currently is.

If they update the 5DS/R so quickly after release there could be a lot of very unhappy people around.

Or would they do what they did for the C100 and offer a paid upgrade - so it is still the 5DS/R and not the 5DS/R II)?

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I don't think updating a model makes the older model obsolete. I bought my 5D Mark III knowing it was getting ready to be replaced. It won't be obsolete to me until I decide I don't want to use it anymore. That's going to be several years away. It doesn't stop being a great camera just because something newer or "better" came along.

I'd sure hate to be Canon. On the one hand people gripe all the time that Canon is too slow to innovate.

On the other hand are the people upset when Canon updates a model faster than they would like.

The only reason I can figure anyone who bought a 5DS or 5DSR would be upset by this is because maybe they can't walk around saying they have the latest and greatest anymore. If that is the case, then the camera is more about status than about making beautiful images.

Nothing wrong with that if that is what floats the boat for you. Just don't blame Canon.

You can please all of the people some of the time.
You can please some of the people all of the time.
BUT, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

The 5DS and 5DSR are still awesome cameras, right?

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I agree. Also....I am not going to run out and spend $4000 on a 5DMarkIV even if the shadows are vastly improve. ...I will wait a year or two. The 5DIII is a VERY capable camera for my needs. Very capable.

I'm with you. I've found that the lenses make the biggest difference. Skipping a body upgrade or two can buy a lot of nice glass or other nice gear. Even gets close to buying a great white.

 

[suburbia]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

As a 5DS owner since October I would be Pi**ed off if a. they replaced the 5DS / 5DSr that quickly and b. if they dropped the 5DS not everyone wants to risk Moire. The cameras are £ 2999 / £ 3100 customers deserve some lifespan.

They are not going to cancel your camera!

 

[Stu_bert]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Not to disagree, but I do...

The previous thread was for 2 models, not an 18MP low ISO model only. the 5D IV would be the logical successor to the MK III

The 1Ds range is not High MP in comparison to the 1Dx but it was against the 1D - but I do agree it is about the target market - hence the view of 2 bodies

And the 5D range was not high MP either originally, sure it became that. The view was thus the Ds would have the high MP, the IV would continue to be the all around, and the C would be low ISO/better video.

Would there not be economies of scale based on the 6D II and other models which will have similar innards to avoid too many woes for Canon?

Fortunately we should all know by easter