Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Go to a camera shop and try the the D810 and 5D MkIII, the 5D MkIV won't be much different...

How do you know the 5D MkIV won't be much different? It isn't even announced yet.

I don't think it will be a 5D MkIV. They'll call it the 5DX w/ 10-12 frames per second, touch/swivel screen, DPAF, etc. The 1Dx MkII will have 20 frames per second.

Of course, neither have been announced yet.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Go to a camera shop and try the the D810 and 5D MkIII, the 5D MkIV won't be much different...

How do you know the 5D MkIV won't be much different? It isn't even announced yet.

I don't think it will be a 5D MkIV. They'll call it the 5DX w/ 10-12 frames per second, touch/swivel screen, DPAF, etc. The 1Dx MkII will have 20 frames per second.

Of course, neither have been announced yet.

I don't know but Canon are, if nothing else, conservative and consistent. The 5D to 5D MkII was conservative, the 5D MkII to 5D MkIII, whilst being a very good upgrade, was again conservative. Why would the MkIV not be? The 5D line has a very strong history and marketing goodwill, there is no way on earth Canon are going to throw that away, there is no way they will ever make a "5DX" either, a 5DC possibly, but a 5DX never.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Hi Privatebydesign,


I have tried D810 in shop and really like the feel of it. Canon 5d Mark III, I assume will feel the same as my Mark II.

Thanks, Pendu

Mark 3 fits the hand better than the mark two, the grip is ergonomically better. Also there is a significant upgrade in the build quality ( and weight). Definitely try one before you make your decision.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

How was the 5D -> 5D Mk II conservative?

That step introduced ......a 75% increase in resolution.

The 5D image size in pixels is 4368 x 2912. The 5DII is 5616 x 3744 so the image is about 30% larger than the original, and so the increase in resolution is half that. So in this case a 15% increase.

 

[Proscribo]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

How was the 5D -> 5D Mk II conservative?

That step introduced ......a 75% increase in resolution.

The 5D image size in pixels is 4368 x 2912. The 5DII is 5616 x 3744 so the image is about 30% larger than the original, and so the increase in resolution is half that. So in this case a 15% increase.

Someone was tired when writing this?
When there's about 30% more pixels vertically and horizontally then there's total of 60% more pixels.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

How was the 5D -> 5D Mk II conservative?

That step introduced ......a 75% increase in resolution.

The 5D image size in pixels is 4368 x 2912. The 5DII is 5616 x 3744 so the image is about 30% larger than the original, and so the increase in resolution is half that. So in this case a 15% increase.

Someone was tired when writing this?
When there's about 30% more pixels vertically and horizontally then there's total of 60% more pixels.

No, I'm not referring to area, I'm referring to resolution in terms of vertical and longitudinal lines. The 5DII has around 14% more 'resolution' than the original 5D.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

How was the 5D -> 5D Mk II conservative?

That step introduced ......a 75% increase in resolution.

The 5D image size in pixels is 4368 x 2912. The 5DII is 5616 x 3744 so the image is about 30% larger than the original, and so the increase in resolution is half that. So in this case a 15% increase.

It is a 28.5% increase in both directions... so really you need to do 1.28*1.28 to get the real increase, just as we do N*1.6*1.6 to translate APS-C on Canon to FF on Canon for effective MP counts.

4368 * 2912 = 12719616
5616 *3744 = 21026304
21026304/12719616 =1.65 (approx)

The 70% was from me rounding the MP count down to 12 and 21.

Wrong. You too are confusing resolution with area, though I don't think Proscribo was referring to resolution with his comment.

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I read lot of reviews and youtube videos and learn that Nikon D810 has better DR and better camera overall compare to Canon 5D Mark III.

Ahhhh the Internet, the fountain of Truth. Many internet reviewers believe the D810 is a better overall camera because it has more low ISO DR. It's also important to consider motivation. Internet reviewers put food on their table with revenue from ads and click-through purchases, so there's a financial incentive to recommending a newer camera. On the other hand, photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810.

 

[penduboy]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Hi Neuroantomist,

Do you know if it is possible to set minimum and maximum ISO range for Canon 5d Mark III as we can don on D 810. Say I want to shoot manual and instead of setting my ISO to 100 can I specify camera to use Auto ISO but stay within 100 to 800 range?

Thanks, Pendu

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Hi Neuroantomist,

Do you know if it is possible to set minimum and maximum ISO range for Canon 5d Mark III as we can don on D 810. Say I want to shoot manual and instead of setting my ISO to 100 can I specify camera to use Auto ISO but stay within 100 to 800 range?

Thanks, Pendu

Yes, on the 5DIII you can set a range (min and max values) for Auto ISO.

 

[penduboy]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Excellent! Is it only available in Manual mode or can I use it in Av and Tv mode as well?

Also, can I set it to any numbers (of course within the Camera native ISO range) or do i need to pick predefined ranges in camera settings.

Thanks, Pendu

 

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

You can set values anywhere in the native (non-expanded) range – 100-12800 for minimum, 200-25600 for maximum. You are limited to full stop settings (e.g. 100 or 800, not 160 or 2500).

The range you set generally applies in Av, Tv, P and M. If you mount a Speedlite or set Bulb mode, ISO is fixed at 400 (in Auto, you can manually set whatever ISO you want).

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Excellent! Is it only available in Manual mode or can I use it in Av and Tv mode as well?

Also, can I set it to any numbers (of course within the Camera native ISO range) or do i need to pick predefined ranges in camera settings.

Thanks, Pendu

Pages 125- 127 of the manual.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/lit_files/42005.pdf

I'd suggest downloading it from the link and reading it.

 

[penduboy]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Thanks both of you for the confirmation. I think this is very neat feature and not sure if lot of people know about this. I googled it and couldn't find the right answer.

Thanks a lot, Pendu

 

[Gino]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]



I sure hope Canon doesn't cripple the 5D MKIV with a small buffer to the SD card slot, like they did with the 5D MarkIII! I just shot some action shots today with my 5D MKIII (shooting full RAW files to both card slots), and I forgot how bad the buffer is, especially compared to my 1DX!

Assuming the 5D MKIV will shoot 7 fps, it should have a buffer for at least 35 RAW files to be shot before the buffer is full!

My other big request for the 5D MKIV is easy to see red LED autofocus points in the viewfinder regardless of which autofocus settings are enabled. Black autofocus points are not exactly easy to see in poor lighting conditions!?!?

thanks

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

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No, I'm not referring to area, I'm referring to resolution in terms of vertical and longitudinal lines. The 5DII has around 14% more 'resolution' than the original 5D.

My math says 29%:

5616/4368 = 3744/2912 = 1.2857

or to do it differently..

(3744-2912)/2912 = .2857

Even if you are referring to some other test, the increase from 5D -> 5D2 is going to be larger than any other in-series camera upgrade offered by Canon.

But you now agree the 5DII doesn't have 75% more resolution than the original 5D
(In round figures it has 60% more pixels, produces an image that is 30% larger, and is capable of 15% greater resolving power).

In the light of this revelation here's a little test for you: how much more resolution has the 50 mp 5Ds got over the 3 mp Canon D30 ?

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

...
You men are funny. Each of you are doing nothing but speculating. Then you debate your speculations as though they really mean something. "I'm right because of this or that happening in the past." None of you know when or why Canon does what it does. Debating such is fruitless. Then when Canon does something somebody says, " See, I was right. I predicted this." No, you just got lucky this time. That's all. The truth is that none of you know what the heck is going on in the organization. You know absolutely nothing. So, quit getting your panties in a wad over it.

"...the only part that is unknown is product to market scheduling and what the details in those products are.

That's just about everything, isn't it? That isn't the small thing you are making it out to be. Especially not the "details in those products" which is decided before manufacturing.

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Go to a camera shop and try the the D810 and 5D MkIII, the 5D MkIV won't be much different...

How do you know the 5D MkIV won't be much different? It isn't even announced yet.

I don't think it will be a 5D MkIV. They'll call it the 5DX w/ 10-12 frames per second, touch/swivel screen, DPAF, etc. The 1Dx MkII will have 20 frames per second.

Of course, neither have been announced yet.

I don't know but Canon are, if nothing else, conservative and consistent. The 5D to 5D MkII was conservative, the 5D MkII to 5D MkIII, whilst being a very good upgrade, was again conservative. Why would the MkIV not be? The 5D line has a very strong history and marketing goodwill, there is no way on earth Canon are going to throw that away, there is no way they will ever make a "5DX" either, a 5DC possibly, but a 5DX never.

Never make a 5DX? Why not? If the 5DIV has a fast frame rate (Like the 7D II) why not name it the 5DX? Ten frames per second and an X on the end of the naming will not destroy the 1DX market.

Yup, it is going to be a 5DX.

The "IV" in the naming is bromidic. An "X" on the end of the name will make it a better camera and will shock and inspire even you. The "X" would bestow a certain cachet, don't you think?

Even better... the 5DZ!

A fast frame rate on the 5D line is sorely needed.

 

[JMZawodny]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Go to a camera shop and try the the D810 and 5D MkIII, the 5D MkIV won't be much different...

How do you know the 5D MkIV won't be much different? It isn't even announced yet.

I don't think it will be a 5D MkIV. They'll call it the 5DX w/ 10-12 frames per second, touch/swivel screen, DPAF, etc. The 1Dx MkII will have 20 frames per second.

Of course, neither have been announced yet.

I don't know but Canon are, if nothing else, conservative and consistent. The 5D to 5D MkII was conservative, the 5D MkII to 5D MkIII, whilst being a very good upgrade, was again conservative. Why would the MkIV not be? The 5D line has a very strong history and marketing goodwill, there is no way on earth Canon are going to throw that away, there is no way they will ever make a "5DX" either, a 5DC possibly, but a 5DX never.

Never make a 5DX? Why not? If the 5DIV has a fast frame rate (Like the 7D II) why not name it the 5DX? Ten frames per second and an X on the end of the naming will not destroy the 1DX market.

Yup, it is going to be a 5DX.

The "IV" in the naming is bromidic. An "X" on the end of the name will make it a better camera and will shock and inspire even you. The "X" would bestow a certain cachet, don't you think?

Even better... the 5DZ!

A fast frame rate on the 5D line is sorely needed.

Time to grab a bag of popcorn, sit back, and enjoy the fireworks ...

 

[quod]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I read lot of reviews and youtube videos and learn that Nikon D810 has better DR and better camera overall compare to Canon 5D Mark III.

Ahhhh the Internet, the fountain of Truth. Many internet reviewers believe the D810 is a better overall camera because it has more low ISO DR. It's also important to consider motivation. Internet reviewers put food on their table with revenue from ads and click-through purchases, so there's a financial incentive to recommending a newer camera. On the other hand, photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810.

Speaking of truth, what are your citations of authority for your statement that "photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810"? Your hubris has no bounds.