Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

[Loswr]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I read lot of reviews and youtube videos and learn that Nikon D810 has better DR and better camera overall compare to Canon 5D Mark III.

Ahhhh the Internet, the fountain of Truth. Many internet reviewers believe the D810 is a better overall camera because it has more low ISO DR. It's also important to consider motivation. Internet reviewers put food on their table with revenue from ads and click-through purchases, so there's a financial incentive to recommending a newer camera. On the other hand, photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810.

Speaking of truth, what are your citations of authority for your statement that "photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810"? Your hubris has no bounds.

Inference based on market share, manufacturer statements about sales of their FF models, and limited publicly available sales data. Feel free to argue the opposite point – I'm sure you can cite lots of claims of authority on how much more low ISO DR the D810 delivers, and we all know the huge impact that low ISO DR has had on market share over the years.

Your pithy comments always add so much to these discussions!

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Anecdotal I know but round my neck of the woods wedding shooters seem to be about 6 Canon to 3 Nikon to 1 Sony. I don't have the slightest idea why each of them chose their particular option and I also know that is a very small sample.

Of very little interest to most I am sure but I see more Canon 200 f2/1.8 lenses than Sony cameras on the pro wedding circuit, indeed if the photographer is into exotic glass, 50 f1.2, 85 f1.2, 35 f1.4, 200 f2/1.8 it is exclusively on a Canon camera even though Nikon do make some of that range (though not enough).

For architecture they are all Canon and medium format, I don't know a single architecture shooter using Nikon or Sony.

For real estate Sony is making good inroads, I know several real estate shooters that shoot Sony.

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I read lot of reviews and youtube videos and learn that Nikon D810 has better DR and better camera overall compare to Canon 5D Mark III.

Ahhhh the Internet, the fountain of Truth. Many internet reviewers believe the D810 is a better overall camera because it has more low ISO DR. It's also important to consider motivation. Internet reviewers put food on their table with revenue from ads and click-through purchases, so there's a financial incentive to recommending a newer camera. On the other hand, photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810.

Speaking of truth, what are your citations of authority for your statement that "photographers put food on the table by taking good pictures, and more of them use a 5DIII than a D810"? Your hubris has no bounds.

I'm not sure you know what hubris means. Those are just the facts, ma'am.

 

[xps]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

An mystic posting from Canon w a t c h.

http://www.*********.com/the-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-might-not-be-what-you-expect-cw3/

Let´s have a look, what is coming....


By the way:
canon w a t c h was erased after posting.... ist kindisch! Canon rumors forum is the most popular. I do not know, why they have to do this

 

[Sporgon]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

An mystic posting from Canon w a t c h.

http://www.*********.com/the-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-might-not-be-what-you-expect-cw3/

Let´s have a look, what is coming....


By the way:
canon w a t c h was erased after posting.... ist kindisch! Canon rumors forum is the most popular. I do not know, why they have to do this

Had a look at the report on *********; I'm still thinking that this is pointing to an interchangeable prism camera, one a normal pentaprism and the other an EVF. Two 'different' models that can actually be made the same as each other. Fitting the EVF automatically locks up the mirror and the sensor is equipped with DPAF, primarily for video but there's nothing to stop someone who wants to shoot stills that way.

The reason I think that this would come to the 5 series rather than the 1 series is that it seems to me that 5 series are used much more for video than 1.

Just seen that ******** has been changed to *********. Come on guys, you're not that frightened of them are you ?

 

[pedro]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I guess it's still up and it says:

I guess this should be categorised under “weird rumor”. I would normally not give it much credit, but since it comes from a source known to me, I post it.

What’s going on with the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV? The 5D4 is likely the most secretive Canon DSLR I’ve seen so far. I am not even sure it will be named “EOS 5D Mark IV”. It’s the “Mark IV” that’s puzzling here.

The number four (4) is considered unlucky in Japanese culture because it is sometimes pronounced “shi“, which is also a word for death. Indeed, as far as I know, there is only one Canon DSLR having the “Mark IV” after the moniker, it’s the Canon EOS-1D Mark IV. If there are Japanese readers who want to add something, please do it in the comment section. I’ll be glad for any additional information. Should I have misunderstood something about Japanese culture (which I greatly esteem), then I apologise.

We might not see a EOS 5D Mark III replacement that’s a Mark IV version of this highly popular Canon full-frame camera. This may also give some sense to the many contradicting EOS 5D Mark IV rumors we saw during 2015, starting with a rumor I am beginning to take even more seriously, saying we will see two different models for the EOS 5D Mark III replacement. Canon already did a model split with the EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R.

Will the EOS 5D Mark III replacement feature 4K video? That’s another controversial point. I got hints it will, but if the EOS-1D X Mark II gets 4K (and it is likely it will), then I doubt Canon will feature it also on the EOS 5D Mark III replacement.

One final thing. While the source I am citing here didn’t deliver any specs, it was suggested that the EOS 5D Mark III replacement will be “something very new” that breaks with the previous line-up. I don’t think this means the end of the EOS 5D series, but it might point to the beginning of a new line-up, even if it is still a “Canon 5D” DSLR line-up. Pretty confusing, isn’t it?

I was not sure about the rating of this rumor. I dare to give it a CW3+. And I am curious to know what you think about this.

5d41dx2

 

[kaihp]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

The number four (4) is considered unlucky in Japanese culture because it is sometimes pronounced “shi“, which is also a word for death.

Four have same negative meaning in Chinese, which makes sense because part of the Japanese characters were inherited from Chinese (the Kenji, if I got it right).
Japanese four: 四 Chinese four: 四 (sì [sharp/short downward tone])
Japanese death: 死 Chinese 'to die': 死 (sǐ [down-then-up tone]).
Transliterations of the Japanese four/death is the same (shi) as Japanese isn't a tonal language (Chinese is tonal).

OK, language class is over for now

 

[whothafunk]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

People actually mix camera development and superstition. Please log off in the above right corner..

 

[kaihp]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

People actually mix camera development and superstition. Please log off in the above right corner..

When superstition becomes culture, it's worth considering - assuming you want to understand the culture.

You won't find row 13 on an airplane, or a 13th floor. That's superstition too, but you are just too immersed in the culture to notice it.

It's the same with China and Japan. They just don't like the number four: I have lived in Hotels that doesn't have floors with 4 in it (4, 14, 24, 34, 40-49, 54 and so on).

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

The number four (4) is considered unlucky in Japanese culture because it is sometimes pronounced “shi“, which is also a word for death.

Four have same negative meaning in Chinese, which makes sense because part of the Japanese characters were inherited from Chinese (the Kenji, if I got it right).
Japanese four: 四 Chinese four: 四 (sì [sharp/short downward tone])
Japanese death: 死 Chinese 'to die': 死 (sǐ [down-then-up tone]).
Transliterations of the Japanese four/death is the same (shi) as Japanese isn't a tonal language (Chinese is tonal).

OK, language class is over for now

There is another version for 4 in Japanese. It's called "yon". There is also a famous camera called the 1D Mark-IV ... So it appears that any argument of Canon not willing to 5D Mark-IV is not based on evidence and reason.

 

[jrista]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I guess it's still up and it says:

I guess this should be categorised under “weird rumor”. I would normally not give it much credit, but since it comes from a source known to me, I post it.

What’s going on with the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV? The 5D4 is likely the most secretive Canon DSLR I’ve seen so far. I am not even sure it will be named “EOS 5D Mark IV”. It’s the “Mark IV” that’s puzzling here.

The number four (4) is considered unlucky in Japanese culture because it is sometimes pronounced “shi“, which is also a word for death. Indeed, as far as I know, there is only one Canon DSLR having the “Mark IV” after the moniker, it’s the Canon EOS-1D Mark IV. If there are Japanese readers who want to add something, please do it in the comment section. I’ll be glad for any additional information. Should I have misunderstood something about Japanese culture (which I greatly esteem), then I apologise.

We might not see a EOS 5D Mark III replacement that’s a Mark IV version of this highly popular Canon full-frame camera. This may also give some sense to the many contradicting EOS 5D Mark IV rumors we saw during 2015, starting with a rumor I am beginning to take even more seriously, saying we will see two different models for the EOS 5D Mark III replacement. Canon already did a model split with the EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R.

Will the EOS 5D Mark III replacement feature 4K video? That’s another controversial point. I got hints it will, but if the EOS-1D X Mark II gets 4K (and it is likely it will), then I doubt Canon will feature it also on the EOS 5D Mark III replacement.

One final thing. While the source I am citing here didn’t deliver any specs, it was suggested that the EOS 5D Mark III replacement will be “something very new” that breaks with the previous line-up. I don’t think this means the end of the EOS 5D series, but it might point to the beginning of a new line-up, even if it is still a “Canon 5D” DSLR line-up. Pretty confusing, isn’t it?

I was not sure about the rating of this rumor. I dare to give it a CW3+. And I am curious to know what you think about this.

5d41dx2

I don't buy into this. Canon has had different names for different camera models in different countries in the past. If there is a superstitious connotation to the number 4 in Japan and China, Canon could easily name the camera something different in those countries, however I suspect Canon USA, as well as US customers, would still prefer the 5D Mark IV moniker for this camera. Nothing else really makes sense. The 5D X skips far too many numerals, as were not at the tenth incarnation of this camera yet. Skipping the fourth and going to the fifth doesn't really seem logical either because you'll leave a huge number of countries around the world wondering what happened to the 5D 4. If your going to skip numbers, and it's all based on superstition, why not skip to six, which is considered a lucky number among many superstitions (including Chinese mythologies)?

Eh, I'm quite skeptical that Canon will skip the number 4 because of some regional superstitions. Even if they do, Canon USA and Canon Japan have often named cameras differently (just look at the Rebel line), and I figure that is probably a more likely outcome.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

D500 also does 4k so what the heck is Canon's excuse with all the talk about how they still see 4k as only a 1DX2 level feature if the rumors are to be believed?

And the Sony A7R II already delivers not just 4k, but oversampled very high quality (other than being unfortunately stuck at 8bit instead of 10bit) 4k.

Oh and then with Canon's latest not low end P&S they were bragging about how it had 720P video (and it has no RAW stills)!

 

[Deleted member 377074]

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Any ideas on what KIND of 4K video might be available in the 1dx2 & 5D4? Would it be on par with the 1DC? Or more like the gimmicky 4K of a smartphone, drone cam or GoPro?

I'm guessing it will be an 8-bit, 4:2:0 pixel-binning, moire mess like like every video-capable DSLR (not counting the 1DC, which is 24p only), but I'd be delighted to be wrong.

Seems that thus far, not a single DSLR or prosumer mirrorless camera can produce anything internally (at any resolution) beyond 8bit/4:2:0. Is that true? Seems like that would be no more difficult than making a camera that can shoot 4K.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Any ideas on what KIND of 4K video might be available in the 1dx2 & 5D4? Would it be on par with the 1DC? Or more like the gimmicky 4K of a smartphone, drone cam or GoPro?

I'm guessing it will be an 8-bit, 4:2:0 pixel-binning, moire mess like like every video-capable DSLR (not counting the 1DC, which is 24p only), but I'd be delighted to be wrong.

Seems that thus far, not a single DSLR or prosumer mirrorless camera can produce anything internally (at any resolution) beyond 8bit/4:2:0. Is that true? Seems like that would be no more difficult than making a camera that can shoot 4K.

And therein lies the rub, the devil is not in the headline features, it is in the detail of those features. All 4K is not equal, neither is AF capability measured by the number of points you have, the spread, type and sensitivity are far more important, but 150 sounds so much better than 60!

 

[K-amps]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Chatter on the 5d4 gone quiet....

Are we still on for a "relatively quick" update on the 5Ds ?

Canon is touting latitude for the 1dx2, is that a veiled reference to better base iso noise? If so, I would be very excited about an updated 5dsr... or 30mp 5d4... heck I would consider buy some new lenses along with that. a 17 TSE and MPE-65 seem very interesting.

 

[Maiaibing]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Chatter on the 5d4 gone quiet....

It will come - but thankfully I'm not waiting for it anymore...

Are we still on for a "relatively quick" update on the 5Ds ?

? We are in 2016 not 2020

 

[Luxter]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Chatter on the 5d4 gone quiet....

I am hoping for some more rumors on the 5DX/5DMkIV now that the 80D specs have been released

 

[K-amps]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

Are we still on for a "relatively quick" update on the 5Ds ?

? We are in 2016 not 2020

There was mention that this might happen, personally I think it should. If Canon has put the ADC on Die... and it does provide the 'latitude' they claim (another veiled reference in the 80D, about new miniaturization process) then they could kick start the 5 series this year, with a new 5d4 all-rounder (D750 killer) and 5Ds Hi-Rez Hi DR Landscape body plus an updated 7Dii to combat the D500. They can be called the 5D4, the 5DSn and the 7Diin.... in proper Canon Tradition....

 

[Ozarker]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

As a 5DS owner since October I would be Pi**ed off if a. they replaced the 5DS / 5DSr that quickly and b. if they dropped the 5DS not everyone wants to risk Moire. The cameras are £ 2999 / £ 3100 customers deserve some lifespan.

They are not going to cancel your camera!

You know what, I think I'd be pissed too if the 5DS/DS-R got replaced next year. It would mean that the current models were developed while their successors were almost at the production stage. Making money is great, but alienating your best customers is never a great idea. If it happens, I'd like to see an exchange offer for $500 or less. Yeah, yeah, I know, keep dreaming.

Aren't Canon's best customers the 1DX owners with loads of L glass? I'm not trying to be a smart alec.

Honestly, it is my guess (and only my guess) that the Rebel owners are Canon's best customers. Nice inexpensive DSLRs (for the masses) with very low manufacturing costs, with probably a much higher profit margin and fantastically higher sales volume. At high school sports events they are everywhere. Even the teenagers are running around with them.

Dummy me, I went through 2 Rebels (XSi, T5i), mountains of EFs lenses, then went to my 70D (which I really like) and finally the 5D Mark III and all L glass except for the stm lens that came with the T5i.

I remember buying the XSi kit at Costco and thinking to myself that I had a real luxury item and could never imagine buying anything else. It really seemed like a lot of money for a camera. My wife was pissed! She almost never gets angry, but she was over that little XSi.

My point is this: For about four years you could say I was one of Canon's best customers. Unless I win the lottery I won't be getting the 400, 600, or 800 great whites (I would dearly love to get those. At least the 600) I won't be getting the other 8 / 600EX-RT speedlites I want either (Just to say I did and watch my sweet wife roll her eyes at me).

The only things I could imagine upgrading at this point is a new body every 6 or 7 years. That makes me a nearly used up customer. Me upgrading a body every 6 or 7 years means little to Canon in the grand scheme of things. It was getting me to this point that meant something to them. Mission accomplished.

If I am happy with the camera body I have I don't care if Canon brings out something better the next week. For me, skipping a generation or two on a body makes a lot of sense to me right now.

It is the glass I really care about. Except for not having the Great Whites... I am very happy where I am. I truly am blessed to have what I have. Got it all before career ending injuries got me last year. Couldn't even get a nifty 50 right now if I wanted one. But I am happy and that is a nice place to be. I get to hug and kiss my sweet wife of 34 years every day.

I can make some pretty darn good photos with what I have. Upgrading bodies every 4 years won't change that. Be happy you have what you have. That next upgrade might not be in your future. I live on $990 a month now. I'm lucky to keep the lights on every month. Thankfully the internet is included in the rent.

My challenge is going to be trying to turn my hobby into a money maker. I've got to do that with what I already have and the soccer moms with their Rebels are brutal ($35 for a shoot and disk of photos?). Got to carve out a niche that they are not covering. (And no... I will not do weddings!) I think there is a niche for fine art portraits in the area. Soccer mom's can hardly compete with that.

Still, when new gear comes out... dreaming is very nice.

Actually, I would love 2 more Flashpoint Streaklights. They are real nice. I mean REAL NICE. I'd trade two 600EX-RTs (Maybe three) for two of those... even steven.

 

[tron]

Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV & 5DS Talk [CR2]

I dont anticipate 5ds/r being updated so soon. Highly improbable.

I agree with you. It's too early for this. I believe Canon will let them be for a period of 2.5 to 3 years (from release) at least.