Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Talk [CR2]

[OPG]

I'll definitely remember that the next time I need to get out of my armchair and walk into my studio! ;D

I'll also remember that that image is from the studio of Marcelo Isarrualde. I mean really... :

It's the thought of a well designed studio that counts! ;D
Thanks for knowing the name. I was looking all over for it.

You. Are. So. Busted!

It has got nothing to do with a well designed studio! You tried to pass that off as your own studio, and that is pathetic.........

Wow.

Let's add to the long list of condemning. Unbelievable the way that the quote tree structure works. This post was made in reply to a previous comment as a sarcastic example. This is a public opinion forum. Nothing was solicited, passed as something else with a different name, no names were mentioned from both ends, no copyright infringement for personal gain, image wasn't downloaded from a source website, and nothing was doctored, edited, or forged. The image was posted on another forum as an example about light configuration studio set-ups with no mention of copyright to any photographer or where the original source was. The original post was made to be an example of something elaborate with ironic comedy. I mentioned this before, but with quote block witch-hunting, it will go on and on as something else. Even going back and changing the original post doesn't help. Apologizing doesn't make a difference either when people only adopt the "never forgive, and never forget" consequence.

Moving on.

 

[kevl]

Of my friends that shoot video for a living, not a single one of them uses a DSLR anymore, they've all moved on to Sony video stuff or Cinema EOS. Obviously this isn't a large sample size, but even talking to friends in the rental business, the growth has been in video gear and they don't see anywhere near as many DSLRs going out for video productions.

The reason your friends have switched to Sony for video is the same reason most people switched to the Canon 5D II for video when it came on the scene.

It isn't because "5D buyers' suddenly wanted to shoot video, it is because it was the best product. Very few people use a 5D to shoot video now because it is at least a couple of generations behind in technology now. From DN, to noise, to resolution, to codec... it is the wrong choice for video. No 5D buyer is buying the 5D for video now, not because they don't want to do video but because it can't do video well in the current market. We still need to have a 5D (or similar body) because we do stills, only now we need a $3400CAD camera for stills and a $1,000 camera for video.

The ONLY reason not to put 4K in the 5D IV is to increase the perceived value of the 1Dx II and other 4K capable future products in the minds of a very small minority of people who don't have 4K in every other camera in their house next year. I can't imagine very many people buying the 1Dx II for video... it will be an added capability, and that's exactly what should be on the 5D IV as well.

I don't do video. I don't intend on doing video. However, it would be really nice if I could do it with my next camera should I need to do video. It isn't that the 5D IV needs to have 4K, it is that it is almost rude of Canon not to put it in.

That being said, I'm glad to hear that it will have more than 24MP. I'm still hoping for 28MP.

 

[Loswr]

I'll definitely remember that the next time I need to get out of my armchair and walk into my studio! ;D

<snip image of not your studio>

I'll also remember that that image is from the studio of Marcelo Isarrualde. I mean really... :

The original post was made to be an example of something elaborate with ironic comedy. I mentioned this before, but with quote block witch-hunting, it will go on and on as something else. Even going back and changing the original post doesn't help. Apologizing doesn't make a difference either when people only adopt the "never forgive, and never forget" consequence.

Moving on.

In fact, the original post was a clear and manifest implication that the image was of your studio. As for apologizing not making a difference, well...I notice that you didn't even make the attempt.

Pathetic.

 

[kaptainkatsu]

I'd like to see a full frame version of the 7D mark ii. 22-28mp, better iso performance, ~10fps, focus points that cover more of the frame (either by spacing them out more or adding more).

As for video, I'm on the fence. 4K would be nice, but it won't be a deal breaker for me. I'd rather buy or rent a cinema EOS for heavy video work. It was a shame the c100 mark ii didn't have 4K.

For my next camera, I'm really considering buying a 1DX mark ii for the high speed full frame sensor, but if the 5D mark iv can do around 10fps, I'd much rather buy two of those than just one 1DX mark ii.

 

[OPG]

I'll definitely remember that the next time I need to get out of my armchair and walk into my studio! ;D

<snip image of not your studio>

I'll also remember that that image is from the studio of Marcelo Isarrualde. I mean really... :

The original post was made to be an example of something elaborate with ironic comedy. I mentioned this before, but with quote block witch-hunting, it will go on and on as something else. Even going back and changing the original post doesn't help. Apologizing doesn't make a difference either when people only adopt the "never forgive, and never forget" consequence.

Moving on.

In fact, the original post was a clear and manifest implication that the image was of your studio. As for apologizing not making a difference, well...I notice that you didn't even make the attempt.

Pathetic.

Give it a rest will you.
That's the problem with forums, even if you try to correct something,
the following banter will still arise:

Me: I'm sorry.
You: You only said "I'm sorry" because you got caught. Pathetic.

Entrapment after entrapment.

 

[Etienne]

Here's why the 5D4 has to have 4K video, at least for me:

I have to travel as light as possible, and cover both video and photography, so a lot of gear is required. I'd really like a combo of a 5D4, C100 III, and a XF200. But they all have to match up to 4K video, and at least one of them has to offer high frame rate for slomo. It would be sooo much nicer to have all of this provided in the Canon environment to match the majority of my lenses, and also because I love Canon color and Canon's ergonomics.

But Sony is offering the FS5 now. And Sony appears to be going gang busters to give bang-for-your-buck in video.

Down deep, I am rooting for Canon to blow me away. But Sony is winning.

 

[Solar Eagle]

But is that actually true? A lot of folks say it's the total sensor size that matters. Per pixel noise goes up with smaller pixels (as far as I've been led to believe) but the overall image doesn't suffer when viewed at the same size (i.e. *not* 100% zoom, but e.g. printed on the same size paper). The A7s series is optimised for video; judging by DPR test scenes, its high ISO performance isn't much different from other Sony cameras when normalised to the same size (see attached).

Go look at the shadow area's of this normalized test scene and you will see the difference.

High ISO Compared: Sony A7S vs. A7R vs. Canon EOS 5D III

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4613822764/high-iso-compared-sony-a7s-vs-a7r-vs-canon-eos-5d-iii

 

[Loswr]

I'll definitely remember that the next time I need to get out of my armchair and walk into my studio! ;D

<snip image of not your studio>

I'll also remember that that image is from the studio of Marcelo Isarrualde. I mean really... :

The original post was made to be an example of something elaborate with ironic comedy. I mentioned this before, but with quote block witch-hunting, it will go on and on as something else. Even going back and changing the original post doesn't help. Apologizing doesn't make a difference either when people only adopt the "never forgive, and never forget" consequence.

Moving on.

In fact, the original post was a clear and manifest implication that the image was of your studio. As for apologizing not making a difference, well...I notice that you didn't even make the attempt.

Pathetic.

Give it a rest will you.
That's the problem with forums, even if you try to correct something,
the following banter will still arise:

Me: I'm sorry.
You: You only said "I'm sorry" because you got caught. Pathetic.

Entrapment after entrapment.

The problem with forums...people who lie, then when called on it refuse to apologize, then lie again claiming they did.

Try this: admit your mistake, apologize, then move on. Seems a few important life lessons have passed you by so far.

 

[privatebydesign]

Entrapment after entrapment.

Er, not even close. Entrapment is when somebody is induced to fulfill an action that they were otherwise unlikely to have done.

I see nothing to suggest you were encouraged, induced, goaded, or subverted in any way. It is a straightforward case of plagiarism, and that is something any creative individual should be acutely aware of and sensitive to.

Forums are forums, some are good and some are bad. CR on the whole a pretty good one and I, as creative individual, would be immensely disappointing if this kind of thing was accepted or became a norm, which was why I added my voice to clarksbrother's comment after he first pointed your plagiarism out.

 

[scyrene]

But is that actually true? A lot of folks say it's the total sensor size that matters. Per pixel noise goes up with smaller pixels (as far as I've been led to believe) but the overall image doesn't suffer when viewed at the same size (i.e. *not* 100% zoom, but e.g. printed on the same size paper). The A7s series is optimised for video; judging by DPR test scenes, its high ISO performance isn't much different from other Sony cameras when normalised to the same size (see attached).

Go look at the shadow area's of this normalized test scene and you will see the difference.

High ISO Compared: Sony A7S vs. A7R vs. Canon EOS 5D III

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4613822764/high-iso-compared-sony-a7s-vs-a7r-vs-canon-eos-5d-iii

There's definitely less colour noise in the A7s in that comparison. But is that due to the number/size of pixels?

 

[OPG]

Entrapment after entrapment.

Er, not even close. Entrapment is when somebody is induced to fulfill an action that they were otherwise unlikely to have done.

I see nothing to suggest you were encouraged, induced, goaded, or subverted in any way. It is a straightforward case of plagiarism, and that is something any creative individual should be acutely aware of and sensitive to.

Forums are forums, some are good and some are bad. CR on the whole a pretty good one and I, as creative individual, would be immensely disappointing if this kind of thing was accepted or became a norm, which was why I added my voice to clarksbrother's comment after he first pointed your plagiarism out.

 

[privatebydesign]

Entrapment after entrapment.

Er, not even close. Entrapment is when somebody is induced to fulfill an action that they were otherwise unlikely to have done.

I see nothing to suggest you were encouraged, induced, goaded, or subverted in any way. It is a straightforward case of plagiarism, and that is something any creative individual should be acutely aware of and sensitive to.

Forums are forums, some are good and some are bad. CR on the whole a pretty good one and I, as creative individual, would be immensely disappointing if this kind of thing was accepted or became a norm, which was why I added my voice to clarksbrother's comment after he first pointed your plagiarism out.

I was just making a rational comment about the conduct of people on a place I frequent. There is a vast range of skill sets here, not just photographically speaking, and to put up with falsehoods and plagiarism is not something I want to do.

When caught you act like some persecuted innocent, when that doesn't wash you come back with "Entrapment, entrapment" and then stuff like this. Pathetic.......

 

[Solar Eagle]

There's definitely less colour noise in the A7s in that comparison. But is that due to the number/size of pixels?

The whole point in making a 12MP full frame sensor with such large pixels is for low light sensitivity. I know you mentioned the video performance of the A7s but here's another line from Sony's marketing material on it: Explore new frontiers of imaging expression with the α7S, combining phenomenal sensitivity (up to ISO 409600 with ultra low noise. That means a lack of light no longer limits your artistic range.

 

[Don Haines]

Entrapment after entrapment.

Er, not even close. Entrapment is when somebody is induced to fulfill an action that they were otherwise unlikely to have done.

I see nothing to suggest you were encouraged, induced, goaded, or subverted in any way. It is a straightforward case of plagiarism, and that is something any creative individual should be acutely aware of and sensitive to.

Forums are forums, some are good and some are bad. CR on the whole a pretty good one and I, as creative individual, would be immensely disappointing if this kind of thing was accepted or became a norm, which was why I added my voice to clarksbrother's comment after he first pointed your plagiarism out.

Entrapment is when you exit your canoe in a rapid and get entangled in something under the water

 

[Solar Eagle]

Continuing to respond/defend yourself is just drawing more attention to the situation. You better just quietly delete your account and make a new one. ;D

 

[Mitch.Conner]

Continuing to respond/defend yourself is just drawing more attention to the situation. You better just quietly delete your account and make a new one. ;D

He could do that, or we could forgive him for making a mistake before the thread gets shut down.

Come on guys. It's the holiday season.

 

[OPG]

Continuing to respond/defend yourself is just drawing more attention to the situation. You better just quietly delete your account and make a new one. ;D

He could do that, or we could forgive him for making a mistake before the thread gets shut down.

Come on guys. It's the holiday season.

Thank you! I apologize. I took down the photo, I deleted the post. It won't happen again.

 

[privatebydesign]

Continuing to respond/defend yourself is just drawing more attention to the situation. You better just quietly delete your account and make a new one. ;D

He could do that, or we could forgive him for making a mistake before the thread gets shut down.

Come on guys. It's the holiday season.

Thank you! I apologize. I took down the photo, I deleted the post. It won't happen again.

Welcome to CR OPG

 

[Loswr]

Thank you! I apologize. I took down the photo, I deleted the post. It won't happen again.

Appreciated, forgiven, forgotten.

Welcome!

 

[photo212]

Let's applaud Canon for striking the 4K video nonsense from a still camera. It keeps the price down for the rest of us, and that is a great thing! For those wanting a video camera, here's my suggestion: Buy a video camera.

As far as more megapickles, dill or kosher, I'm full of pickles. I do not need more. I do not really want more. Fills memory cards faster. Takes longer to download/upload. Means my late-2010 desktop is getting poised for a forced upgrade.

Better quality sensors, not quantity. 18MP will do fine. 22MP great, maybe even 24MP, but then the curve turns downhill for me. I'm paying for things I do not need. Just as the 50MP 5Ds revealed, many Canon lenses are not up to the task of resolving the light that tightly. More costs in getting the latest and greatest Version II or III. I will gladly pay for less noise and more dynamic range. That is the quality I seek.

I realize others have differing opinions for their personal wants and needs. The cost of one size fits all is too high.

I think a 2010 PC is going to start creaking in the near future anyway...

But you could always shoot Mraw/Sraw on a higher res sensor, if you're concerned about memory and bandwidth?

Never said a 2010 PC.
Six-core Mac Pro Tower

mRAW would be significantly less than existing sensors - generally about half the native megapixels. Again, paying for more than necessary. I'm sure someone out there thinks the 5Ds is not enough at 50MP and wants 80MP or 100MP. Great for them, but I really do feel going beyond 24MP is overkill for what many people need.