Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Talk [CR2]

[bdunbar79]

Sell, i call a spade a spade and an AF system to me is "better" if it helps photographers getting a higher percentage of perfectly focussed shots ... in all sorts of situations and conditions. Being able to see in the viewfinder, whether/which AF point/s are active and on the subject is relevant to me, even if you happen to think otherwise.

Isn't the 5D3 missing a proper servo tracking AF illumination and linked metering? In that regard, the NIkon AF system is better, isn't it? I've heard nothing but amazing things about the D750 and D810. It was the D800 AF that was a mess.

Except those things have absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy and precision of the AF system. So no, they do not have better AF systems.

Interesting. I've never had a problem with it. If you can't see the AF point then you really are in trouble anyways. Since the AF systems in the D8x0 are worse, the AF won't lock on anyways. It probably won't with the 5D3 either. You're nitpicking little stupid things again ignoring the larger advantage, higher precision points of the 5D3's system over the other brands to make some point that no one is falling for. The core of an AF system is the precision and the ability to track, of which the 5D3 is superior.

 

[privatebydesign]

Isn't the 5D3 missing a proper servo tracking AF illumination and linked metering? In that regard, the NIkon AF system is better, isn't it? I've heard nothing but amazing things about the D750 and D810. It was the D800 AF that was a mess.

Except those things have absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy and precision of the AF system. So no, they do not have better AF systems.

LoL, what?

That's quite a silly stretch to discredit the advantages of the features.

Who cares if the points are illuminated or the spot-metering is linked if the shots are OOF, or you can't track a player on a dimly lit field jumping over another player? I'd rather get the shot, wouldn't you? So yes, speaking strictly from the AF system, it's discredited. I get paid by the photo.

That is the point so many internet pundits and experts miss, and why there is such a difference of opinions on so many aspects of the gear wars.

 

[Sinjunb]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

 

[timmy_650]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

Have you looked into Black Magic Camera? You can use your EF lens and they are priced well.

 

[Sinjunb]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

Have you looked into Black Magic Camera? You can use your EF lens and they are priced well.

I have. I shoot a lot in natural and low light situations, and I wasn't crazy about its performance there in the tests I've seen. The a7s comes out looking much better IMO.

 

[Etienne]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

I'm in the very same position. I use the 5D3 for both photography and video. I bought my first Sony video camera last year, the PXW-X70. I also considered the Canon XF-200 but it was more money and under-spec'd. I considered the C100 mkII, but it too is under-spec'd. Now I am seriously considering the Sony FS5 when it comes out, and if I go that route it may be the watershed move for me from Canon to Sony for good. I'll start replacing my Canon lenses with stuff that works better on the Sony systems, probably get an A7 for photography and back-up video.
I had real high hopes for the C100mkII, but Canon really holds back the features, I was a bit shocked at their stingy approach.
2016 will probably the deciding year for whether I flip from Canon to Sony.

 

[Don Haines]

About the video....well....everybody has a point here...It would do no harm if 4K is there...but i think stills photographers do not care if it isn´t, because the full HD wiil do good for their purposes of some pontual films. If they can make a cheaper machine without the 4k, please Canon, leave 4K behind!!

4K would require CFast card slots. A pair of 32GB CFast cards costs at least U.S.$250 w/ S&H. SD & CF cards cost nothing, because I already paid for those.

So, unless 4K actually reduces camera price by U.S.$250, keep it out.

Not true, the 1DC uses regular CF cards, the Panasonic GH4 uses SD cards, clearly CFast is not "required" for 4k.

A GoPro saves 4K to micro SD cards......

 

[Don Haines]

One correction though, screen LCD resolution is quoted in kilodots not kilopixel. A pixel is made up of at least three dots. R,G,B.

Good point!
I stand corrected. Thanks!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Just finished up processing some images of a politician and his family for Christmas which I shot on my 5D3 with two speed lights in their home. I controlled the lighting, kept it very safe and low contrast, and was able to get the entire shoot setup, shot, and all the gear out the door in 42 minutes and the files are freaking awesome.

There is zero need for improvement on any level for this kind of shooting with the 5D3 it is simply perfect for the job.

If I had been shooting with a D810 I may have let a bit more contrast in on my lighting, but probably not because keeping the shoot speedy was important. The more you use contrast in your lighting of a group the more potential there is for problems to happen on location.

I'm sharing this because the limitations of the 5D3 are really only limitations if you don't shoot correctly.

All fair until you ended with the part I bolded.

So basically if people shoot simple scenes where you can control the light you are shooting correctly, if you say, get out into nature and shoot some large scale scene, you are shooting incorrectly and thus facing non-existent limitations??

 

[clarksbrother]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

+1 on pretty much everything there. I had a definite need for 4K immediately so a few months back I got a GH4. (Of course Sony came out with their A7S II right after...) Adapting the Canon lenses wasn't too bad and the metabones works reasonably well. I still like shooting with my 5D Mark II much better. The GH4 does a good job, but it just doesn't..."feel" as nice. Maybe it's the form factor or that I've taken nearly a million shots on the 5D Mark II... Either way, if there's no 4K on the Mark IV, I'll begrudgingly look elsewhere and start transitioning over my lenses to a new system.

Also - as far as the BlackMagic stuff goes - their interfaces and ergonomics are generally crap IMO unless you're spec-ing the system out on rails. Almost completely worthless for anything run-n-gun. Same goes for photos on it.

Also - FWIW - Sigma now offers a lens mount conversion service. Sigma has been impressing quite a few people with their lenses these days, especially their art line. Not a bad idea to purchase a Sigma in the future in case you need to convert over the mount to a new system.

 

[privatebydesign]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

+1 on pretty much everything there. I had a definite need for 4K immediately so a few months back I got a GH4. (Of course Sony came out with their A7S II right after...) Adapting the Canon lenses wasn't too bad and the metabones works reasonably well. I still like shooting with my 5D Mark II much better. The GH4 does a good job, but it just doesn't..."feel" as nice. Maybe it's the form factor or that I've taken nearly a million shots on the 5D Mark II... Either way, if there's no 4K on the Mark IV, I'll begrudgingly look elsewhere and start transitioning over my lenses to a new system.

Also - as far as the BlackMagic stuff goes - their interfaces and ergonomics are generally crap IMO unless you're spec-ing the system out on rails. Almost completely worthless for anything run-n-gun. Same goes for photos on it.

Also - FWIW - Sigma now offers a lens mount conversion service. Sigma has been impressing quite a few people with their lenses these days, especially their art line. Not a bad idea to purchase a Sigma in the future in case you need to convert over the mount to a new system.

If you want Canon's 'cheap' 4k option, here it is http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1134581-REG/canon_0565c013_xc10.html

The 5D MkIV will not have 4k, the 1DX MkII will, start "transitioning".

 

[pedro]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

+1 on pretty much everything there. I had a definite need for 4K immediately so a few months back I got a GH4. (Of course Sony came out with their A7S II right after...) Adapting the Canon lenses wasn't too bad and the metabones works reasonably well. I still like shooting with my 5D Mark II much better. The GH4 does a good job, but it just doesn't..."feel" as nice. Maybe it's the form factor or that I've taken nearly a million shots on the 5D Mark II... Either way, if there's no 4K on the Mark IV, I'll begrudgingly look elsewhere and start transitioning over my lenses to a new system.

Also - as far as the BlackMagic stuff goes - their interfaces and ergonomics are generally crap IMO unless you're spec-ing the system out on rails. Almost completely worthless for anything run-n-gun. Same goes for photos on it.

Also - FWIW - Sigma now offers a lens mount conversion service. Sigma has been impressing quite a few people with their lenses these days, especially their art line. Not a bad idea to purchase a Sigma in the future in case you need to convert over the mount to a new system.

If you want Canon's 'cheap' 4k option, here it is http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1134581-REG/canon_0565c013_xc10.html

The 5D MkIV will not have 4k, the 1DX MkII will, start "transitioning".

Concerning the fact, that Canon only have a 1" sensor fix lens cam to offer for 4K video within a lower priced segment and then up next the top level DSLR to do this, is just a tad too much of product diversification IMHO...The çK 5DIV without that is a huge let down to thousands of photographers who helped make the 5D line what it is known for. Canon made enough profit out of them to give something back. I know, this is an irrational way of thinking but I couldn't keep from speaking it out...

 

[melbournite]

The 5D MkIV will not have 4k, the 1DX MkII will, start "transitioning".

Is that fact?

 

[pedro]

The 5D MkIV will not have 4k, the 1DX MkII will, start "transitioning".

Is that fact?

Or should I say a rumored fact ? ;-)

 

[3catsinky]

When I was trying to decide if I should buy a C100MKII this past January, i couldn't swallow that price tag of yesteryear tech, no matter how good the camera is. I shoot both stills and video, and ended up in the Samsung camp with the NX1. Like other's have said, I really don't want to switch to Sony, but now with the demise of Samsung, it's unknown where their sensors will end up, and it's possible they may wind up in future Nikon products, which means 4K capability at Nikon at a nice price point. Canon would be foolish not to put 4K into the 5D IV.

 

[StudentOfLight]

A lot of the comments here are baffling. I'm a professional videographer/cinematographer and I use a 5D3. I only just this month lost my first gig for not having a 4k camera, clients have been more than happy with my 5D3 for almost 2 years now. Why am I not using a 1DC? Because I can't afford it. It's over $5k more than a 5D3, and that's the cheapest camera in Canon's line that provides a noticeable increase in IQ over the 5D3. I'd LOVE it if the 5D4 has 4k, that would make an upgrade only cost around $1.5k after selling my 5D3.

The only other 4k options in the price range are the GH4 and Sony A7s, the Sony being the only one I might consider but that would mean going through the hassle of adapting my Canon lenses, not to mention the Sony brand just not having the same cache as Canon for getting jobs. As soon as Canon releases an affordable 4k video camera I'd have to sell the Sony.

So right now I'm just waiting for Canon to come out and say whether or not they'll ever release anything in the sub-$3.5k range that shoots 4k. If they're standing firm on $8k and up for 4k, I'll jump ship to Sony, but I won't like it.

Have you looked into Black Magic Camera? You can use your EF lens and they are priced well.

I have. I shoot a lot in natural and low light situations, and I wasn't crazy about its performance there in the tests I've seen. The a7s comes out looking much better IMO.

If you're after EF mount full frame mirrorless then here's Canon's solution for you:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=ME20f-SH&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

It's only $20k. Oops it's not 4K :'(

 

[Don Haines]

If you're after EF mount full frame mirrorless then here's Canon's solution for you:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=ME20f-SH&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

It's only $20k. Oops it's not 4K :'(

It might be expensive for the camera, but at ISO 4 million, think about how much you will save on flashes and lighting....

 

[clarksbrother]

If you want Canon's 'cheap' 4k option, here it is http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1134581-REG/canon_0565c013_xc10.html

The 5D MkIV will not have 4k, the 1DX MkII will, start "transitioning".

We actually have one of those. Frankly, it's a tremendous letdown. I was excited as anyone when Canon came out with this and we got one almost immediately... but...

Here's just some of the issues with that camera:

1) Non-constant aperture... this...drives...me...crazy...
2) Feels cheap for the price. Yes, $2500 in the video world is on the lower end... but you should expect a lot more than what you get.
3) Controls are functionally garbage - Canon on their still cameras has a great menu system. On this...worthless. Shooting video on DSLRs meant for still is way easier than on this thing which is supposedly meant for video.
4) No viewfinder. Yes, DSLRs don't have it either (unless its EVF) but for a video product, this is sacrilege.
5) Minimum ISO in video mode is 500... really Canon... REALLY???!?!?!?
6) Video quality is...eh... alright. Frankly, if my iPhone had a deeper DOF, it'd trump this thing in the video department.

There's way too many to list, but the XC10 should have been aborted before it got this far. They were much closer to getting it right in the 5D Mark II and 5D Mark III even while keeping a primary photo focus.

 

[NorBro]

The XC10 is certainly not what many of us hoped for, but the quality can be really nice. The functionality (not enough programability) is the worse, and the aperture change does drive one crazy. I believe you can use a lower ISO in a non-CLOG PP/setting. If you think 500 is bad, try having to use a minimum of 3200 or 1600 in Sony's S-Log2 on some of their cameras...

 

[privatebydesign]

If you want Canon's 'cheap' 4k option, here it is http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1134581-REG/canon_0565c013_xc10.html

The 5D MkIV will not have 4k, the 1DX MkII will, start "transitioning".

We actually have one of those. Frankly, it's a tremendous letdown. I was excited as anyone when Canon came out with this and we got one almost immediately... but...

Here's just some of the issues with that camera:

1) Non-constant aperture... this...drives...me...crazy...
2) Feels cheap for the price. Yes, $2500 in the video world is on the lower end... but you should expect a lot more than what you get.
3) Controls are functionally garbage - Canon on their still cameras has a great menu system. On this...worthless. Shooting video on DSLRs meant for still is way easier than on this thing which is supposedly meant for video.
4) No viewfinder. Yes, DSLRs don't have it either (unless its EVF) but for a video product, this is sacrilege.
5) Minimum ISO in video mode is 500... really Canon... REALLY???!?!?!?
6) Video quality is...eh... alright. Frankly, if my iPhone had a deeper DOF, it'd trump this thing in the video department.

There's way too many to list, but the XC10 should have been aborted before it got this far. They were much closer to getting it right in the 5D Mark II and 5D Mark III even while keeping a primary photo focus.

So get a 1DC, or a C300 MkII, or an iPhone, a GH4, A7RII.............