Canon EOS 5D Mark IV to Come Before NAB [CR2]

Mars1954 said:
The original 5D, 5D Mk 2 and 5 D Mk 3 have always been desirable for wedding photographers a March announcement makes a lot of sense because the unofficial wedding season runs from about April to October for a a lot of pro wedding photogrpahers.

There is a big difference between announcing and shipping in numbers to supply the market.

A March announcement would be too late for shipping during much of that season.
 
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Perio said:
I could never understand why Canon releases 5d series in March... why not to do that before Christmas or New Year? I did hope the new camera would be available before New Year, but it looks like I need to pick up either 5ds or something else as a gift.

I never got why they announced the 5D2 and some others in late Nov! These things are kinda specialized and pricey as stocking stuffers, plus in many major population centers of the world where these sell well, releasing on your schedule means they come out just after wedding seasons ends, after fall foliage shooting is over, after all the major summer and fall sports seasons are over, summer vacation and trip photography is over, spring and summer macro insect shooting is over, etc. etc.

It makes 10000x more sense to these spring releases!
Plus with the spring release people are more desperate to pay original list price instead of say putting it off for next spring once price comes down since they may want it for the spring weddings, a big summer trip, etc. etc.
 
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dolina said:
It would be laughable it it doesnt.

Maybe, but the real question is whether it would be profitable. As long as people choose Canon cameras, with whatever deficits people see, there is no market pressure to change product strategy.

To be clear, I'd love Canon products to have all of those competitive features as well; however, in the end, it need only be competitive in profit for it to be a good business decision for Canon.
 
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Really hoping we'll get some darn spec leaks soon.

I need at least 8fps, as the 6fps of the 5D III is frustrating for BIF and even general bird photography and wildlife it doesn't give me the best frames.

I would also like an AF system that doesn't have an intrinsic inter-frame jitter. The 5D III isn't nearly as bad as the 7D was, but I still get slightly out of focus shots and I can feel focus shifting ever so slightly back and forth each frame. Hoping Canon's iTR system would take care of that.

I'm quite eager to retire my 5D III.
 
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dilbert said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
Perio said:
I could never understand why Canon releases 5d series in March... why not to do that before Christmas or New Year? I did hope the new camera would be available before New Year, but it looks like I need to pick up either 5ds or something else as a gift.

I never got why they announced the 5D2 and some others in late Nov!

It depends on when the product is ready. If it is ready for an announcement and release soon after in November, why wait until March the following year?

All that is going to happen is the technology in the camera will age whilst competitors keep advancing their products.

I imagine that when they start out there are goals such as "Q3 2015" but inevitably those dates will slip and thus cameras arrive when they're ready.

true but for a long time, somehow they seemed to time everything for just when everything was over and to treat stuff that really wasn't stocking stuffers as stocking stuffers.
 
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jrista said:
Really hoping we'll get some darn spec leaks soon.

I need at least 8fps, as the 6fps of the 5D III is frustrating for BIF and even general bird photography and wildlife it doesn't give me the best frames.

I would also like an AF system that doesn't have an intrinsic inter-frame jitter. The 5D III isn't nearly as bad as the 7D was, but I still get slightly out of focus shots and I can feel focus shifting ever so slightly back and forth each frame. Hoping Canon's iTR system would take care of that.

I'm quite eager to retire my 5D III.

+1, but why not get a grey market 1D X, then again I guess you want the sensor upgrades that will come with the 5D IV
 
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The new 1DX MK II will not be out until the cows come home..... :o

Canon Rumors said:
We’re told that the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV will be announced before NAB 2016 in April. How far in advance of the show, we’re not sure. We do note that WPPI is at the beginning of March 2016, while products are rarely announced for that show, WPPI (wedding photographers) is a big target market for the EOS 5D Mark IV.</p>
<p>We’re expecting a new Cinema EOS camera for NAB in April, so I don’t think a stills DSLR will get announced specifically for that show either.</p>
<p>While the EOS-1D X successor is expected first, we haven’t been told when that will be unleashed on the masses.</p>
<p>No specifications were given for the EOS 5D Mark IV at this time.</p>
 
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meywd said:
jrista said:
Really hoping we'll get some darn spec leaks soon.

I need at least 8fps, as the 6fps of the 5D III is frustrating for BIF and even general bird photography and wildlife it doesn't give me the best frames.

I would also like an AF system that doesn't have an intrinsic inter-frame jitter. The 5D III isn't nearly as bad as the 7D was, but I still get slightly out of focus shots and I can feel focus shifting ever so slightly back and forth each frame. Hoping Canon's iTR system would take care of that.

I'm quite eager to retire my 5D III.

+1, but why not get a grey market 1D X, then again I guess you want the sensor upgrades that will come with the 5D IV

I definitely want the IQ improvements. The 1D X is the noisiest sensor Canon has. Compared to the noise levels I'm used to working with these days, it's INSANELY noisy. I also want much better resolution than that as well, as with birds, you often have to crop a decent amount (even with a 600mm lens). I also do not want the big body. I am very comfortable with the 5D III body size and ergonomics. It balances my 600mm f/4 very nicely at just the right point...when I add the battery grip, I have to shift the lens forward far enough that the dovetail that clips into my Joby Pro 2 ends up hitting the bottom of the gimbal, scratching it up.

For my action photography, the 5D line is ideal for me. And I cannot go backwards on the IQ front. I would also much rather have better IQ than the 5D IV is likely to have...I seriously doubt it is getting a DR upgrade. However I am kind of locked into the system after having spent so much money on lenses (and mainly, THE lens). Finally, I have other astrophotography needs that dwarf my terrestrial photography needs. I need over $20,000 in astro equipment that I would like to get within the next year. A 5D IV may not even find its way into my hands until some time 2017 in the face of all that...
 
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Too late for me. I will need a camera to replace my stolen 5D3 before January, when I will leave for Indonesia. I'm afraid it will be a Sony a7Rii for me this time. Bye, Canon! I will have been waiting for almost a year but in vain.
 
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EOBeav said:
That means you should be able to expect a ~$2kUSD 5DmkIII by this Christmas.

Heck, after instant savings, rebates ($350), a free year of Adobe Lightroom/Photoshop ($119.88 value to me because my subscription just ran out) and a free year of Kelby One training ($239.40 value to me because I need it), I just picked one up at B&H for a net cost of $1,789.00 no sales tax and free shipping... plus I got to keep the Canon Pro-100 printer and other goodies.

I'm happy ;D That is from B&H... a very reputable dealer. That's $2,028.40 if you don't care about Kelby One.

With a release price of $3,499 back in 2012 I am happily behind the technological curve. It is an amazing camera that will take me forever to outgrow.

Thank you Canon.
 
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PureClassA said:
We will get a single 24-28MP variety. Being that this DSLR body is still widely used for video, I just can't imagine not putting in 4k. That said, IF Canon surprises us with two models (24-28mp for stills with 1080p plus a second "C" version with a lower MP count for 4k to avoid binning and built more for video) then everyone's happy.

Canon really needs to get itself into the 4k game in the $2k -3.5k range. The market there is already well established, particularly for EF mount.

It would be a totally WRONG approach to leave out 4K out of this camera. Even the A7RII has it and more will come. To stay ahead of the game they should really think hard to add it to the features and put som 60fps on it, along with some nice log-curves and video-assist features (zebras, focus pinching etc.) for crying out loud. If this is not in a Canon pro-camera of 2016, I don't see Canon realising what time it is now.
 
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It's been a great camera (the 5D III). Mine is looking a little worn out these days. There is plenty of metal visible on the outside of the camera (I hope version IV has a more hard wearing coat - part of this is my fault, slings cause more body wear).
I'm looking forward to seeing the actual specs of version IV.
I'd like a fast frame rate.
Better indicator of focus lock.
Better dynamic range
Better ISO performance
I'd like a higher MP (somewhere around 30MP).
More choice on settings for exposure length (eg I could choose how many seconds or minutes)
In view finder level
Lighting up of focus points
I'd prefer dual SD size cards
I'm not terribly interested in 4K video but I'd love 960FPS at 720 or 1080 (a wish) and more than two seconds worth.
 
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The Mk III was (already sold it) kind of a hatelove for me.
Superb IQ, IF I exposed correct. Was not easy with the constant underexposure in situations with low contrast, trying to avoid blown out lights, having a too dark RAW, and the recovering of shadows was not a strenght of this sensor.

AF was top notch, although bit too much centered.

The Mk IV can have same resolution, much better DR please, and a metering system based on 18% gray (and not 12%).
Yes- faster, 8fps would be fine.
4k: I dont care but I see it as a dealbraker for many of us.
 
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Ulric Wolf said:
PureClassA said:
IF Canon surprises us with two models (24-28mp for stills with 1080p plus a second "C" version with a lower MP count for 4k to avoid binning and built more for video) then everyone's happy.

I'm just changing to Sony then and a lot of people will - there is no point to buy two (or even then 4 if we are counting a backup) cameras if I am pro photographer, but I shoot video too - it's almost 50/50 for me. And I'm not alone like that. It is critical to have 4k and 28mp - it shouldn't be a low light monster, mut be compiting with 5D3 or 6D at least. If canon will go Sony way (making a7R2 and a7S2 - both shooting 4k, but S is low light monster) than it's ok. But it is MUST to have good quality photos + 4k.

how do you know what a lot of people will do?
 
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douglaurent said:
Canon should focus on developing lenses and stop releasing DLSR's. Mirrorless is the future. Not too long after a 5D4 comes out there will be an A7R3, which probably solves all the few left specs that have still been in favor of Canon. Because of their long product cycles and to save their pro Camera division, Canon will be more and more behind each year, and with a mirror their Cameras will never be able to compete again in certain points with Sony full frame and other coming mirrorless concepts. Sony is clever enough to let the A-Mount die and focus on a Mount with lenses that can support nearly any lens system on this planet (I even used MFT lenses on that).

i beg you pardon...
 
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My friends in Japan told me, that there are just a few rumors around. And nobody knows if they are true. Most of them about the 1DX II and 5DIV. It is said, Canon managers are astonished, how good the Sony 7R MK2 is wellcomed by the press. There is still an in-house discussion about an increase of the planned built in features of the MK IV. They will watch the sales of the competitors and the 5DS(r) and then decide if they want to compete Sony and the coming Nikon successors.
What seems to be plausible: availability before olympic games, maybe just in America (south and north). Other say, it will be available in June (soccer EM in France). But let us see, what comes true.
 
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PureClassA said:
We will get a single 24-28MP variety. Being that this DSLR body is still widely used for video, I just can't imagine not putting in 4k. That said, IF Canon surprises us with two models (24-28mp for stills with 1080p plus a second "C" version with a lower MP count for 4k to avoid binning and built more for video) then everyone's happy.

Canon really needs to get itself into the 4k game in the $2k -3.5k range. The market there is already well established, particularly for EF mount.

To be competitive in that market they need to get rid of the mirror. The logical path forward into the 4K hybrid market is to make an upmarket EOS-M, and that likely won't happen until they can produce an improved processor. A Digic 7 will be able to shoot 4K (it will be the stills version of the DV5), but it may lack the power efficiency to be practical in an EOS-M body. In that case you may have to wait for the Digic 8, and by then everyone else would have moved on to the next step in performance.

I am afraid that Canon are well and truly on the back foot and at the back of the pack when it comes to hybrid 4K, and they are probably going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
 
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Tilt screen is important for me in the 5D4, no tilt screen will mean I'll carry on shooting my dual 5DSr's unless there is a massive boost in ISO performance and (clean) shadow push.

Right now I'm not sure if I'd buy one. Cameras are so good at the moment anyway it's hard to screw up an image.
 
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