Canon EOS 5D Mark IV to Come Before NAB [CR2]

[DavidAutumns]

Morning what happened to the potential announcement at the PhotoPlus Expo 21-24 Oct?

Has this rumour had cold water poured on it?

Dave

 

[dolina]

It would be laughable it it doesnt.

Maybe, but the real question is whether it would be profitable. As long as people choose Canon cameras, with whatever deficits people see, there is no market pressure to change product strategy.

To be clear, I'd love Canon products to have all of those competitive features as well; however, in the end, it need only be competitive in profit for it to be a good business decision for Canon.

Any top end smartphone starting from $500 has 4k resolution video. They can even do 720p at 240fps.

Sony was genius in deciding to focus as an image sensor OEM for any device rather than directly but heads with canon and now they are benefiting from it.

 

[whothafunk]

Any top end smartphone starting from $500 has 4k resolution video.

does it really matter? 4k resolution =/= 4k quality. from my experience, downscalled 4k gopro video is somewhat in the range of DSLR 1080p quality, and even that is open for a debate. same goes for phones, those small sensors arent worth much in my eyes. just a gimmick

 

[StudentOfLight]

We will get a single 24-28MP variety. Being that this DSLR body is still widely used for video, I just can't imagine not putting in 4k. That said, IF Canon surprises us with two models (24-28mp for stills with 1080p plus a second "C" version with a lower MP count for 4k to avoid binning and built more for video) then everyone's happy.

There's no way that Canon will bring out a "5DC" to compete with the A7S as it would also compete with the C100 Mark II.

Is the the C100 Mark-II a full frame DSLR or a crop sensor mirrorless camera?

 

[dolina]

Any top end smartphone starting from $500 has 4k resolution video.

does it really matter? 4k resolution =/= 4k quality. from my experience, downscalled 4k gopro video is somewhat in the range of DSLR 1080p quality, and even that is open for a debate. same goes for phones, those small sensors arent worth much in my eyes. just a gimmick

Having video in an SLR is a gimmick!

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Any top end smartphone starting from $500 has 4k resolution video.

does it really matter? 4k resolution =/= 4k quality. from my experience, downscalled 4k gopro video is somewhat in the range of DSLR 1080p quality, and even that is open for a debate. same goes for phones, those small sensors arent worth much in my eyes. just a gimmick

Having video in an SLR is a gimmick!

Actually...it's not. I regularly see news film crews on the streets of London with hand cam 5DIII rigs. Just because you don't don't have a need or use...doesn't means that other's shouldn't. But 4K....I don't really see the market. Unless there are hoards of skint indie film makers who want to make movies on the cheap.

4K video through an iphone lens....hmmm....I'm sure the quality will be great :

 

[Etienne]

Any top end smartphone starting from $500 has 4k resolution video.

does it really matter? 4k resolution =/= 4k quality. from my experience, downscalled 4k gopro video is somewhat in the range of DSLR 1080p quality, and even that is open for a debate. same goes for phones, those small sensors arent worth much in my eyes. just a gimmick

Having video in an SLR is a gimmick!

An awful lot of Pros and even Hollywood films love to use the 'gimmick' that the armchair hacks love to deride.

 

[raptor3x]

I definitely want the IQ improvements. The 1D X is the noisiest sensor Canon has. Compared to the noise levels I'm used to working with these days, it's INSANELY noisy.

Just curious where you're getting this from. I've owned pretty much every Canon FF body at this point and this has been the exact opposite of my experience. DxO and Sensorgen seem to disagree with you as well.

 

[dolina]

Actually...it's not. I regularly see news film crews on the streets of London with hand cam 5DIII rigs. Just because you don't don't have a need or use...doesn't means that other's shouldn't. But 4K....I don't really see the market. Unless there are hoards of skint indie film makers who want to make movies on the cheap.

4K video through an iphone lens....hmmm....I'm sure the quality will be great :

Same thing were said about SLRs with video in 2008.

4K is just 8MP at 30fps so if people are happy with 8MP stills then why not at 30 frames in a second?

Same goes with built-in WiFi. It should be included already... it'll be 2016 when it gets into people's hands.

 

[DLD]

Hi I'm new here.

I recently switched back to Canon from Nikon and currently use a 6D. I chose the 6D because I felt it had a bit better dynamic range over the 5d Mark III. I hope the new Mark IV has greatly improved dynamic range without ugly binding. My Nikon D610 was simply amazing in that regard and had very smooth looking images even at high iso with great dynamic range. However I didn't like the ergonomics and was missing shots while fiddling with all the buttons which are everywhere on the camera... So I came back to Canon in hopes the new models will at least be as good. Then I'd be very happy indeed...

Thanks...

 

[Ulric Wolf]

I'm just changing to Sony then and a lot of people will [...]But it is MUST to have good quality photos + 4k.

I don't need 4k and I don't want it on my cam. So, what now? Please switch to Sony. Really. Although there seems to be something which keeps you from doing it until now... don't know what it is. 4k is in the A7R2, along with sooooooooo much Dynamic Range, more Resolution and everything will be better afterwards.

For me it's more important to keep the bodyprice reasonable, maybe below $2500. And it has to be a good photo-cam, not a pimped videorecorder.

You are talking bulls*it - if You need just a photo - You have plenty of options already - buy a 6D, 7D2, for god sake 5D3. There is Noikon D610, D750, D810, there is coming 6DII. What else do You need? 5D was always universal camera, 5D2 was camera that made DSLR video industry. So stop talking bulls*it, 5D4 must have to be universal for anything.

 

[PureClassA]

I don't believe they need to go mirrorless to do it. Loads of video/cinema guys use the 5D3 and 5D2 currently (many with ML). So I don't see the body form being in the way whatsoever. I think a solid built DSLR 4k machine would be a very welcome issue, particularly when so many are already ergonomically used to it

We will get a single 24-28MP variety. Being that this DSLR body is still widely used for video, I just can't imagine not putting in 4k. That said, IF Canon surprises us with two models (24-28mp for stills with 1080p plus a second "C" version with a lower MP count for 4k to avoid binning and built more for video) then everyone's happy.

Canon really needs to get itself into the 4k game in the $2k -3.5k range. The market there is already well established, particularly for EF mount.

To be competitive in that market they need to get rid of the mirror. The logical path forward into the 4K hybrid market is to make an upmarket EOS-M, and that likely won't happen until they can produce an improved processor. A Digic 7 will be able to shoot 4K (it will be the stills version of the DV5), but it may lack the power efficiency to be practical in an EOS-M body. In that case you may have to wait for the Digic 8, and by then everyone else would have moved on to the next step in performance.

I am afraid that Canon are well and truly on the back foot and at the back of the pack when it comes to hybrid 4K, and they are probably going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.

 

[fragilesi]

You are talking bulls*it - if You need just a photo - You have plenty of options already - buy a 6D, 7D2, for god sake 5D3. There is Noikon D610, D750, D810, there is coming 6DII. What else do You need? 5D was always universal camera, 5D2 was camera that made DSLR video industry. So stop talking bulls*it, 5D4 must have to be universal for anything.

Strange post.

Many of us buy DSLRs to take stills with no, or just occasional video. 4k would be of mild interest but for me just a curio for a dull moment. If the 5D IV is better at taking photos plenty of people will want it regardless of video capability.

 

[bdunbar79]

Really hoping we'll get some darn spec leaks soon.

I need at least 8fps, as the 6fps of the 5D III is frustrating for BIF and even general bird photography and wildlife it doesn't give me the best frames.

I would also like an AF system that doesn't have an intrinsic inter-frame jitter. The 5D III isn't nearly as bad as the 7D was, but I still get slightly out of focus shots and I can feel focus shifting ever so slightly back and forth each frame. Hoping Canon's iTR system would take care of that.

I'm quite eager to retire my 5D III.

+1, but why not get a grey market 1D X, then again I guess you want the sensor upgrades that will come with the 5D IV

I definitely want the IQ improvements. The 1D X is the noisiest sensor Canon has. Compared to the noise levels I'm used to working with these days, it's INSANELY noisy. I also want much better resolution than that as well, as with birds, you often have to crop a decent amount (even with a 600mm lens). I also do not want the big body. I am very comfortable with the 5D III body size and ergonomics. It balances my 600mm f/4 very nicely at just the right point...when I add the battery grip, I have to shift the lens forward far enough that the dovetail that clips into my Joby Pro 2 ends up hitting the bottom of the gimbal, scratching it up.

For my action photography, the 5D line is ideal for me. And I cannot go backwards on the IQ front. I would also much rather have better IQ than the 5D IV is likely to have...I seriously doubt it is getting a DR upgrade. However I am kind of locked into the system after having spent so much money on lenses (and mainly, THE lens). Finally, I have other astrophotography needs that dwarf my terrestrial photography needs. I need over $20,000 in astro equipment that I would like to get within the next year. A 5D IV may not even find its way into my hands until some time 2017 in the face of all that...

The 1Dx is the noisiest sensor Canon has? Come on man, you know that's not true at all.

 

[scyrene]

The Mk III was (already sold it) kind of a hatelove for me.
Superb IQ, IF I exposed correct. Was not easy with the constant underexposure in situations with low contrast, trying to avoid blown out lights, having a too dark RAW, and the recovering of shadows was not a strenght of this sensor.

AF was top notch, although bit too much centered.

The Mk IV can have same resolution, much better DR please, and a metering system based on 18% gray (and not 12%).
Yes- faster, 8fps would be fine.
4k: I dont care but I see it as a dealbraker for many of us.

I don't understand... can you elaborate the cause of your exposure problems? I don't have that, but maybe I'm so used to the camera I've forgotten.

 

[scyrene]

We will get a single 24-28MP variety. Being that this DSLR body is still widely used for video, I just can't imagine not putting in 4k. That said, IF Canon surprises us with two models (24-28mp for stills with 1080p plus a second "C" version with a lower MP count for 4k to avoid binning and built more for video) then everyone's happy.

Canon really needs to get itself into the 4k game in the $2k -3.5k range. The market there is already well established, particularly for EF mount.

To be competitive in that market they need to get rid of the mirror. The logical path forward into the 4K hybrid market is to make an upmarket EOS-M, and that likely won't happen until they can produce an improved processor. A Digic 7 will be able to shoot 4K (it will be the stills version of the DV5), but it may lack the power efficiency to be practical in an EOS-M body. In that case you may have to wait for the Digic 8, and by then everyone else would have moved on to the next step in performance.

I am afraid that Canon are well and truly on the back foot and at the back of the pack when it comes to hybrid 4K, and they are probably going to stay that way for the foreseeable future.

Ironically - whether or not any of this is true - a larger body should be better at dissipating heat, so you'd think a DSLR would have the edge in 4K in that regard at least.

 

[Ulric Wolf]

You are talking bulls*it - if You need just a photo - You have plenty of options already - buy a 6D, 7D2, for god sake 5D3. There is Noikon D610, D750, D810, there is coming 6DII. What else do You need? 5D was always universal camera, 5D2 was camera that made DSLR video industry. So stop talking bulls*it, 5D4 must have to be universal for anything.

Strange post.

Many of us buy DSLRs to take stills with no, or just occasional video. 4k would be of mild interest but for me just a curio for a dull moment. If the 5D IV is better at taking photos plenty of people will want it regardless of video capability.

No, it's not strange at all - Your post is strange. Canon already have a lot of great stills cameras. Newest one - 5Ds. Use it. Canon was one who introducet video in DSLR's so they made this market. And there are working millions of people in it now because of Canon. Canon just can't afford to lose big part of it it and it will lose them if they wont introduce 4k in their next pro camera. You are thinking very in the box, only about yourself. If I would take only photos - I would buy 5Ds without questions - it's great camera for stills.

 

[scyrene]

Any top end smartphone starting from $500 has 4k resolution video.

does it really matter? 4k resolution =/= 4k quality. from my experience, downscalled 4k gopro video is somewhat in the range of DSLR 1080p quality, and even that is open for a debate. same goes for phones, those small sensors arent worth much in my eyes. just a gimmick

Also, phones do other things that we wouldn't ask cameras to do, like make phone calls. The basic argument 'a phone does X, therefore a DSLR should' is invalid.

Is it, as I imagine, easier to do 4K from a smaller sensor? I assume that explains in part why so many phones do it already, whereas most dedicated cameras don't yet?

 

[scyrene]

Actually...it's not. I regularly see news film crews on the streets of London with hand cam 5DIII rigs. Just because you don't don't have a need or use...doesn't means that other's shouldn't. But 4K....I don't really see the market. Unless there are hoards of skint indie film makers who want to make movies on the cheap.

4K video through an iphone lens....hmmm....I'm sure the quality will be great :

Same thing were said about SLRs with video in 2008.

4K is just 8MP at 30fps so if people are happy with 8MP stills then why not at 30 frames in a second?

Same goes with built-in WiFi. It should be included already... it'll be 2016 when it gets into people's hands.

Of course, burst shooting rarely lasts more than a second or two. 4K is 8MP at 24+fps for minutes on end.

 

[scyrene]

I'm just changing to Sony then and a lot of people will [...]But it is MUST to have good quality photos + 4k.

I don't need 4k and I don't want it on my cam. So, what now? Please switch to Sony. Really. Although there seems to be something which keeps you from doing it until now... don't know what it is. 4k is in the A7R2, along with sooooooooo much Dynamic Range, more Resolution and everything will be better afterwards.

For me it's more important to keep the bodyprice reasonable, maybe below $2500. And it has to be a good photo-cam, not a pimped videorecorder.

You are talking bulls*it - if You need just a photo - You have plenty of options already - buy a 6D, 7D2, for god sake 5D3. There is Noikon D610, D750, D810, there is coming 6DII. What else do You need? 5D was always universal camera, 5D2 was camera that made DSLR video industry. So stop talking bulls*it, 5D4 must have to be universal for anything.

Great way to introduce yourself to the forum.