Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Same class-lagging DR as the 7D Mk II?! Where do I sign up?
Same class-lagging DR as the 7D Mk II?! Where do I sign up?
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Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Where in my profile?
My 7DII is resting for weeks. I am mostly using the 6D, as the IQ is muuuuuch better. The 7DII will be used again, when I own an new biiiig prime for birding.
CaptureWhatYouSee said:
Where in my profile?
My 7DII is resting for weeks. I am mostly using the 6D, as the IQ is muuuuuch better. The 7DII will be used again, when I own an new biiiig prime for birding.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
I would think the 5ds would be more prone than the 7dii simply beacause 100% view is much more zoomed in *IF* fov is the same with both cameras. If the fov is the same (say 50mm on 7dii and 85mm on 5ds) you have a whole lot more pixels on the same amount of subject, thus more risk of blue at 100%. But on the other hand, if one would use the same settings on both, then they should be the same, right? (Except that the 5ds would have a wider fov
CaptureWhatYouSee said:
I would think the 5ds would be more prone than the 7dii simply beacause 100% view is much more zoomed in *IF* fov is the same with both cameras. If the fov is the same (say 50mm on 7dii and 85mm on 5ds) you have a whole lot more pixels on the same amount of subject, thus more risk of blue at 100%. But on the other hand, if one would use the same settings on both, then they should be the same, right? (Except that the 5ds would have a wider fov
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
I don't buy it. You won;'t need a tripod for every shot.
Not any more than you do for a D810 or 7D or 7D2 or 50D or....
xps said:
I don't buy it. You won;'t need a tripod for every shot.
Not any more than you do for a D810 or 7D or 7D2 or 50D or....
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Yeah and since they bungled the crop mode, it will likely be a bit poor by today's standards for action/wildlife having to maintain huge RAW files even for distant widllife and getting likely very poor buffer performance, so it's not really all that well rounded like a D810. It seems almost more sensible, if you stick with Canon, to just add a Sony A7R or A7R II(?) and get only 14MP less but a lot more dynamic range and keep your 5D3 for general shooting. There will be some for whom the extra 14MP matters more and to simply get the high MP in a more nicely usable body but for those wanting more for landscapes I'm not sure I really see the sense in this 5Ds compared to other options (unless you almost never shoot high DR scenes and have enough money to put into $3600 into an add-on camera and certainly there will be those for whom that is the case, asbolutely).
I wonder would people rather have had the 5Ds as it:
50MP with 2007 level DR
5fps with a poor (???) buffer
always gigantic RAW files even when shooting distant wildlife
or say:
36MP and high DR using the sensor in the D810 from Sony
6fps in RAW FF mode with a decentish buffer
7fps in small RAW crop mode with an amazing buffer
or even better:
39MP high DR sensor from Canon on a new fab with Cxx-like 2x2 binning for 4k video
5.5fps in RAW FF mode
7fps in small RAW crop mode with a great buffer
It looks like Canon will deliver, perhaps:
5Ds (obviously)
5D4:
24MP with 2007 level DR
8fps
4k video, sharp and full sensor read if lucky, but 8bit and without much usability features
??
Marsu42 said:
Yeah and since they bungled the crop mode, it will likely be a bit poor by today's standards for action/wildlife having to maintain huge RAW files even for distant widllife and getting likely very poor buffer performance, so it's not really all that well rounded like a D810. It seems almost more sensible, if you stick with Canon, to just add a Sony A7R or A7R II(?) and get only 14MP less but a lot more dynamic range and keep your 5D3 for general shooting. There will be some for whom the extra 14MP matters more and to simply get the high MP in a more nicely usable body but for those wanting more for landscapes I'm not sure I really see the sense in this 5Ds compared to other options (unless you almost never shoot high DR scenes and have enough money to put into $3600 into an add-on camera and certainly there will be those for whom that is the case, asbolutely).
I wonder would people rather have had the 5Ds as it:
50MP with 2007 level DR
5fps with a poor (???) buffer
always gigantic RAW files even when shooting distant wildlife
or say:
36MP and high DR using the sensor in the D810 from Sony
6fps in RAW FF mode with a decentish buffer
7fps in small RAW crop mode with an amazing buffer
or even better:
39MP high DR sensor from Canon on a new fab with Cxx-like 2x2 binning for 4k video
5.5fps in RAW FF mode
7fps in small RAW crop mode with a great buffer
It looks like Canon will deliver, perhaps:
5Ds (obviously)
5D4:
24MP with 2007 level DR
8fps
4k video, sharp and full sensor read if lucky, but 8bit and without much usability features
??
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
If it's like the D810 et al, then I'm sure it's more sensitive to motion blur and will likely require higher shutter speeds (1/focal length may not be enough), but to say it requires a tripod is just stupid. Sure, a tripod will result in sharper shots and get the most out of the camera/sensor, but necessary? No.LetTheRightLensIn said:
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
This has been my understanding as well.
LetTheRightLensIn said:
This has been my understanding as well.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Owning an A7r, I was hoping for the 5DSr to have a better DR than any of the current line. Unfortunate that is does not. Love the A7r, but hate the Metabones adapter. Will buy the 5DSr, just to get AF back on large files. Will adapt my technique to improve the DR as needed. Life is full of compromise
Update to this earlier post. I am not going to purchase a 5DS or R. After reviewing the results and comments some of Canon's Explorers have made, I am going to continue using my Sony A7r as a landscape camera and use a 5DMIII for everything else. Hoping someday Canon will give us a chip that is closer to or better than the current Sonys.
Owning an A7r, I was hoping for the 5DSr to have a better DR than any of the current line. Unfortunate that is does not. Love the A7r, but hate the Metabones adapter. Will buy the 5DSr, just to get AF back on large files. Will adapt my technique to improve the DR as needed. Life is full of compromise
Update to this earlier post. I am not going to purchase a 5DS or R. After reviewing the results and comments some of Canon's Explorers have made, I am going to continue using my Sony A7r as a landscape camera and use a 5DMIII for everything else. Hoping someday Canon will give us a chip that is closer to or better than the current Sonys.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
I don't know. I think the macros of the lichens are pretty cool!
SwnSng said:
I don't know. I think the macros of the lichens are pretty cool!
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Regarding shots - guessing he had barely a day with the camera to shoot VoF in less than ideal light; then do intense focus-stacking on a few targets in his hotel room. Probably trying to do all that processing on a laptop (edit - maybe he waited until he got back to his studio). I'll cut him some slack.
I also got a chance to look at the 5DSr at the CPS Lounge during WPPI. Yep, pretty much a 5D3 in the interface and body design. The big difference would be in the files; and of course sticking a CF card in was just not going to happen.
I can do enough with my post tools and manual blending to not worry about the DR so much. My style is probably not that anyway. The 50MP will give me near 20x30 @ 300 DPI and that is a win.
For the Exmor fans - we really have not seen their 50 MP equivalent yet. Will it maintain the same DR? I used the A7R on a two-week Colorado trip with my 5D3 shooting scenes both ways - and while the shots are higher res and more contrasty (more levels in the same numeric range), I find that its not always the best of the comparison. However my biggest issue with the Sony A7R was the EVF. Should they announce a 50 MP Sony with a more sensitive color-correct EVF before mid-June , I may give it a chance. Also considered the 645Z, but just afraid of the lens investment when I already have a major one in Canon/Zeiss.
While landscape is a primary use; I actually do plan to play with it in motorsports - the paddock shots could show remarkable detail; could be an interesting result on slow shutter pan shots; and on high speed stills, the cropping ability might be of benefit. Yeah, hit % will be down. We'll see; but one thing is for sure, the Canon sales guys have the landscape/studio mantra. Mention any other use and they jump. Its clear they are trying to avoid 5D3/5D4 market cannibalization; and/or any negative commentary coming out of non-target use.
Regarding shots - guessing he had barely a day with the camera to shoot VoF in less than ideal light; then do intense focus-stacking on a few targets in his hotel room. Probably trying to do all that processing on a laptop (edit - maybe he waited until he got back to his studio). I'll cut him some slack.
I also got a chance to look at the 5DSr at the CPS Lounge during WPPI. Yep, pretty much a 5D3 in the interface and body design. The big difference would be in the files; and of course sticking a CF card in was just not going to happen.
I can do enough with my post tools and manual blending to not worry about the DR so much. My style is probably not that anyway. The 50MP will give me near 20x30 @ 300 DPI and that is a win.
For the Exmor fans - we really have not seen their 50 MP equivalent yet. Will it maintain the same DR? I used the A7R on a two-week Colorado trip with my 5D3 shooting scenes both ways - and while the shots are higher res and more contrasty (more levels in the same numeric range), I find that its not always the best of the comparison. However my biggest issue with the Sony A7R was the EVF. Should they announce a 50 MP Sony with a more sensitive color-correct EVF before mid-June , I may give it a chance. Also considered the 645Z, but just afraid of the lens investment when I already have a major one in Canon/Zeiss.
While landscape is a primary use; I actually do plan to play with it in motorsports - the paddock shots could show remarkable detail; could be an interesting result on slow shutter pan shots; and on high speed stills, the cropping ability might be of benefit. Yeah, hit % will be down. We'll see; but one thing is for sure, the Canon sales guys have the landscape/studio mantra. Mention any other use and they jump. Its clear they are trying to avoid 5D3/5D4 market cannibalization; and/or any negative commentary coming out of non-target use.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Interesting. The 5Ds may not be for me. Unfortunately, the sweet spot for me just might be the 36 MP Exmor sensor, or a 24 to 30 MP sensor with similar dynamic range. I am happy with my current 6D for the time being and might upgrade to moderately more MP with moderately more dynamic range, whenever that becomes available and whatever that is called. (Shutter vibration problem and likely general annoyance of using Metabones has put me off trying the Sony A7r. I am still cogitating about the A7II with its IBIS.
Interesting. The 5Ds may not be for me. Unfortunately, the sweet spot for me just might be the 36 MP Exmor sensor, or a 24 to 30 MP sensor with similar dynamic range. I am happy with my current 6D for the time being and might upgrade to moderately more MP with moderately more dynamic range, whenever that becomes available and whatever that is called. (Shutter vibration problem and likely general annoyance of using Metabones has put me off trying the Sony A7r. I am still cogitating about the A7II with its IBIS.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
The dynamic range is the same as the 7D II?
Pass.
The dynamic range is the same as the 7D II?
Pass.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Atleast 5DsR Mark II and 5Ds Mark II are bound to have DR improvement when it comes coz I doubt Canon
is crazy enough to leave it at that and would just prefer to strap in another 50 megapickel and make it 100 megapickel cameras.
Good things will come to those who wait but you have to wait for toooo long, until then just buy a Sony and Metabones - while waiting.
Canon is clearly doing an Intel, not the current Intel - the NetBurst Intel. But what do you know, after that the i7 happened.
Atleast 5DsR Mark II and 5Ds Mark II are bound to have DR improvement when it comes coz I doubt Canon
is crazy enough to leave it at that and would just prefer to strap in another 50 megapickel and make it 100 megapickel cameras.
Good things will come to those who wait but you have to wait for toooo long, until then just buy a Sony and Metabones - while waiting.
Canon is clearly doing an Intel, not the current Intel - the NetBurst Intel. But what do you know, after that the i7 happened.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
"Prone" translates directly into shorter exposure times compared with cameras with bigger pixels, if you want to make use of the sensor's full resolution. That's it (if you don't use a tripod). When the Nikon D800 hit the market, you could find a lot of irritated comments of users that upgraded from their old D700 but did not yet adapt to the overall higher shutter speeds their new camera needed.
CaptureWhatYouSee said:
"Prone" translates directly into shorter exposure times compared with cameras with bigger pixels, if you want to make use of the sensor's full resolution. That's it (if you don't use a tripod). When the Nikon D800 hit the market, you could find a lot of irritated comments of users that upgraded from their old D700 but did not yet adapt to the overall higher shutter speeds their new camera needed.
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
Still curious how this will perform colorwise out of cam. The samples so far seem fine indeed but if you're not on location you don't really know what to expect and demand. Anything can be tweaked in post of course, but I am hoping the CFA is tuned more towards the 1Ds Mark II/III with its warmer yet lifelike rendering.
People claim it has been optimized for color accuracy but I'm not sure I've read anything official from Canon about this?
Still curious how this will perform colorwise out of cam. The samples so far seem fine indeed but if you're not on location you don't really know what to expect and demand. Anything can be tweaked in post of course, but I am hoping the CFA is tuned more towards the 1Ds Mark II/III with its warmer yet lifelike rendering.
People claim it has been optimized for color accuracy but I'm not sure I've read anything official from Canon about this?
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Re: Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Samples By George Lepp
These look like photos I was creating with my 5D Classic nearly 10 years ago. Nothing super spectacular. They're nice images but unless you make your living full time by displaying your artwork billboard size, I'm not sure I see any value here when compared to current bodies. Besides, very few lenses will even resolve close to the native resolution of these bodies. You'd have to spend some serious money to get lenses that come close to taking advantage of all the resolution's sensor. Otus 55, 300 2.8 II, etc. A 70-200 2.8 II might come pretty close. Same goes for the 24-7 0 2.8II. But even then. what are you going to do with these images? Most of us display these web sized. I have large prints at home too but they're more than sharp enough from my 6D.
If these new bodies come down in price, then I may consider them. But for the intro price... I vote no.
These look like photos I was creating with my 5D Classic nearly 10 years ago. Nothing super spectacular. They're nice images but unless you make your living full time by displaying your artwork billboard size, I'm not sure I see any value here when compared to current bodies. Besides, very few lenses will even resolve close to the native resolution of these bodies. You'd have to spend some serious money to get lenses that come close to taking advantage of all the resolution's sensor. Otus 55, 300 2.8 II, etc. A 70-200 2.8 II might come pretty close. Same goes for the 24-7 0 2.8II. But even then. what are you going to do with these images? Most of us display these web sized. I have large prints at home too but they're more than sharp enough from my 6D.
If these new bodies come down in price, then I may consider them. But for the intro price... I vote no.
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