Canon EOS 5DS Production Models Out in the Wild

[Canon Rumors]

PhotographyBLOG received their production Canon EOS 5DS camera body a couple of weeks before the rest of us will get a chance to try one out.</p>
<p>They’ve posted 91 jpgs and 20 RAW files ahead of their full review of Canon’s high resolution DSLR.</p>
<blockquote><p>A <a href="http://www.photographyblog.com/previews/canon_eos_5ds_photos/" target="_blank">gallery of sample images</a> taken with the Canon EOS 5DS DSLR camera and the EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM and EF 50mm f/1.8</p></blockquote>
<p>Also worth noting, their camera is running firmware 1.01.</p>
<p>Canon EOS 5DS R $3899: <a href="http://adorama.evyy.net/c/60085/51926/1036?u=http://www.adorama.com/results/canonnewfeb" target="_blank">Adorama</a> | <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1119027-REG/canon_0582c002_eos_5ds_r_dslr.html/BI/2466/KBID/3296" target="_blank">B&H</a> | <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T3ERPT8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00T3ERPT8&linkCode=as2&tag=canorumo-20&linkId=X7P2IPISEXTZFLQ7" target="_blank">Amazon</a> | Canon EOS 5DS $3699: <a href="http://adorama.evyy.net/c/60085/51926/1036?u=http://www.adorama.com/results/canonnewfeb" target="_blank">Adorama</a> | <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1119026-REG/canon_0581c002_eos_5ds_dslr_camera.html/BI/2466/KBID/3296" target="_blank">B&H</a> | <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00T3ERPT8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00T3ERPT8&linkCode=as2&tag=canorumo-20&linkId=C3LAZKJCU4IRBJUF" target="_blank">Amazon</a></p>
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[CVP]

I'm starting to believe in pixel overkill. IQ looks nice, but unless I wanted to crop out multiple shots from one exposure, I don't know what I really get as opposed to the mkIII. Take the extra $1200 and buy the mkIII and the 16-35 f4 IS.

 

[sanj]

Does not create ANY interest in me.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Those are some massive RAW files!

The shadow noise when pushed 5 stops and viewed at 100% isn't bad. Much more useable than many other Canon cameras. Considering the MP count, the images would look decent when downsampled or viewed at a regular viewing distance.

I am also really impressed with the color quality of some of those images. I would use a 5Ds for that alone, even if I don't care about 50MP.

 

[SlydeR]

Not sure if my eyes are giving trouble today, but I took a close look at a few of the more detailed images (jpg) and they looked a bit soft....nothing looked tack sharp??? Wondering if all were taken hand held??

 

[mackguyver]

I ended up cancelling my pre-order. The 5DIII and 1D X do everything I need and I know all too well how quickly body prices fall if you wait a few months. I'm also anxious to avoid possible buyer's remorse when the 5DIV and 1DXII are announced.

 

[kenny]

The 50 f/1.8 and a 24-70 f/4? Not exactly the glass I'd pair with it to show off...

 

[dolina]

Seeming the production model's out it would be nice of Canon would start selling them immediately upon receiving stocks.

 

[AA_photo]

I was thinking of selling my mk3 and ordering the 5ds but lately everything that I've been seeing online is making me want to keep my mk3! Especially after seeing the samples up against the phase one, it still can't compare to a medium format camera, even though some articles out there seem to claim otherwise.

I'm looking forward to seeing some more samples soon.

I can't imagine Canon being able to cram more pixels into the FF sensor and see better results. Is there any chance that some day we'll see a medium format option being released?

 

[captainkanji]

Not exactly the types of photos I want to see from the camera. I wouldn't mind seeing how it performs at 12,800

I'm sure it will be a fine camera, just not the one for me.

 

[erjlphoto]

I thought the ISO 6400 images inside the tunnel were quite impressive both photographically and iIQ wise. Didn't like most of the other photos content wise.

 

[seanature]

I got to play with actual production versions of both new models at an unveiling tonight. The 5Ds was running 1.0.1 firmware; the 5Ds R was running 1.0.1r.

They had a number of prints including a pair of 13x19 prints of a studio scene. One was shot with the new 5Ds and the other with the 5D Mark III. There was a noticeable difference in quality, even standing back a few feet. The 5Ds was visibly sharper and the texture in the image looked more lifelike, for lack of a better description. I was a bit surprised there was that much of a difference in a print of that size.

I asked the rep about the practical difference between the two 5Ds models. He claims that even when Canon tries to produce moire with a 5Ds R that they're unsuccessful. In his experience, there really isn't much of an image quality difference between the two models. If you do fashion, wedding or product photography, you still probably want to get the one with the AA filter activated, but he claims Canon's experience is that moire isn't a serious issue even with the 5Ds R - even when they are trying to produce it.

The camera has a redesigned mirror mechanism and has special dampening around the tripod socket to reduce vibrations that could impair image quality. You can hear the difference in the shutter. I ran off some bursts and the 5Ds in normal mode is quieter than my 1Ds in silent mode. People with the 5D III said it was even quieter than that camera's silent mode.

On the subject of burst mode, that may prove to be one of the areas of disappointment. They couldn't answer questions about the buffer size, but George Lepp, who also presented, said he had to shoot JPEGs when he was shooting bursts with his.

Other thoughts from Lepp: He says ISO 1600 delivers great quality files for him. He doesn't go beyond that. The Canon reps said repeatedly that this is a camera that is designed for tripods. Lepp said that the old reciprocity rule (i.e. You can handhold a 200mm at 1/200 or faster) may need to be revised - even with image stabilization. He was shooting a short telephoto lens in a setting where he only needed the IS to provide what we think of as one stop of stabilization and still couldn't get predictably sharp results.

 

[Viggo]

I ended up cancelling my pre-order. The 5DIII and 1D X do everything I need and I know all too well how quickly body prices fall if you wait a few months. I'm also anxious to avoid possible buyer's remorse when the 5DIV and 1DXII are announced.

Quite different form here then, after three years the 1dx costs the same as I bought it for a couple of m the after release. I like that kind of pricing, makes it no point to wait

 

[memoriaphoto]

Quite different form here then, after three years the 1dx costs the same as I bought it for a couple of m the after release. I like that kind of pricing, makes it no point to wait

I think you're right. Canon seems to drop the initial price in their "mainstream" line and big sellers. Having that said, there might be some small adjustments but nothing worth waiting for. If you want the camera now that is...

MAYBE if it turns out not to sell as good as planned and/or Mark 4 will steal buyers. But that doesn't sound likely. Two different targets.

 

[dolina]

Price drops indicates when a replacement model's in the horizon.

Say the 6D for example. CR reports a grey import being sold at $1,099 vs the standard price of $1,399.

I would be unsurprised if the 6D replacement will be announced by September and production units for sale by December.

A 1DX replacement will be out before August 2016 for the Summer Olympics.

 

[lichtmalen]

Are we seriously not talking about the fact that they get the newest and lens-wise most demanding body before everyone else and then put Canon's cheapest prime and a mid-to-upper-class zoom on that and not something like a Sigma Art or a 24-70 II / 70-200 II? Most of the pics I've seen of the 5Ds so far are technically taken so wrong that they are more of a bad advertising than actually helpful. I've seen out-of-focus and handheld-blurred shots of some people doing parcour where the focus is miles away from the subject or the exposure time is way too long for people in motion. I've seen pics with a Sigma 50 Art so massively underexposed and then pushed and also sharpened that all you see in 100% is noise and artifacts. Now we have pics with lenses that can't deliver what the body demands. Seriously, I can't wait to get mine and do a real-world tripod comparison between 5Ds and 5D Mark III with the stuff I've got. I have the slight feeling that is going to turn out way better.

 

[IglooEater]

@lightmalen couldn't agree more- I would love to see some *meaningful* tests and comparisons if ever you feel like publishing them!

 

[Bghead8che]

Other thoughts from Lepp: He says ISO 1600 delivers great quality files for him. He doesn't go beyond that. The Canon reps said repeatedly that this is a camera that is designed for tripods. Lepp said that the old reciprocity rule (i.e. You can handhold a 200mm at 1/200 or faster) may need to be revised - even with image stabilization. He was shooting a short telephoto lens in a setting where he only needed the IS to provide what we think of as one stop of stabilization and still couldn't get predictably sharp results.

I'm sorry but this is some serious misinformation and is the same hyperbole surrounding the D800 and how you would "HAVE" to use a tripod, double your shutter speed, and take 10 handheld shots for 1 one you planned on keeping. The whole thing has been repeatedly debunked by actual owners.

If you can take a picture with a 5D Mark III (or I, or II) then you will get the exact same number of out of focus shots with the 5DSR. While there are characteristics of 5DSR that will make it more suitable for tripod, studio, and landscape photography the fact that it is 50mp has nothing do with it.

Claiming that Canon is now revising the shutter rule based on 50mp count is rubbish. That would be like Nikon saying that with the new D820 at 50mp you can expect 15% more OOF shots and you must use a tripod. Reminds of people that keep saying the that while the 5D Mark III was a good street camera you should not even think of using the 5DSR. Why's that? Because it has 50MP of course! There's a street photography limit of 24MP and then it's shake, shake, shake (or should I say blur, blur, blur?). :

By the time we are 100MP we will be required to carry around concrete blocks to even consider taking a hand-held shot.

-Brian

 

[privatebydesign]

Other thoughts from Lepp: He says ISO 1600 delivers great quality files for him. He doesn't go beyond that. The Canon reps said repeatedly that this is a camera that is designed for tripods. Lepp said that the old reciprocity rule (i.e. You can handhold a 200mm at 1/200 or faster) may need to be revised - even with image stabilization. He was shooting a short telephoto lens in a setting where he only needed the IS to provide what we think of as one stop of stabilization and still couldn't get predictably sharp results.

I'm sorry but this is some serious misinformation and is the same hyperbole surrounding the D800 and how you would "HAVE" to use a tripod, double your shutter speed, and take 10 handheld shots for 1 one you planned on keeping. The whole thing has been repeatedly debunked by actual owners.

If you can take a picture with a 5D Mark III (or I, or II) then you will get the exact same number of out of focus shots with the 5DSR. While there are characteristics of 5DSR that will make it more suitable for tripod, studio, and landscape photography the fact that it is 50mp has nothing do with it.

Claiming that Canon is now revising the shutter rule based on 50mp count is rubbish. That would be like Nikon saying that with the new D820 at 50mp you can expect 15% more OOF shots and you must use a tripod. Reminds of people that keep saying the that while the 5D Mark III was a good street camera you should not even think of using the 5DSR. Why's that? Because it has 50MP of course! There's a street photography limit of 24MP and then it's shake, shake, shake (or should I say blur, blur, blur?). :

By the time we are 100MP we will be required to carry around concrete blocks to even consider taking a hand-held shot.

-Brian

For pixel level sharpness more pixels demand more stability.

Pixel level sharpness with more pixels implies greater magnification/output size.

For same size output stability is pixel density agnostic, a 5D MkIII and 5DSR will display the same camera shake at the same sized output.

You are right for a same sized output scenario, you are wrong for a pixel level test.

 

[eyeland]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Anyone know if one can achieve M + AutoIso + EC on the production model 5DS? (along the lines of what you can do with the 1DX) At the moment, it is one of the very few things that still really annoys me about the 5Dmk3[/font]