Canon EOS 6D Mark II Announcement Coming in July [CR2]

[hbr]

I have always enjoyed the cannibalizing sales arguments... The only way to avoid lesser models from cannibalizing sales of higher models is to only have one model, yet it is the lower models that are by far the bulk of Canon sales.

And from what I have read they are the bulk of Canon's profit.

 

[rfdesigner]

I can wait that long.. what I really want right now is a better wide than my 28mm f1.8.

28 f/2.8 IS. It's stellar at 2.8

but what's it like at f2.0 or wider?

 

[scyrene]

This would be great news for us Canon shooters who aren't quite in that 5D, 1DX market....hobbyists, enthusiasts who would like the cleaner images of full frame. If the 6D is spec'd around what the 80D, is, that would be more than enough for me. Don't really have any need for video features myself, although I realize a lot of you would like this. I would also like to see a jump to 1/8000 shutter speed as a wildlife photographer but probably wishful thinking there as well. Let's hope for the best middle ground for all of us at a price point that won't make us cringe. Keeping my fingers crossed!

I'm not sure what relevance 1/4000 vs 1/8000 has to wildlife shooting. I don't think I've ever taken a wildlife shot at that speed! Please explain

 

[scyrene]

In this day and age, Canon should give both. Being that the D750 from Nikon is 2-slot, 24mp, tilt screen and 51pt AF all for $1500. But we know that's not how Canon operates.

Unless that Nikon model is eating into their sales, they have no incentive to. Fwiw I think more focus points is a given, dual card slot much less so.

If Canon offered a camera as feature and spec rich as Nikon's entry level FF and given Canon's glass lineup - Canon would murder Nikon sales in that whole segment.

Your statement about how Nikon packs everything they can in there is true.

Right now, the D750 is a 24mp FF with 6fps, a very good 51pt AF system and dual card slots. With tilt screen too. For $1,500 on sale now. Their sensor already has on chip ADC, and produces incredible DR and image quality.

This is a camera that has been out a while now.

Yet, the specs we're only dreaming and hoping for, from a Canon camera that hasn't even been announced and for around $2,000 are weaker specs than what Nikon has offered now for nearly 2 years...

I think the smaller companies have to offer more in order to try and tempt people away from the market leader. Perhaps because Canon isn't playing sales catchup, it doesn't feel the need to offer so much?

 

[scyrene]

I wasn't totally disappointed Just the pricing was way to high in my opinion, the 5KMk2 was £2000, the Mk3 was £3000 and the Mk4 £3700, a big hike in price, but not so much in features. The biggest gripe was the UHD only being p30, I work in the broadcast industry and this is quite frankly laughable.

Are you taking into consideration inflation and currency fluctuations? Cos if not, that's a really unfair statement.

The biggest gripe was the UHD only being p30, I work in the broadcast industry and this is quite frankly laughable.

The 5D4 is not a broadcast video camera, is it?

 

[ahsanford]

I'm not sure what relevance 1/4000 vs 1/8000 has to wildlife shooting. I don't think I've ever taken a wildlife shot at that speed! Please explain

Yeah -- I was of the mindset that 1/8000 is coveted more by:

• Professional event/portraiture folks to not needing to use an ND when shooting fast primes wide open in the sun, which can clip the RHS of the histo at f/1.2, f/1.4, etc.
  
  
• Daylight outdoor sports, esp. freezing really fast motion in daylight (e.g. freezing a baseball, freezing a golf swing, etc.)
  
  
• Outdoor daylight nature work with flying little things you want to try to freeze the wings of while hovering (e.g. a bee, hummingbird, etc.)

If only Shutterdial let us leave the type of photography blank, we could do a blanket 1/8000s shutter speed search and see what others use it for. No such luck.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

I'm not sure what relevance 1/4000 vs 1/8000 has to wildlife shooting. I don't think I've ever taken a wildlife shot at that speed! Please explain

Yeah -- I was of the mindset that 1/8000 is coveted more by:

• Professional event/portraiture folks to not needing to use an ND when shooting fast primes wide open in the sun, which can clip the RHS of the histo at f/1.2, f/1.4, etc.
  
  
• Daylight outdoor sports, esp. freezing really fast motion in daylight (e.g. freezing a baseball, freezing a golf swing, etc.)
  
  
• Outdoor daylight nature work with flying little things you want to try to freeze the wings of while hovering (e.g. a bee, hummingbird, etc.)

If only Shutterdial let us leave the type of photography blank, we could do a blanket 1/8000s shutter speed search and see what others use it for. No such luck.

- A

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

 

[ahsanford]

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

And snowball fights on a sunny day. It's huge for that.

- A

 

[Luds34]

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

And snowball fights on a sunny day. It's huge for that.

- A

Hah, I get you guys are being tongue and cheek, but honestly the 1 stop difference between 1/4000 and 1/8000 is more of a specsmanship than anything. I'd be lying if I didn't cross my mine when I got the 6D and shot with f/2 and f/1.4 glass. However, my 2 cents says, if it is a serious shoot at all, aka a pro prepared photo shoot, then a CPL or 3 stop ND filter are already in the bag and available. And for those of us casual amateurs who are NOT going to run back in the house for a filter...? Well I've just let the metering blink/yell at me in those rare circumstances and even with the "limited" DR of the 6D I've always been able to recover, bring back the photo to something of my liking.

Yeah, ISO 100 at 1/4000th, I personally can't think of a time where that held me back even with f/1.4 glass.

(Now ask me about the Fuji's base ISO of 200 and I'll say I'm happy they have an electronic shutter as THAT extra stop begins to push it in the extreme bright scenes)

 

[Luds34]

I can wait that long.. what I really want right now is a better wide than my 28mm f1.8.

28 f/2.8 IS. It's stellar at 2.8

Sometimes I think I must have gotten the only good 28mm f/1.8 ever manufactured.

 

[Bungle]

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

And snowball fights on a sunny day. It's huge for that.

- A

Hah, I get you guys are being tongue and cheek, but honestly the 1 stop difference between 1/4000 and 1/8000 is more of a specsmanship than anything. I'd be lying if I didn't cross my mine when I got the 6D and shot with f/2 and f/1.4 glass. However, my 2 cents says, if it is a serious shoot at all, aka a pro prepared photo shoot, then a CPL or 3 stop ND filter are already in the bag and available. And for those of us casual amateurs who are NOT going to run back in the house for a filter...? Well I've just let the metering blink/yell at me in those rare circumstances and even with the "limited" DR of the 6D I've always been able to recover, bring back the photo to something of my liking.

Yeah, ISO 100 at 1/4000th, I personally can't think of a time where that held me back even with f/1.4 glass.

(Now ask me about the Fuji's base ISO of 200 and I'll say I'm happy they have an electronic shutter as THAT extra stop begins to push it in the extreme bright scenes)

Just to weigh in with one very tiny use. Everyone in my area is posting the standard tulip shots right now as they are in bloom. To try and get something somewhat different I've been using a Lensbaby Velvet which is f1.6. The lens blows the hell out of highlights so I try to ETTR as best I can. I just picked up a 3stop ND because even 1/8000 on the 5D3 (6D is on the road at the moment) is still slightly over exposed when the sun is out. If I stop down, the lens loses it's "velvety" effect.

 

[Luds34]

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

And snowball fights on a sunny day. It's huge for that.

- A

Hah, I get you guys are being tongue and cheek, but honestly the 1 stop difference between 1/4000 and 1/8000 is more of a specsmanship than anything. I'd be lying if I didn't cross my mine when I got the 6D and shot with f/2 and f/1.4 glass. However, my 2 cents says, if it is a serious shoot at all, aka a pro prepared photo shoot, then a CPL or 3 stop ND filter are already in the bag and available. And for those of us casual amateurs who are NOT going to run back in the house for a filter...? Well I've just let the metering blink/yell at me in those rare circumstances and even with the "limited" DR of the 6D I've always been able to recover, bring back the photo to something of my liking.

Yeah, ISO 100 at 1/4000th, I personally can't think of a time where that held me back even with f/1.4 glass.

(Now ask me about the Fuji's base ISO of 200 and I'll say I'm happy they have an electronic shutter as THAT extra stop begins to push it in the extreme bright scenes)

Just to weigh in with one very tiny use. Everyone in my area is posting the standard tulip shots right now as they are in bloom. To try and get something somewhat different I've been using a Lensbaby Velvet which is f1.6. The lens blows the hell out of highlights so I try to ETTR as best I can. I just picked up a 3stop ND because even 1/8000 on the 5D3 (6D is on the road at the moment) is still slightly over exposed when the sun is out. If I stop down, the lens loses it's "velvety" effect.

Absolutely fair enough. You are a use case.

Of course in fairness you said you have to do this with a 5D and it's 1/8000th shutter so it doesn't quite highlight a use case where the 1 stop between the 6D and 5D are making or breaking your workflow as they both "fail" in your use case.

 

[SecureGSM]

I would imaging that the following use case necessitates use of faster than 1/4000 shutter speed for sport photographers (Baseball, Tennis, Cricket, boxing, ice hockey, etc) . the following is a direct quote from Syl Arena's Speedliter's Handbook, 1st Edition (Text and images are copyright of Syl Arena). Smashing Pumpkins:

"...Freezing Supersonic Seeds Back in the days when I had my first SLR (hint: Nixon had just resigned), the top shutter speed on most cameras was 1⁄500″. In comparison, some 35+ years later, the shutter speeds on DSLRs seem supersonic. You’d think that anything north of 1⁄2000″ would be fast enough to freeze pumpkin shrapnel. Turns out that pumpkin seeds are supersonic, too. I shot at a variety of speeds—all in full-stop increments—from 1⁄400″ on (1⁄800″, 1⁄1600″,...). When I hit 1⁄3200″, and based on a close look at the camera’s LCD, I was sure we had stopped space and time. Back in the studio, with the benefit of Lightroom and a large monitor, I discovered
otherwise. Turns out that the magic didn’t happen until 1⁄6400″..."

At 1⁄3200″ (first image), the seeds still show a bit of motion blur. At 1⁄6400″ (second image) the seeds finally look sharp.

 

[LonelyBoy]

The biggest gripe was the UHD only being p30, I work in the broadcast industry and this is quite frankly laughable.

The 5D4 is not a broadcast video camera, is it?
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And this is why I get annoyed when the video freaks whine for more and more features and claim it doesn't add cost - when video is "just thrown in" the temper tantrums start that it doesn't support enough modes/ resolution/ recording time/ formats/ bit-rate/ ports. Guess what? All those things cost money. I'd sooner have the videographers crying themselves to sleep at night than pay for what they want. Go buy a video camera.

 

[scyrene]

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

And snowball fights on a sunny day. It's huge for that.

- A

Hah, I get you guys are being tongue and cheek, but honestly the 1 stop difference between 1/4000 and 1/8000 is more of a specsmanship than anything. I'd be lying if I didn't cross my mine when I got the 6D and shot with f/2 and f/1.4 glass. However, my 2 cents says, if it is a serious shoot at all, aka a pro prepared photo shoot, then a CPL or 3 stop ND filter are already in the bag and available. And for those of us casual amateurs who are NOT going to run back in the house for a filter...? Well I've just let the metering blink/yell at me in those rare circumstances and even with the "limited" DR of the 6D I've always been able to recover, bring back the photo to something of my liking.

Yeah, ISO 100 at 1/4000th, I personally can't think of a time where that held me back even with f/1.4 glass.

(Now ask me about the Fuji's base ISO of 200 and I'll say I'm happy they have an electronic shutter as THAT extra stop begins to push it in the extreme bright scenes)

Just to weigh in with one very tiny use. Everyone in my area is posting the standard tulip shots right now as they are in bloom. To try and get something somewhat different I've been using a Lensbaby Velvet which is f1.6. The lens blows the hell out of highlights so I try to ETTR as best I can. I just picked up a 3stop ND because even 1/8000 on the 5D3 (6D is on the road at the moment) is still slightly over exposed when the sun is out. If I stop down, the lens loses it's "velvety" effect.

Absolutely fair enough. You are a use case.

Of course in fairness you said you have to do this with a 5D and it's 1/8000th shutter so it doesn't quite highlight a use case where the 1 stop between the 6D and 5D are making or breaking your workflow as they both "fail" in your use case.

Agreed, there are cases where it is relevant, but not wildlife.

Anecdotally, the only time I really felt I needed 1/8000 (or even faster!) was using the 85L wide open in bright sunshine (even using ISO 50!), especially for flowers where intense colours can blow highlights easily.

 

[K]

(satire)

I'm a simple photographer. I just need a camera that does what I need and nothing else.

I have $2,000 burning a hole in my pocket. I love Canon. Given my basic needs, I'm ok with spending that much on 2008 era features and technology and see no problem with the value compared to other brands.

I hope Canon can design, manufacture and sell me a camera for $2,000 with 1 focus point only, as that is all I need and use.

I never had a card fail, so I will conclude it is impossible; thus I'm happy with one slot. And even if it were possible, I don't value the photos I take enough to protect them from loss. And I'll assume my occasional clients won't care either.

I work only with stills and as such 1fps is plenty.

I hope the new 6D2 doesn't have too many bells and whistles to confuse me or get in the way of my critical workflow and handling.

I really like the 6D because it is sooo small and tiny and compact I use it for travel. I pack this lightweight, compact DSLR along with my 100-400, 16-35 2.8 and a 50 1.2 for low light. The convenience is not to be overlooked! FF awesomeness with significant weight and space savings!

Canon's color science and technology is mind blowing. I may have spent $2,000 on a body, and $5,000+ on glass but I place no value in post processing and corrections, let alone calibration. I trust what comes right out of camera. Eat it Nikon with your inferior skin tones!

I wish Canon would just make me a 20D with a 16MP FF sensor and 16 stops of DR and sell it to me for $2,200. That would be the best.

Canon & Me, BFF XOXOXOXO

 

[Sporgon]

I can wait that long.. what I really want right now is a better wide than my 28mm f1.8.

28 f/2.8 IS. It's stellar at 2.8

Sometimes I think I must have gotten the only good 28mm f/1.8 ever manufactured.

I agree the 1.8/28 is razor in the middle at f/2.8, but it has a real weak zone around what would be the sides of the crop zone. If you've got one that doesn't do that you've done well !

 

[dak723]

(satire)

I'm a simple photographer. I just need a camera that does what I need and nothing else.

I have $2,000 burning a hole in my pocket. I love Canon. Given my basic needs, I'm OK with spending that much on 2008 era features and technology and see no problem with the value compared to other brands.

I hope Canon can design, manufacture and sell me a camera for $2,000 with 1 focus point only, as that is all I need and use.

I never had a card fail, so I will conclude it is impossible; thus I'm happy with one slot. And even if it were possible, I don't value the photos I take enough to protect them from loss. And I'll assume my occasional clients won't care either.

I work only with stills and as such 1fps is plenty.

I hope the new 6D2 doesn't have too many bells and whistles to confuse me or get in the way of my critical workflow and handling.

I really like the 6D because it is sooo small and tiny and compact I use it for travel. I pack this lightweight, compact DSLR along with my 100-400, 16-35 2.8 and a 50 1.2 for low light. The convenience is not to be overlooked! FF awesomeness with significant weight and space savings!

Canon's color science and technology is mind blowing. I may have spent $2,000 on a body, and $5,000+ on glass but I place no value in post processing and corrections, let alone calibration. I trust what comes right out of camera. Eat it Nikon with your inferior skin tones!

I wish Canon would just make me a 20D with a 16MP FF sensor and 16 stops of DR and sell it to me for $2,200. That would be the best.

Canon & Me, BFF XOXOXOXO

(Satire)

I am a complex photographer and thus need to show my friends how complex I am by buying a camera with the best specs. I don't need any of the advanced features, but I love having them. Bragging rights are important.

I have no money to spend, but that Sony A9 looks so sweet I will have to get it even though my current camera does a fine job and the technology barely changes from one (or more) generation to the next.

My next camera needs to have at least 400 focus points because...uh...well...more is better in everything, right?

I only do stills and no action photography, but I still demand that Canon gives me 12 fps, because...uh...well...

I demand histograms, zebras, focus peaking, and a huge electronc level (like Sony) so that my viewfinder is so cluttered I can no longer compose my picture. But who cares about the picture when I can look at all those cool displays?

I strongly prefer the look and color of Canon, but I would rather have a Nikon or Sony so that I can spend more time post processing my pics so they end up looking like Canon's pics.

I love the specs from Sony and Nikon. I wish Canon would make a camera just like the Nikon D750. I have - for years now - been hoping that Canon will make a camera just like the Nikon D750. Oh...What's that you say?...Why don't I buy a Nikon D750?............

Oh, never thought of that!

 

[hpc1979]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

 

[ahsanford]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

• Sensor should be a solid generation better. By far, this is the biggest reason.
• Tilty-flippy touchscreen (if you like those)
• Wifi+GPS
• Smaller and lighter -- better for general 'lugging it around' considerations, hiking, long days of shooting, etc.
• Better AF in LiveView thanks to DPAF
• Possibly it will keep interchangeable focusing screens for manual focus lens use

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

• 1/8000 shutter*
• Bigger and heavier = better handling for larger glass
• Dual slot*
• Better AF through the viewfinder (for the most part), more AF tune-ability in menus, dedicated AF joystick
• Far better build quality
• More buttons that let you drive things without digging into menus (DOF preview button, M-Fn up top, etc.)*
• Slightly faster flash sync speed*

*I say probably because we're not sure of the 6D2 specs yet. It may get some of the more 'pro' 5D level goodies added to it.

But don't let the relatively equal number of bullet points mislead you. The sensor + tilty flippy are a really big leg up for the 6D2.

I'm sure I missed something, but this forum -- as always -- will correct me on that.

- A