Canon EOS 6D Mark II Announcement Coming in July [CR2]

[Don Haines]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

• Sensor should be a solid generation better. By far, this is the biggest reason.
• Tilty-flippy touchscreen (if you like those)
• Wifi+GPS
• Smaller and lighter -- better for general 'lugging it around' considerations, hiking, long days of shooting, etc.
• Better AF in LiveView thanks to DPAF
• Possibly it will keep interchangeable focusing screens for manual focus lens use

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

• 1/8000 shutter*
• Bigger and heavier = better handling for larger glass
• Dual slot*
• Better AF through the viewfinder (for the most part), more AF tune-ability in menus, dedicated AF joystick
• Far better build quality
• More buttons that let you drive things without digging into menus (DOF preview button, M-Fn up top, etc.)*
• Slightly faster flash sync speed*

*I say probably because we're not sure of the 6D2 specs yet. It may get some of the more 'pro' 5D level goodies added to it.

But don't let the relatively equal number of bullet points mislead you. The sensor + tilty flippy are a really big leg up for the 6D2.

I'm sure I missed something, but this forum -- as always -- will correct me on that.

- A

Cost!

If you can afford the 6D2 and can't afford the 5D4, it really does not matter what features the 5D4 has.....

 

[ahsanford]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

- A

Cost!

If you can afford the 6D2 and can't afford the 5D4, it really does not matter what features the 5D4 has.....

Careful reading skills!

If you can't read what I've written, your rebuttal becomes a little silly. ;D

- A

 

[Don Haines]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

- A

Cost!

If you can afford the 6D2 and can't afford the 5D4, it really does not matter what features the 5D4 has.....

Careful reading skills!

If you can't read what I've written, your rebuttal becomes a little silly. ;D

- A

reading from a phone screen..... oops!

And it wasn't meant as a rebuttal, I agree with all your points and was just adding another, or so I thought....

 

[Bungle]

And children eating candy.... you need 1/8000 to freeze the action....

And snowball fights on a sunny day. It's huge for that.

- A

Hah, I get you guys are being tongue and cheek, but honestly the 1 stop difference between 1/4000 and 1/8000 is more of a specsmanship than anything. I'd be lying if I didn't cross my mine when I got the 6D and shot with f/2 and f/1.4 glass. However, my 2 cents says, if it is a serious shoot at all, aka a pro prepared photo shoot, then a CPL or 3 stop ND filter are already in the bag and available. And for those of us casual amateurs who are NOT going to run back in the house for a filter...? Well I've just let the metering blink/yell at me in those rare circumstances and even with the "limited" DR of the 6D I've always been able to recover, bring back the photo to something of my liking.

Yeah, ISO 100 at 1/4000th, I personally can't think of a time where that held me back even with f/1.4 glass.

(Now ask me about the Fuji's base ISO of 200 and I'll say I'm happy they have an electronic shutter as THAT extra stop begins to push it in the extreme bright scenes)

Just to weigh in with one very tiny use. Everyone in my area is posting the standard tulip shots right now as they are in bloom. To try and get something somewhat different I've been using a Lensbaby Velvet which is f1.6. The lens blows the hell out of highlights so I try to ETTR as best I can. I just picked up a 3stop ND because even 1/8000 on the 5D3 (6D is on the road at the moment) is still slightly over exposed when the sun is out. If I stop down, the lens loses it's "velvety" effect.

Absolutely fair enough. You are a use case.

Of course in fairness you said you have to do this with a 5D and it's 1/8000th shutter so it doesn't quite highlight a use case where the 1 stop between the 6D and 5D are making or breaking your workflow as they both "fail" in your use case.

EXACTLY. I was going to write "so is that one extra stop going to matter at that point anyway? Just get a 3stop ND.

 

[pokerz]

6dII= 6d with higher pixel count and burst rate I bet or it will affect 5d4 and 5d3's sales volumn, Canon is always smart

And 1080 Line skipping movie format is fine for Canon users.

 

[FramerMCB]

LOL @ people thinking a 6D2 will be in any way made to be comparable to a 5D4, let alone better than it in any way.

LOL indeed. Where would they get that nutty idea? :

Answer: The 6D already did offer things above and beyond what the 5D3 offered...

• The 6D had a -3 EV AF center point. The 5D3 did not.
• Some would argue the 6D was an ever-so-slightly better sensor than the 5D3 -- depending on what you shoot.
• The 6D had Wifi onboard. The 5D3 did not.
• The 6D had GPS onboard. The 5D3 did not.

...so it's not a stretch whatsoever to think the 6D2 might do the same to the 5D4.

I am not for a moment purporting the 6D was a better camera overall than the 5D3 because that would be insane. But in some aspects, the 6D absolutely got features the 5D3 did not -- this is not a matter of opinion.

Expect the 6D2 to do the same. It will get some small/nice things (beyond the tilty-flippy LCD) that will make the 5D4 owners juuuuust a little jealous. My vote is on a 'It is a 6 fps camera with an FF sensor on par with the 5D4's sensor for $1500 less.'

- A

I agree and think the 6D2 sensor might be slightly bettedifferent than the 5D4. I really wish the 6D2 came out earlier. I have two trips scheduled that I don't think it will be out in time so I'm likely going to get the 5D4 instead.

Maybe just rent a 5D Mk IV for your 2 different trips...

 

[FramerMCB]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

• Sensor should be a solid generation better. By far, this is the biggest reason.
• Tilty-flippy touchscreen (if you like those)
• Wifi+GPS
• Smaller and lighter -- better for general 'lugging it around' considerations, hiking, long days of shooting, etc.
• Better AF in LiveView thanks to DPAF
• Possibly it will keep interchangeable focusing screens for manual focus lens use

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

• 1/8000 shutter*
• Bigger and heavier = better handling for larger glass
• Dual slot*
• Better AF through the viewfinder (for the most part), more AF tune-ability in menus, dedicated AF joystick
• Far better build quality
• More buttons that let you drive things without digging into menus (DOF preview button, M-Fn up top, etc.)*
• Slightly faster flash sync speed*

*I say probably because we're not sure of the 6D2 specs yet. It may get some of the more 'pro' 5D level goodies added to it.

But don't let the relatively equal number of bullet points mislead you. The sensor + tilty flippy are a really big leg up for the 6D2.

I'm sure I missed something, but this forum -- as always -- will correct me on that.

- A

Well, I for one am hoping it specs out well vs. the Pentax K-1 (only with a little less weight, and of course, it will already have that beautiful Canon color/rendering). The "tilt" screen on the K-1 also looks rather interesting to me, but I wonder how well it will stand the test of time/use...

 

[ahsanford]

Well, I for one am hoping it specs out well vs. the Pentax K-1 (only with a little less weight, and of course, it will already have that beautiful Canon color/rendering). The "tilt" screen on the K-1 also looks rather interesting to me, but I wonder how well it will stand the test of time/use...

Pentax K-1:

36 MP
IBIS
Completely weather sealed
No AA filter
Dual Slot
Astro-tracing
Compatibility with APS-C glass

Yeeeeeah... That's not going to happen.

Canon has two overarching goals for the 6D2...

• Develop a reliable $2k price point FF rig
  
  
• Allow Canon to exit the 5D3

...and they don't need a K-1 level spec sheet to do that.

- A

 

[CanonCams]

Not sure if this means anything in the context of the MK II, but..

http://www.canonpricewatch.com/

MK IV is now under 3k.

 

[roast_pigeon]

I would be if 6D-II had everything 80D has plus: 1. full-frame-28/30 megapixels, 2. good-codec 4K video, 3. Bluetooth connectivity. Bonus will be dual card slots and extra battery life.

 

[BillB]

I would be if 6D-II had everything 80D has plus: 1. full-frame-28/30 megapixels, 2. good-codec 4K video, 3. Bluetooth connectivity. Bonus will be dual card slots and extra battery life.
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Canon may not want the 6DII to cannibalize the 5DIV, but they also want to convince a bunch of 5DII and 6D owners that the 6DII is too good to pass up, and maybe even some 5DIII owners as well. I'm hoping that Canon is betting on the too good to pass up strategy.

 

[lv]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

• Sensor should be a solid generation better. By far, this is the biggest reason.
• Tilty-flippy touchscreen (if you like those)
• Wifi+GPS
• Smaller and lighter -- better for general 'lugging it around' considerations, hiking, long days of shooting, etc.
• Better AF in LiveView thanks to DPAF
• Possibly it will keep interchangeable focusing screens for manual focus lens use

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

• 1/8000 shutter*
• Bigger and heavier = better handling for larger glass
• Dual slot*
• Better AF through the viewfinder (for the most part), more AF tune-ability in menus, dedicated AF joystick
• Far better build quality
• More buttons that let you drive things without digging into menus (DOF preview button, M-Fn up top, etc.)*
• Slightly faster flash sync speed*

*I say probably because we're not sure of the 6D2 specs yet. It may get some of the more 'pro' 5D level goodies added to it.

But don't let the relatively equal number of bullet points mislead you. The sensor + tilty flippy are a really big leg up for the 6D2.

I'm sure I missed something, but this forum -- as always -- will correct me on that.

- A

I'll correct* - 6D does have a DOF preview/flash modeling light button.

*Unless you know that Canon will remove it on the 6D mkII

 

[roast_pigeon]

Giving the Questimated specs, how do you guys think the 6D Mark II will compare to the 5D Mark III. Will it be a superior camera? I'm looking into buying my first Full Frame camera, so is the 6D Mark II a camera I should wait for, or is the 5D Mark III still going to be a superior camera no matter what? Thoughts?

Where the 6D2 will be better than the 5D3:

• Sensor should be a solid generation better. By far, this is the biggest reason.
• Tilty-flippy touchscreen (if you like those)
• Wifi+GPS
• Smaller and lighter -- better for general 'lugging it around' considerations, hiking, long days of shooting, etc.
• Better AF in LiveView thanks to DPAF
• Possibly it will keep interchangeable focusing screens for manual focus lens use

Where the 5D3 will (probably*) still be better than the 6D2:

• 1/8000 shutter*
• Bigger and heavier = better handling for larger glass
• Dual slot*
• Better AF through the viewfinder (for the most part), more AF tune-ability in menus, dedicated AF joystick
• Far better build quality
• More buttons that let you drive things without digging into menus (DOF preview button, M-Fn up top, etc.)*
• Slightly faster flash sync speed*

*I say probably because we're not sure of the 6D2 specs yet. It may get some of the more 'pro' 5D level goodies added to it.

But don't let the relatively equal number of bullet points mislead you. The sensor + tilty flippy are a really big leg up for the 6D2.

I'm sure I missed something, but this forum -- as always -- will correct me on that.

- A

I'll correct* - 6D does have a DOF preview/flash modeling light button.

*Unless you know that Canon will remove it on the 6D mkII

Just give me a Full Frame version of 80D plus great 4K video codec, please!