Canon EOS 6D Mark II Poll Results

[amorse]

What, no DR complaints They used to take up much of the discussion, now its 4K. Whats the big hot button after than? Probably the AF spread.

I'm withholding my DR complaints until I see a full review and find some raw files to tinker with :

It's all speculation until then!

 

[mashuto]

What, no DR complaints They used to take up much of the discussion, now its 4K. Whats the big hot button after than? Probably the AF spread.

Can't complain about something we have no real info about... Also it wasnt one of the options.

Personally, I preordered, but DR is my biggest hesitation with my preorder right now. I like the features of the camera, but for the value to really be worth the cost for me, I need better DR and improved shadow/noise performance.

As of right now, all we have to go on is that early previewers say quality is increased over the original 6D, but theres been no way to measure it.

The DPReview article was a bit disappointing there too since the samples were just ok, though unless I am remembering wrong, they werent allowed to take raw files home with them to really play with them. But it also had a mention of a canon rep saying DR wouldnt be at the same level as the 5D4. And that worries me.

Do full reviews usually come out before release? Because I have until then to change my mind. Been considering the 5D4 a bit too, it has DR more in line with what I want, the 30MP would be a nice boost over 26, but its quite a bit more than I want to spend and has a lot of features I just dont care about and will never use (including 4k video). Plus its missing at least one feature I am actually looking forward to having again, the screen.

 

[Luds34]

I'm surprised that the popup flash has more votes than UHS-1 SD Slot.

Lol, I voted for pop up flash, only because there wasn't a 'none of these items bother me' option.

Alan.

Hah, I was in a similar boat. I voted for the AF spread not being wide enough while understanding the spread usually only gets so wide on the full frame sensor.

My votes fell with CR's take, with the big plus being the 45 point AF system and that I pre-ordered. Looking forward to getting the new toy!

 

[Luds34]

I'm actually a bit surprised so many pre-ordered with so little in the way of sample images.

I feel any thinking that the 6D2 IQ/sensor won't be better than the 6D would be naive. And as one who thoroughly enjoyed the sensor in the 6D, it really doesn't become a concern. I expect to see a nice little bump in DR and high ISO shooting as we did in the 80D and 5D4 compared to their predecessors. Either way, it can't be worse than the 6D, only better.

 

[ahsanford]

I keep seeing DR come up on this thread. Just curious why there is any doubt on the DR side of things. See below -- these are the three sensors to come out with the on-chip ADC sensors.

See a trend on the DR figures. Why would anyone suspect that number would mysteriously plummet with the 6D2?

- A

 

[hbr]

At 12:03 am on the 29th I noticed the Canon announcement. I already had the B&H Photo Video website up. At 12:05 am I saw the preorder notice on B&H and by 12:10 am I had mine ordered. I did not even check to see how the actual specs matched up with the rumored ones.
I felt that with the Digic 7 and on chip ADC the final RAW files should be quite a bit better than the Mark I. I will soon know if I was right or not on this. I also wanted the 45 point AF, Tilt/flip screen and DPAF.

Brian

 

[james75]

Yeah the canon rep at the b&h livecast said the 5d4 sensor will probably still be a little better.

 

[Khalai]

What, no DR complaints They used to take up much of the discussion, now its 4K. Whats the big hot button after than? Probably the AF spread.

I think the 6D2 will sell very well, but when a....

$2200 D760 comes out that looks like a 5D4 (e.g. 8 fps + 4K + dual slots), or an

$1800 A7 III comes out with IBIS + 4K + a bajillion AF points

...folks are gonna grumble. That's what they do.

- A

Folks are gonna grumble, 6D II price are gonna tumble (down I hope)

 

[snappy604]

didn't vote (meant to).. 4k would've been nice but not a show stopper. Honestly puzzled by the small spread and by the pop up flash removal.

The flash was something I used a fair bit to control my other external canon flashes. Yeah I know you can get another unit, but why nerf a useful feature?

Other than being FF over Crop, seems too similar to my 80D, in some was a step back.. now feeling rather luke warm until I see reviews. Not sure I'll be getting one.

Canon used to have some pretty serious breakthroughs... dual pixel is nice, but I don't see how to effectively use it hand held for fast moving objects (kids, birds, planes, sports etc). Really scratching my head over the release. Not given up, but certain not enthused.

 

[Jopa]

No pop-up flash, no retractable selfie stick, no Hello Kitty UI skin, no direct upload to Snap Chat... WTF Canon????????????? Gonna pass

 

[Jopa]

What, no DR complaints They used to take up much of the discussion, now its 4K. Whats the big hot button after than? Probably the AF spread.

I think the 6D2 will sell very well, but when a....

$2200 D760 comes out that looks like a 5D4 (e.g. 8 fps + 4K + dual slots), or an

$1800 A7 III comes out with IBIS + 4K + a bajillion AF points

...folks are gonna grumble. That's what they do.

- A

You probably didn't follow Sony price trends...Every new camera adds about 10-20% $ of its predecessor, and they keep the predecessor on the market as well. So the A7III will be at least $2k. Yes, it will have a bajillion half-dead pixels known as "AF points"...

 

[amorse]

I keep seeing DR come up on this thread. Just curious why there is any doubt on the DR side of things. See below -- these are the three sensors to come out with the on-chip ADC sensors.

See a trend on the DR figures. Why would anyone suspect that number would mysteriously plummet with the 6D2?

- A

My grumblings are directly related to this comment from DPR:

"According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8979194861/the-same-but-different-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-shooting-experience

I think I (like many others) incorrectly expected that the 6D II would be equivalent to or better than the 5D IV in Dynamic Range since that was what happened with the 6D release after the 5D III. Also, I always understood that Canon's perspective on sensor quality was that Canon always puts the best sensor technology available into their cameras regardless of where it fits into their line. This has also been in line for their last several offerings (i.e. cameras released later seem to have better DR than whatever camera came before it regardless of price point - i.e. 5D IV>1DXII>80D> etc. etc.).

With the reported suggestion from a Canon representative that dynamic range will not be equivalent to the 5D IV, that suggests a break in this perceived trend. Dynamic range is my most desired improvement, and if the 6D II isn't as good as the 5D IV, I'll look at the 5D IV or wait for a 5DSR II.

That DPR article is the only place I've seen that comment on DR, so it is all truly speculation at this point. That's enough to make me wait to see some full reviews before I decide what I buy.

To be clear - I don't think Canon is doomed or making huge mistakes. I'm just trying to be responsible with my purchasing choices based on my needs, and this is my biggest yet-unanswered question which I thought I knew the answer to... until that DPR article.

 

[Khalai]

My grumblings are directly related to this comment from DPR:

"According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8979194861/the-same-but-different-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-shooting-experience

I think I (like many others) incorrectly expected that the 6D II would be equivalent to or better than the 5D IV in Dynamic Range since that was what happened with the 6D release after the 5D III. Also, I always understood that Canon's perspective on sensor quality was that Canon always puts the best sensor technology available into their cameras regardless of where it fits into their line. This has also been in line for their last several offerings (i.e. cameras released later seem to have better DR than whatever camera came before it regardless of price point - i.e. 5D IV>1DXII>80D> etc. etc.).

With the reported suggestion from a Canon representative that dynamic range will not be equivalent to the 5D IV, that suggests a break in this perceived trend. Dynamic range is my most desired improvement, and if the 6D II isn't as good as the 5D IV, I'll look at the 5D IV or wait for a 5DSR II.

That DPR article is the only place I've seen that comment on DR, so it is all truly speculation at this point. That's enough to make me wait to see some full reviews before I decide what I buy.

To be clear - I don't think Canon is doomed or making huge mistakes. I'm just trying to be responsible with my purchasing choices based on my needs, and this is my biggest yet-unanswered question which I thought I knew the answer to... until that DPR article.

DPR has used third party software with no proper support. Let's wait until there are cameras in the field, multiple reviews released and then we can make some conclusions. I never trust a single source, always need some verification from another sources...

 

[mashuto]

My grumblings are directly related to this comment from DPR:

"According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8979194861/the-same-but-different-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-shooting-experience

I think I (like many others) incorrectly expected that the 6D II would be equivalent to or better than the 5D IV in Dynamic Range since that was what happened with the 6D release after the 5D III. Also, I always understood that Canon's perspective on sensor quality was that Canon always puts the best sensor technology available into their cameras regardless of where it fits into their line. This has also been in line for their last several offerings (i.e. cameras released later seem to have better DR than whatever camera came before it regardless of price point - i.e. 5D IV>1DXII>80D> etc. etc.).

With the reported suggestion from a Canon representative that dynamic range will not be equivalent to the 5D IV, that suggests a break in this perceived trend. Dynamic range is my most desired improvement, and if the 6D II isn't as good as the 5D IV, I'll look at the 5D IV or wait for a 5DSR II.

That DPR article is the only place I've seen that comment on DR, so it is all truly speculation at this point. That's enough to make me wait to see some full reviews before I decide what I buy.

To be clear - I don't think Canon is doomed or making huge mistakes. I'm just trying to be responsible with my purchasing choices based on my needs, and this is my biggest yet-unanswered question which I thought I knew the answer to... until that DPR article.

DPR has used third party software with no proper support. Let's wait until there are cameras in the field, multiple reviews released and then we can make some conclusions. I never trust a single source, always need some verification from another sources...

My thoughts mirror amorse, that it was the expectation that since it is their newest sensor, it would be the best performing one, as was the case with the 6D when compared with the 5D3.

Anyways, what concerns me most is just that dpreview is a large and I think reputable source who got that directly from canon representatives.

So I am not expecting it to perform worse than the original 6D in any way, I just am concerned that the improvement may not necessarily be as large as some of us were expecting or hoping.

And I am not trying to jump to a conclusion, only that is is still unknown and is my one source of hesitation here because we just dont know how much of an improvement over the original it actually will be... and obviously the worrying quote from that dpreview article.

 

[stevelee]

I have not pre-ordered the camera. It is very likely that I will buy one, but I prefer to buy it locally, after I have held it in my hand and looked through the viewfinder. I probably won't have the good sense to wait for the price to come down. My main decision will be which, if any, of the kit lenses to buy. My guess is that the 3.5-5.6 STM lens will be fine for my purposes, and I don't need to spend the extra $600 for the f/4 L version. If the weather is bad, I'm not going to be out taking pictures. If I want more speed or sharpness, I'll use one of the primes I already have, and will likely add to their number after I get used to the camera and decide what focal lengths I feel like I miss.

I'm coming from a very different place from most of the posters here. I'm looking toward an upgrade from a T3i. When the 80D came out, I considered getting it, but decided to consider going full frame, and wait to see what the 6D II would be like. The wait has been longer than I was expecting. But I don't really need the camera; I just would like to have it.

As it is, I don't even take the T3i with me when I travel. I have a G7X Mark II that fits in my pocket and makes really nice pictures. I shoot RAW and let Photoshop do the corrections for the little lens. The camera was a nice upgrade from my previous S95 and S120 cameras, from which I have quite decent framed 12" x 18" prints, printed with my Epson R3000, hanging on my walls. I'm about to print off a couple GX7 shots from a recent trip to Scotland to add to the collection.

As for video, I have shot 4K using my iPhone. (Your snickers do not offend me.) The extra resolution allowed me to crop significantly when editing. I don't think I will miss 4K on a camera that can use zoom lenses. The default AF on the G7X works for me, so the lack of spread on 45 AF points is not likely to freak me out any time soon. I enjoy reading the comments of others who have different needs and interests. But I'm coming from a very different baseline, and I answered the poll accordingly.

 

[amorse]

My grumblings are directly related to this comment from DPR:

"According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8979194861/the-same-but-different-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-shooting-experience

I think I (like many others) incorrectly expected that the 6D II would be equivalent to or better than the 5D IV in Dynamic Range since that was what happened with the 6D release after the 5D III. Also, I always understood that Canon's perspective on sensor quality was that Canon always puts the best sensor technology available into their cameras regardless of where it fits into their line. This has also been in line for their last several offerings (i.e. cameras released later seem to have better DR than whatever camera came before it regardless of price point - i.e. 5D IV>1DXII>80D> etc. etc.).

With the reported suggestion from a Canon representative that dynamic range will not be equivalent to the 5D IV, that suggests a break in this perceived trend. Dynamic range is my most desired improvement, and if the 6D II isn't as good as the 5D IV, I'll look at the 5D IV or wait for a 5DSR II.

That DPR article is the only place I've seen that comment on DR, so it is all truly speculation at this point. That's enough to make me wait to see some full reviews before I decide what I buy.

To be clear - I don't think Canon is doomed or making huge mistakes. I'm just trying to be responsible with my purchasing choices based on my needs, and this is my biggest yet-unanswered question which I thought I knew the answer to... until that DPR article.

DPR has used third party software with no proper support. Let's wait until there are cameras in the field, multiple reviews released and then we can make some conclusions. I never trust a single source, always need some verification from another sources...

I absolutely agree, that's the only option here for those of us who want a lot of DR. That's why I'm not pre-ordering - if DR is better on a 5D IV, I'll get that instead. I don't think the DPR comments on DR were based on their own assessment, however - they were reporting on what a Canon rep had said. For all that any of us know, that rep was full of it or misquoted by DPR, but until I see some real-world tests I'll keep my money in my bank account.

 

[snappy604]

No pop-up flash, no retractable selfie stick, no Hello Kitty UI skin, no direct upload to Snap Chat... WTF Canon????????????? Gonna pass

While it may not be useful to you, the pop up flash allows you to control other canon flashes and their settings. It's quite handy if you use external flashes and more useful to me than ***, Bluetooth or NFC

 

[Khalai]

My grumblings are directly related to this comment from DPR:

"According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8979194861/the-same-but-different-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-shooting-experience

I think I (like many others) incorrectly expected that the 6D II would be equivalent to or better than the 5D IV in Dynamic Range since that was what happened with the 6D release after the 5D III. Also, I always understood that Canon's perspective on sensor quality was that Canon always puts the best sensor technology available into their cameras regardless of where it fits into their line. This has also been in line for their last several offerings (i.e. cameras released later seem to have better DR than whatever camera came before it regardless of price point - i.e. 5D IV>1DXII>80D> etc. etc.).

With the reported suggestion from a Canon representative that dynamic range will not be equivalent to the 5D IV, that suggests a break in this perceived trend. Dynamic range is my most desired improvement, and if the 6D II isn't as good as the 5D IV, I'll look at the 5D IV or wait for a 5DSR II.

That DPR article is the only place I've seen that comment on DR, so it is all truly speculation at this point. That's enough to make me wait to see some full reviews before I decide what I buy.

To be clear - I don't think Canon is doomed or making huge mistakes. I'm just trying to be responsible with my purchasing choices based on my needs, and this is my biggest yet-unanswered question which I thought I knew the answer to... until that DPR article.

DPR has used third party software with no proper support. Let's wait until there are cameras in the field, multiple reviews released and then we can make some conclusions. I never trust a single source, always need some verification from another sources...

I absolutely agree, that's the only option here for those of us who want a lot of DR. That's why I'm not pre-ordering - if DR is better on a 5D IV, I'll get that instead. I don't think the DPR comments on DR were based on their own assessment, however - they were reporting on what a Canon rep had said. For all that any of us know, that rep was full of it or misquoted by DPR, but until I see some real-world tests I'll keep my money in my bank account.

Preorder is bound for early acquisition syndrome anyway. If we could wait almost five years for 6D II, we can surely wait a few weeks more, it makes no difference. I secretly believe that 6D II will be on par with 5D IV or 1DX II concerning DR. If they can squeeze over 13 stops from 80D (according to DxO), they can surely do better with 6D II.

 

[Khalai]

No pop-up flash, no retractable selfie stick, no Hello Kitty UI skin, no direct upload to Snap Chat... WTF Canon????????????? Gonna pass

While it may not be useful to you, the pop up flash allows you to control other canon flashes and their settings. It's quite handy if you use external flashes and more useful to me than ***, Bluetooth or NFC

AFAIK no Canon FF camera bodies ever had flash unit. Correct me if I'm wrong of course. This was expected, no suprise there...

 

[rrcphoto]

I keep seeing DR come up on this thread. Just curious why there is any doubt on the DR side of things. See below -- these are the three sensors to come out with the on-chip ADC sensors.

See a trend on the DR figures. Why would anyone suspect that number would mysteriously plummet with the 6D2?

- A

My grumblings are directly related to this comment from DPR:

"According to Canon representatives, the 6D Mark II should outperform the original 6D (which it very evidently does) but may not offer the same kind of dynamic range and absolute resolution of the EOS 5D Mark IV."

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8979194861/the-same-but-different-canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-shooting-experience

I think I (like many others) incorrectly expected that the 6D II would be equivalent to or better than the 5D IV in Dynamic Range since that was what happened with the 6D release after the 5D III. Also, I always understood that Canon's perspective on sensor quality was that Canon always puts the best sensor technology available into their cameras regardless of where it fits into their line.

and yet many others were saying that theory was pretty much a fallicy.

especially when the 77D/T7i did *NOT* get the 80D sensor, but a lower quality one.