Canon EOS 6D Mark II Talk [CR1]

[Takingshots]

With the new Sony A7rii in the market and tested , voted by DP review as the best, Canon needs to ante up their specs on their dslr. By the time A7rii benig fully field tested and critique in the mass market, Sony will by then improve on those criticisms and roll in their newer 3rd version. CAnon and Nikon still being the 8 th ball trying to match Sony's specifications.....

 

[Adelino]

I really just want what would be a full frame Rebel. 24 MP more dynamic range, the iso range seems great already. Maybe Canon will come out with a lower end model for us enthusiast only consumers?

 

[crashpc]

Wow lower Class FF would be awesome for some. Tinny black box, even without wiewfinder, only vital controls for exp. settings and LCD, for under $1000 would be welcome

 

[rfdesigner]

If we stop and think about it, when the 6D was introduced it was essentially a 5DII, but with working AutoISO, better sensor, hypersensitive AF, lighter and noticably less expensive than a 5DIII, but perhaps not quite as indestructable as the 5DII.

Let's just hope they do the same again.

Anyone want a 5DIII with a better AF (and the sensor AF points lighting up in the viewfinder), better sensor, about the same weight as the current 6D, keeping the wifi and gps, and with an introductory price about the same price as the best priced 5DIII, but falling noticably over the first year? to about where we are now with the current 6D..

Dunno what a 5DIVs going to add to that?..

 

[tomri]

If we stop and think about it, when the 6D was introduced it was essentially a 5DII, but with working AutoISO, better sensor, hypersensitive AF, lighter and noticably less expensive than a 5DIII, but perhaps not quite as indestructable as the 5DII.

Let's just hope they do the same again.
(snip)

When the 5DIII appeared the sensor was a disappointment just as much as was the AF of the 5DII and consequently on the 6D.
If the 5DiV makes a significant step in sensor technology, I just hope they carry that forward to the 6DII as well and not make us wait another half-decade ;-(

 

[Sporgon]

When the 5DIII appeared the sensor was a disappointment

To whom ? Yourself ?

I could produce quotes from many successful pros, some high profile, who felt the sensor in the 5DIII was (and is) superb.

Don't confuse extraordinary shadow latitude with overall sensor quality.

 

[tomscott]

Yep the 5DMKIII wasn't a huge upgrade IQ wise compared to the 5DII but is excellent.

 

[Takingshots]

Canon be quick with the release... Getting old waiting ... or one should jump to Sony A7Rii when X'mas sale is on ....

 

[LSeries]

The cons would be a bloated, battery killing, messy OS/firmware that brings all kinds of other bugs, hassles and headaches with it.

This is just a myth. There are thousands of Android devices working perfectly, including my beloved Moto G.

Besides, Samsung released an Android-based camera a long time ago. Now they have a couple of models:
http://www.samsung.com/us/photography/galaxy-camera

Do they have the issues you mentioned?

 

[K]

When the 5DIII appeared the sensor was a disappointment

To whom ? Yourself ?

I could produce quotes from many successful pros, some high profile, who felt the sensor in the 5DIII was (and is) superb.

Don't confuse extraordinary shadow latitude with overall sensor quality.

Well said.


The 5D3 is weak in the shadows and has banding and whatnot compared to others. But for 99% of the rest of real photography, it is an amazing sensor capable of professional results.

I've compared studio shots of the 5D3 against the D810, and when sized the same - you cannot tell the difference. The detail and quality is incredible.

The 5D3 sensor will continue to put out high quality images for another decade. While there will be better sensors out there in the future, the 5D3's sensor isn't going to get worse. In other words, the level of technical quality achieved by that sensor will be useful for a long time.

The same is true of sensors of previous generations.


As for the 6D. 2 card slots, or Canon can keep it as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what in the universe excuse, justification, apology or what not people come up with - a $2k+ dslr ought to have a 2nd slot.

 

[jeffa4444]

When the 5DIII appeared the sensor was a disappointment

To whom ? Yourself ?

I could produce quotes from many successful pros, some high profile, who felt the sensor in the 5DIII was (and is) superb.

Don't confuse extraordinary shadow latitude with overall sensor quality.

Well said.


The 5D3 is weak in the shadows and has banding and whatnot compared to others. But for 99% of the rest of real photography, it is an amazing sensor capable of professional results.

I've compared studio shots of the 5D3 against the D810, and when sized the same - you cannot tell the difference. The detail and quality is incredible.

The 5D3 sensor will continue to put out high quality images for another decade. While there will be better sensors out there in the future, the 5D3's sensor isn't going to get worse. In other words, the level of technical quality achieved by that sensor will be useful for a long time.

The same is true of sensors of previous generations.


As for the 6D. 2 card slots, or Canon can keep it as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what in the universe excuse, justification, apology or what not people come up with - a $2k+ dslr ought to have a 2nd slot.

Never got the need for 2XCards for the majority, I certainly didnt chose the 5DS for 2xCards however the 5DMKIII gives this option and their is really not much real world difference between the two sensors.
The 6D MKII needs better AF and not just a bump up to 19 points, it should have better DR and eliminate the banding it can be prone too (not had any in the 5DS). Everything else about it I would keep its the best value camera Canon make considering ther sensor (again minus the low level banding) and the wi-fi coupled to the GPS make it a great landscape & travel camera.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

When the 5DIII appeared the sensor was a disappointment

To whom ? Yourself ?

I could produce quotes from many successful pros, some high profile, who felt the sensor in the 5DIII was (and is) superb.

Don't confuse extraordinary shadow latitude with overall sensor quality.

Well said.


The 5D3 is weak in the shadows and has banding and whatnot compared to others. But for 99% of the rest of real photography, it is an amazing sensor capable of professional results.

I've compared studio shots of the 5D3 against the D810, and when sized the same - you cannot tell the difference. The detail and quality is incredible.

The 5D3 sensor will continue to put out high quality images for another decade. While there will be better sensors out there in the future, the 5D3's sensor isn't going to get worse. In other words, the level of technical quality achieved by that sensor will be useful for a long time.

The same is true of sensors of previous generations.


As for the 6D. 2 card slots, or Canon can keep it as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what in the universe excuse, justification, apology or what not people come up with - a $2k+ dslr ought to have a 2nd slot.

Never got the need for 2XCards for the majority, I certainly didnt chose the 5DS for 2xCards however the 5DMKIII gives this option and their is really not much real world difference between the two sensors.
The 6D MKII needs better AF and not just a bump up to 19 points, it should have better DR and eliminate the banding it can be prone too (not had any in the 5DS). Everything else about it I would keep its the best value camera Canon make considering ther sensor (again minus the low level banding) and the wi-fi coupled to the GPS make it a great landscape & travel camera.

Strange, I shot many landscapes with the 6D at every ISO and pushed the files very hard in PS. Never once did I detect and banding in any image. Maybe there was something wrong with your copy?

The big bonus for me and using dual slots, is that I could dump my 16 and 32 gig cards and just put two 128+ gig cards into the camera with RAW files being written to both at once. That way I never have to open up the camera to swap cards, don't have to carry a card case (added weight), and my files are still safe if one of the cards shits the bed. On top of that, in an extreme case where I happen to fill the cards, I can clear one card and take new shots on it.

Seeing as how even the Nikon D7XXX series all have dual slots, I don't see why Canon can't put the same into their FF model that costs more. Heck, even both the D610 and D750 have dual slots. I think Canon is worried the cameras would be more tempting for professionals to purchase and want them to pony up the huge price increase for a 5D or 1D series body.

 

[Crosswind]

Strange, I shot many landscapes with the 6D at every ISO and pushed the files very hard in PS. Never once did I detect and banding in any image.

Oh there is banding with the 6D even at ISO 100, but you wont see it until you do image stacking and light up underexposed shadows. You can see it best when looking at uniform areas of the image. Still, (in most cases) it is nothing to worry about I'd say. I am pretty happy with my 6D except that it has no tilting screen and very low sensitivity LiveView. Wish the mark II will deliver on that.

Please guys, do not quote tons of text. Sometimes it's a burden to read.

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Strange, I shot many landscapes with the 6D at every ISO and pushed the files very hard in PS. Never once did I detect and banding in any image.

Oh there is banding with the 6D even at ISO 100, but you wont see it until you do image stacking and light up underexposed shadows. You can see it best when looking at uniform areas of the image. Still, (in most cases) it is nothing to worry about I'd say. I am pretty happy with my 6D except that it has no tilting screen and very low sensitivity LiveView. Wish the mark II will deliver on that.

Please guys, do not quote tons of text. Sometimes it's a burden to read.

It's probably your copy or the software you are using. I have never once seen banding in any RAW file from my 6D. Don't presume that I haven't done enough to find banding in my files, as that was something I tested very thoroughly when deciding to keep the camera or return it. I am super picky about banding especially after owning the dreaded 5D2 nightmare of a camera.

 

[rfdesigner]

It's probably your copy or the software you are using. I have never once seen banding in any RAW file from my 6D. Don't presume that I haven't done enough to find banding in my files, as that was something I tested very thoroughly when deciding to keep the camera or return it. I am super picky about banding especially after owning the dreaded 5D2 nightmare of a camera.

have you ever stacked images? your answer suggests you haven't.. I'm talking 30+ images all the same exposure?... not just an HDR from 3 images of different lengths.

Stacking reveals all sorts of fixed pattern noise.

(I've taken astro shots with over 8 hours with the shutter open for just one shot.. not with a 6D though)

 

[TeT]

.. not with a 6D though)

Pure curious query; what camera do you stack with?

 

[rfdesigner]

.. not with a 6D though)

Pure curious query; what camera do you stack with?

atik 383L+

I've also it with my 30D

 

[SOD]

:-*

I expect we will see a 6D Mk II with a new sensor outputting 40+ MP, mostly as an F-U to Nikon. It will be a slightly less robust version of the 51 MP sensor in the 5DS and 5DS R. Giving pros a reason to still prefer the 5DS over the 6D II, yet giving the 6D II more resolution than even the top-of-the-line D8100 from Nikon!

 

[eninja]

:-*

I expect we will see a 6D Mk II with a new sensor outputting 40+ MP, mostly as an F-U to Nikon. It will be a slightly less robust version of the 51 MP sensor in the 5DS and 5DS R. Giving pros a reason to still prefer the 5DS over the 6D II, yet giving the 6D II more resolution than even the top-of-the-line D8100 from Nikon!

6D should be entry full frame so.i doubt it would have high megapixel. It would give a free taste to 5D and above as an analogy.

 

[DLD]

I came over last year from Nikon. I'm disappointed in a few things.

Poor dynamic range, this has been covered, hopefully they improve it.
Poor focus system, not great in low light, a bit inconsistent compared (this is all in comparison to my Nikons)...
No metering on selected focus points, center only...

Everything else is really cool and any updates will be welcome...