Canon EOS 6D Mark II to Get New 26mp Sensor [CR3]

[LonelyBoy]

Hmm, not sure I agree. "I am getting a 1D", "I am getting a 1DX", "I want a 1 series camera which should I get?", no need for a spurious 'C' or 'classic' and the different meanings of the two statements and a question are quite clear.

And why the conflation of 'bodies' and 'rigs'? A camera rig is a distinct thing that has a very different meaning to camera body yet more and more people clearly mean body when they say rig.

You don't have to agree. This isn't a debate. The fact is, clearly, most people prefer to use "1Dc" for "classic", even though it annoys you and a few others. You can be as annoyed by it as you like (I have a mile-long list of grammatical pet peeves, so I feel your pain), but get the notion out of your head that "we broke that habit".

 

[ahsanford]

Why do we have this penchant for renaming anything that doesn't have a MkI badge as a 'Classic', or 'C'? I thought we broke that habit with the 1DC.

A 6D is a 6D, it isn't a 6Dc, a 5D is a 5D, not a 5D classic.

Agree, "c" for classic should die a fiery death, but I value a shorthand to reinforce which model I am actually talking about. So once I know a "2" version is coming out, I call the original a "1" for clarity.

So I call the (original) 6D a 6D1 in my forward looking conversations about the 6D2. Though it admittedly looks funny to read/write, no one ever gets confused what I am writing about. 8)

Because it allows for the much simpler reference to the concept of "the 1D class of cameras" as "1D". Usually it's quite clear from context what people mean, but pedants get annoyed.

Ah, yes, but this is different. Good point. For a general reference to brand-level rather than specific model, I usually say "1-series" or "1DX#" (literally the # symbol to imply the entire family). Same goes for the 5-series, though I am not 100% consistent there -- probably somewhere else on this very thread I have thrown about 5D in a general brand sense when others could have misinterpreted me.

- A

 

[Andries]

Well I've been waiting for this for some time now. Ever since I've transitioned to digital photography in 2004, I have been working with APS-C sized sensors (10D, 40D, 60D and now 80D). Last year I was able try out a 6D and I loved it. So I've been saving up to get a FF camera. For me, as a hobbyist the 5D4 is irrelevant, as it is simply way above budget. Last year I invested in some glass, selling all EF-S lenses and getting EF lenses instead, preparing for a FF camera.

Current candidates are the Canon 6D2 and the Sony A7II with MC-11 converter.
Although not yet released, the 6D2 does have my preference, as all the gear I own is for Canon EOS cameras.
Now I'm eagerly awaiting full specs of the 6D2 before I make any choice.

- 26Mp is just fine, 24 or more is exactly what I wanted.
- An AF system similar to the 80D with a extra sensitive center point for low light conditions would be a plus !
- Anything close to 5fps or higher is good enough for me.
- Hoping for improved Dynamic Range and low light performance over the 6D.
- The vari-angle display is welcome, but no must as I use the viewfinder over 99% of the time.
- Dual SD slot would also be welcome, but a single SD slot would not be a deal breaker.
- Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and any video functions are absolutely unnecessary for me as I would never use them.
- Price point will be decisive. Over €2,200 for the 6D2 and I'll most likely go with the Sony. Under €2,000 and it's definitely the 6D2. Anything in between ...

 

[BillB]

Why do we have this penchant for renaming anything that doesn't have a MkI badge as a 'Classic', or 'C'? I thought we broke that habit with the 1DC.

A 6D is a 6D, it isn't a 6Dc, a 5D is a 5D, not a 5D classic.

Maybe I am being a pedant, but I don't think so, a 1DC is a 4K capable 18MP 1 series, it is not a 4.2 MP camera that came out in the early 2000's. Same as rig and body, a camera rig is very different to a camera body. Just ask any shooter the difference between a magazine and a clip, they are two entirely different things that have entirely different meanings.

You may not be able to win on this one. It might make more sense to start calling the 6D a 6D1. Even though it was never officially a 6D1, that's more or less what it became after the 6DII became part of the conversation. While 6D1 may be redundant, it clearly refers to the first 6D model, and removes some potential for confusion.

Use of Classic to denote the initial model may have started with the 5D. At least that's how I first remember seeing it. I don't remember it being used before the 5DIII made an appearance and the orginal 5D was getting scarce.

 

[ahsanford]

It might make more sense to start calling the 6D a 6D1. Even though it was never officially a 6D1, that's more or less what it became after the 6DII became part of the conversation. While 6D1 may be redundant, it clearly refers to the first 6D model, and removes some potential for confusion.

^^^ This. This is what I do and why I do it. ^^^

I am not saying this to try to win an argument by any stretch. Call stuff what you want, but that may come at the price of confusing some folks.

- A

 

[LonelyBoy]

For the record, I've seen people (I forget if it was here or POTN) get all offended at that, "because it's not the 6D Mark 1, it's the 6D". Pedants gonna pedant.

Now me I think that's a fine solution too. I can't think of what I do normally; it helps that I'm new enough to all of this that I don't have any Mark1s. Though that'll change when the SL2 appears, come to think of it.

 

[CanonCrushed]

As a current 6D owner I must say I am disappointed if it truly is only 26 MP for the 6D Mark 2. I was expecting 28 MP and no 4K. The reason I thought 28 MP was because of the regular 6D and the 5D3 being only about 2 MP difference. Now, that spread is a lot more. 5 years waiting on a mark 2 to come out at only 26 MP is not good at all, considering the technology and options out there. If Canon offered a version of the 5D4 without 4k video for less, I would probably buy that because I don't use a DLSR for video, just stills. I also think the codec they use for the 4k in the 5D4 is a very,very bad move on their part.

I am looking forward to final specs and I am in no way crying foul and jumping ship to sony or nikon, or even pentax, but wanted to get my two cents in since I do enjoy the 6D. I was disapppointed in the 5d4 specs too because I thought Canon would have had at least a 36 MP beast to entice a lot more people. I know there is more than MP to image quality, but come on, Sony really is coming out with amazing products and they don't wait 5 years to upgrade a model. And when they do upgrade, they sure do pack a punch with features and tech.

What realistic specs would make me happy on the new 6D Mark 2? :

28 MP
7 FPS Burst
Equal or better low light than the 5D4 (as the 6d is to the 5d3 in comparison)
Wifi that is EASY for a 5 year old to operate (6D wifi sucks to figure out)
Blutooth? (I don't want or need)
Single Card slot is fine by me
MSRP that won't break the bank
Articulating Screen or Touch Screen I don't need either

 

[Mikehit]

Well I work in the broadcast market, and I know what people want to broadcast UHD, and I also know what they only want a single workflow. UHD 30fps fits neither.

It's a case of expectations, I was expecting the UHD support to be broadcast industry standard, especially as this camera was aimed at both cinematographers (pre C series) and news gathering.

You have just proved my point. I bet Canon's target market for the 6D2 is not the people wanting to broadcast UHD.
Who said that this camera is aimed at cinematographers? That is pure supposition of people who want broadcast UHD video quality in a consumer level FF DSLR.
I recall on another thread about the 6D2 one contributor saying they work in the broadcast industry and nearly everyone uses 1080, with only a small group wanting UHD. nf act, finding UHD 4k broadcast stuff to play on my 4k TV is nigh on fruitless. Yet you claim it is an imperative.

 

[Mikehit]

As a current 6D owner I must say I am disappointed if it truly is only 26 MP for the 6D Mark 2. I was expecting 28 MP and no 4K. The reason I thought 28 MP was because of the regular 6D and the 5D3 being only about 2 MP difference. Now, that spread is a lot more. 5 years waiting on a mark 2 to come out at only 26 MP is not good at all, considering the technology and options out there. If Canon offered a version of the 5D4 without 4k video for less, I would probably buy that because I don't use a DLSR for video, just stills. I also think the codec they use for the 4k in the 5D4 is a very,very bad move on their part.

I am looking forward to final specs and I am in no way crying foul and jumping ship to sony or nikon, or even pentax, but wanted to get my two cents in since I do enjoy the 6D. I was disapppointed in the 5d4 specs too because I thought Canon would have had at least a 36 MP beast to entice a lot more people. I know there is more than MP to image quality, but come on, Sony really is coming out with amazing products and they don't wait 5 years to upgrade a model. And when they do upgrade, they sure do pack a punch with features and tech.

What realistic specs would make me happy on the new 6D Mark 2? :

28 MP
7 FPS Burst
Equal or better low light than the 5D4 (as the 6d is to the 5d3 in comparison)
Wifi that is EASY for a 5 year old to operate (6D wifi sucks to figure out)
Blutooth? (I don't want or need)
Single Card slot is fine by me
MSRP that won't break the bank
Articulating Screen or Touch Screen I don't need either

Why is 28MP so much better than 26MP??

 

[timmy_650]

That is wishful thinking 28 mp and 7 fps. That is way to close to the 5D4 for them to put that camera out.

 

[BillB]

For the record, I've seen people (I forget if it was here or POTN) get all offended at that, "because it's not the 6D Mark 1, it's the 6D". Pedants gonna pedant.

Now me I think that's a fine solution too. I can't think of what I do normally; it helps that I'm new enough to all of this that I don't have any Mark1s. Though that'll change when the SL2 appears, come to think of it.

Actually it won't change. The SL1 is already the SL1 and it will stay that way

 

[CanonCrushed]

It's about progress in 5 years and having an adequate number for consumers to remain competitive. No need for several question marks. I understood perfectly with the first one

Let's say they announced that it was 24 MP, and I would have said 26 Mp. Would you still have asked me the same question? Canon will be introducing rebels and cropped bodies all over the place that will meet or exceed 26 MP in a year or two. They have way too many models as it is.

To be more specific, every MP counts when you count on crop factor. 2 MP isn't much, but after 5 years and only a small increase of 6 MP, well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand they are not serious in being taken seriously. I simply stated my opinion and what I would have LIKED to see. I could have said 30 MP, but was being realistic.

I hope that answers your ???????. Cheers!

 

[LonelyBoy]

For the record, I've seen people (I forget if it was here or POTN) get all offended at that, "because it's not the 6D Mark 1, it's the 6D". Pedants gonna pedant.

Now me I think that's a fine solution too. I can't think of what I do normally; it helps that I'm new enough to all of this that I don't have any Mark1s. Though that'll change when the SL2 appears, come to think of it.

Actually it won't change. The SL1 is already the SL1 and it will stay that way

HA! Best name ever, apparently. I don't know why they don't do that for the others.

And I wasn't even drinking...

 

[Bernard]

It might make more sense to start calling the 6D a 6D1. Even though it was never officially a 6D1, that's more or less what it became after the 6DII became part of the conversation. While 6D1 may be redundant, it clearly refers to the first 6D model, and removes some potential for confusion.

That is the funniest thing I've read in a while!

Let's come up with an abbreviation that's longer than the original name, and that will confuses everyone (except for a couple of geeks).

Here's an idea, why not call it what it is actually called? Is it so hard to call the 6D a "6D"? When the 6D2 comes out, we can refer to it as the 6D2. Nobody will be confused, no matter how much you think that "others" may possibly be, in a parallel universe no doubt.

I totally understand the desire to have a shorthand name, or an "insider" name to establish street cred, but it becomes absolutely ridiculous when the made-up name is longer than the real name that everybody already knows and understands.

 

[rrcphoto]

after 5 years and only a small increase of 6 MP, well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand they are not serious in being taken seriously.

I really don't know if you're being serious..

 

[ken]

I loved my 6D for the low light performance, but missed more & better/faster focus points. Would be very keen to upgrade if its better in these areas once the initial price peak drops.

Same here! Better focus and I'll upgrade. I originally shot mostly landscapes so the 6D was perfect for me. But as I've branched out, I want faster focus.

 

[privatebydesign]

Call stuff what you want, but that may come at the price of confusing some folks.

- A

Like writing rig when you mean body?

 

[LonelyBoy]

It might make more sense to start calling the 6D a 6D1. Even though it was never officially a 6D1, that's more or less what it became after the 6DII became part of the conversation. While 6D1 may be redundant, it clearly refers to the first 6D model, and removes some potential for confusion.

That is the funniest thing I've read in a while!

Let's come up with an abbreviation that's longer than the original name, and that will confuses everyone (except for a couple of geeks).

Here's an idea, why not call it what it is actually called? Is it so hard to call the 6D a "6D"? When the 6D2 comes out, we can refer to it as the 6D2. Nobody will be confused, no matter how much you think that "others" may possibly be, in a parallel universe no doubt.

I totally understand the desire to have a shorthand name, or an "insider" name to establish street cred, but it becomes absolutely ridiculous when the made-up name is longer than the real name that everybody already knows and understands.

So yes, literally anything you call it will annoy someone.

 

[nightscape123]

I know for me personally it will be a toss up between one of the Sony models and the 6DII. I've been patiently saving and buying lenses for the past several years for my move to FF. I shot with the 6DI a number of times as a rental and moved it for landscapes, but wasn't a fan for wildlife. The focusing system was just too dumbed down. More recently I shot with the 80D and almost ended up buying that as it was a treat to shoot with that camera, however I still wanted to move to FF.

If the 6DII upgrades the AF system to something like the 80D I will probably get that. If Canon sticks with a nerfed version of the AF like the 6DI then I will probably move to sony with canon glass or move over to Nikon with their D750.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I know for me personally it will be a toss up between one of the Sony models and the 6DII. I've been patiently saving and buying lenses for the past several years for my move to FF. I shot with the 6DI a number of times as a rental and moved it for landscapes, but wasn't a fan for wildlife. The focusing system was just too dumbed down. More recently I shot with the 80D and almost ended up buying that as it was a treat to shoot with that camera, however I still wanted to move to FF.

If the 6DII upgrades the AF system to something like the 80D I will probably get that. If Canon sticks with a nerfed version of the AF like the 6DI then I will probably move to sony with canon glass or move over to Nikon with their D750.

The 6D MK II is almost certainly going to be a FF version of the 80D as far as features go. There may be a few improvements, but nothing major. It will reuse the Wi-Fi module, same as the 5D MK IV did, and the same for GPD / bluetooth. Obviously, a new sensor is required, hopefully, it will be a little better.

I'd really like to see a joystick, but its not going to happen. Tough to focus and fast live autofocus so it can be used for some moving subjects would be nice. Canon continues to make improvements to DPAF, so I hope for a tweak.

I have a 5D MK III but do not take advantage of 90% of the AF features, autoexposure is less than stellar most of the time, I need to adjust exposure in post processing. I doubt that there will be a improvement in the autoexposure, some day, we will see a major change, but in the 1 series first.