Canon eos 77D

[AvTvM]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to make for Canon and can be sold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

i find CR quite disappointing at the moment. They seem to have fairly dumb sources who can only leak images and specs as printed on a box. no clue what the difference between pentamirror and pentaprism might be. no clue, whether M6 has DPAF or not. those dumb sources can just send in smartphone pics of the canon camera boxes being printed in some obscure asian printshop where those rumor sources are toiling ... or so.

 

[slclick]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to
make for Canon and can becsold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

i find CR quite disappointingxat the moment. they seem to have really dimb sources who can only leak images snd specs as printed on the box. no clue what the difference between a pentamirror aand pentaprism may be. no clue, whether M6 has DPAF or not. thos dumb sources can just send in smartphone pics of the canon camera boxes being imprinted in some obscure asian printshop where those rumor sources are toiling ...

I'm not joking...How many letters/emails have you written to Canon?

 

[PeterT]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to
make for Canon and can becsold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

If similarly capable EOS M cameras are more expensive, then by stopping to produce rebel mirrorslappers there would be no Canon interchange lens cameras with a viewfinder left in their original price point. That would mean loss of customers i.e. loss of market share, I think. Canon has some faults, but its ability to keep market shares is (one of) the best. Therefore I do not believe to this scenario (but, of course, I can be wrong).

 

[Loswr]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to make for Canon and can be sold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

Well, except for the fact that dSLRs are still outselling MILCs 3:1 globally. And the fact that the MILC market isn't growing, and has failed to regain even 2012 levels. But by all means, don't let facts and objective reality get in the way of your opinions. :

 

[AvTvM]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to make for Canon and can be sold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

Well, except for the fact that dSLRs are still outselling MILCs 3:1 globally. And the fact that the MILC market isn't growing, and has failed to regain even 2012 levels. But by all means, don't let facts and objective reality get in the way of your opinions. :

have a look at 2016FY CIPA numbers. An d then tell me, whether mirrorslappers have fared better than mirrorless cameras or not. Until then you better shut up.

http://www.photoscala.de/2017/02/12/cipa-zahlen-2016-licht-am-ende-des-tunnels/

 

[Loswr]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to make for Canon and can be sold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

Well, except for the fact that dSLRs are still outselling MILCs 3:1 globally. And the fact that the MILC market isn't growing, and has failed to regain even 2012 levels. But by all means, don't let facts and objective reality get in the way of your opinions. :

have a look at 2016FY CIPA numbers. An d then tell me, whether mirrorslappers have fared better than mirrorless cameras or not. Until then you better shut up.

The green bar has reduced in size. The orange bar hasn't gotten any larger. The green bar is still 3 times larger than the orange bar. Tell me where a market-leading ILC manufacturer should allocate the bulk of their R&D resources. Oh wait, you already have — incessantly: a compact, FF MILC system.

Sorry you wasted your money and time on a business degree. Actually, I'm not sorry about that...but I am sorry an educational institution and its faculty wasted their resources and time trying to educate you.

 

[AvTvM]

think about supply side ..

Nikon: no mirrorless offering [exept dead in water Nikon 1]
Canon: only very limited APS-C offering, no attractive bodies until late 2016
Sony: A7 series Mk. II and FE lenses too expensive

Given those facts, mirrorless has been holding its ground rather well ...

 

[pokerz]

think about supply side ..

Nikon: no mirrorless offering [exept dead in water Nikon 1]
Canon: only very limited APS-C offering, no attractive bodies until late 2016
Sony: A7 series Mk. II and FE lenses too expensive

Given those facts, mirrorless has been holding its ground rather well ...

We all waiting for a Canon FF mirrorless which offers IBIS, 4k, compact and cheap STM lens with good optical quality.

 

[Loswr]

think about supply side ..

Nikon: no mirrorless offering [exept dead in water Nikon 1]
Canon: only very limited APS-C offering, no attractive bodies until late 2016
Sony: A7 series Mk. II and FE lenses too expensive

Given those facts, mirrorless has been holding its ground rather well ...

How, exactly, does the highlighted bit above constitute a 'fact'?? As you try to weasel out of answering the question or avoid any attempt whatsoever, do keep in mind that Canon was the #3 MILC brand in 2015, and in 2016 they moved to #2 MILC brand globally.

#kellyanneconway
#alternativefacts

The mirrorless market has been holding its ground, mostly (although as I've said, it's still not back up to 2012 levels). FF MILC is a tiny portion of that market. Consider that neither of the current top two MILC brands even offer a FF MILC. The fact that Canon is the #1 ILC maker, leads the 75% majority segment of the ILC market (dSLRs), and rapidly rose to #2 in the 25% minority segment as a late entrant with an 'only very limited APS-C offering' is strong evidence that they continue to make the correct choices.

Then there's you, who thinks they should radically alter their proven course. I think we all know which is smart, and which is...the opposite.

 

[Josh Denver]

Resisting the urge to get into the troll Mirror vs Mirrorless war. Hmmmm. Two xanax 0.5Mg. Hmmm. Done.

Onto the subject: So I want to understand if I got this right:

1- 750D is getting replaced by an 800D: getting the new DPAF chip and 49 AF points, slight upper fps to.6 & E-Stabilization for video? (Give or take the other small upgrades)

2- 760D is going 77D: Retaining nearly the same body as the 760D (which is a rebel with a top LCD and a front dial), with the same previously mentioned upgrades, right?

I guess it's simply updating the two rebels simultaneously by the same degree give or take?

3- 80D vs 77D would be bigger stronger body, deeper buffer, 1/8000s shutter, prism OVF, headphone jack, AF micro-adjustment, yet lose on the new video IS and size?

Is that correct so far as anticipated/rumored?

If so, it's a regular upgrade and the only confusing thing about it is the naming. It would suggest the t6s successor is higher end vs the 70D (which is not and a different line) yet hell with the naming who cares really.

My comment: the 800D is shaping up to be the youtubers' and V-logger best value for money and easiest camera to just pick up and create HD content for YT. Hell with focusing, hell with external monitors, hell with giant 4K, just no fuss, flip the screen, put on Face recognition, press record, upload. The E-IS is quite an achievement on the M5 (never though electronically based IS system would work so smooth) and is truly a great feature to get for video. Should be on all Canon DSLRs as a side option.

For hardcore videographers, shooting DCI 4K and post-downsampling, using speedboosters on m43s, external Shogun/Assassins' rigs, De-Logging LUTs in Davinci Resolve, etc is the way to go. But you won't find all that at a 750D + 50mm kit price point. For that money you can only get a m43s and kit lens. 4K with deeper DOF and exceedingly more expensive glass, all without any AF. So, on that end of the budget for video, it's getting complicated to choose. At 1500+, it's easy, go mirrorless m43s 4K + EF SB + Canon glass.

 

[Nininini]

rebel mirrorslappers will disappear soon. they are on their last leg. EOS M is much cheaper to make for Canon and can be sold at a higer price point = significantly higher profit.

Rebels have been Canon thier best selling cameras since as far as I can remember, they're not going anywhere. But keep hoping, maybe Linux will take off too. Good luck.

Mirrorless and Rebel cameras released in the last 4 years:

EOS M2 42 Amazon reviews
EOS M3 91 Amazon reviews
EOS M5 17 Amazon reviews

Rebel T5 831 Amazon reviews
Rebel T5i 661 Amazon reviews
Rebel SL1 562 Amazon reviews
Rebel T6 253 Amazon reviews
Rebel T6i 275 Amazon reviews
Rebel T6S 122 Amazon reviews

do the math

 

[Nininini]

My comment: the 800D is shaping up to be the youtubers' and V-logger best value for money and easiest camera to just pick up and create HD content for YT. Hell with focusing, hell with external monitors, hell with giant 4K, just no fuss, flip the screen, put on Face recognition, press record, upload. The E-IS is quite an achievement on the M5 (never though electronically based IS system would work so smooth) and is truly a great feature to get for video. Should be on all Canon DSLRs as a side option.

Nod, rebels are popular youtube cameras. I see them recommended in videos a lot when people ask what camera someone used. It makes sense, they're cheap, easy to use, the STM motor makes them quiet, and the screen is flippable so the youtuber can see themselves. And now they have DPAF, which should make them even more popular.

 

[benkam]

Onto the subject: So I want to understand if I got this right:

1- 750D is getting replaced by an 800D: getting the new DPAF chip and 49 AF points, slight upper fps to.6 & E-Stabilization for video? (Give or take the other small upgrades)

2- 760D is going 77D: Retaining nearly the same body as the 760D (which is a rebel with a top LCD and a front dial), with the same previously mentioned upgrades, right?

I guess it's simply updating the two rebels simultaneously by the same degree give or take?

3- 80D vs 77D would be bigger stronger body, deeper buffer, 1/8000s shutter, prism OVF, headphone jack, AF micro-adjustment, yet lose on the new video IS and size?

Is that correct so far as anticipated/rumored?

It seems, based on the rumors and discussion here so far:

1 - The 800D as 750D successor will get DPAF but it is expected to retain the 750D/760D's 19-point AF system.

2 - The 77D as 760D successor will get DPAF but it is rumored to get the 80D's 45-point AF system. Apart from the top display and maybe some other small stuff, the more advanced AF system seems so far the main differentiator between the 800D and 77D and for the latter, the reason for the naming convention change.

 

[jeffa4444]

Onto the subject: So I want to understand if I got this right:

1- 750D is getting replaced by an 800D: getting the new DPAF chip and 49 AF points, slight upper fps to.6 & E-Stabilization for video? (Give or take the other small upgrades)

2- 760D is going 77D: Retaining nearly the same body as the 760D (which is a rebel with a top LCD and a front dial), with the same previously mentioned upgrades, right?

I guess it's simply updating the two rebels simultaneously by the same degree give or take?

3- 80D vs 77D would be bigger stronger body, deeper buffer, 1/8000s shutter, prism OVF, headphone jack, AF micro-adjustment, yet lose on the new video IS and size?

Is that correct so far as anticipated/rumored?

It seems, based on the rumors and discussion here so far:

1 - The 800D as 750D successor will get DPAF but it is expected to retain the 750D/760D's 19-point AF system.

2 - The 77D as 760D successor will get DPAF but it is rumored to get the 80D's 45-point AF system. Apart from the top display and maybe some other small stuff, the more advanced AF system seems so far the main differentiator between the 800D and 77D and for the latter, the reason for the naming convention change.

Its tinkering at the edges I have the 760D I bought it because I wanted a crop camera for wildlife to partner my full frame 5DS. Most of the wildlife I shoot is fairly static so the 19 point AF was exactly what I used on my former 7D for 4.5 years. I like the flippy screen and the lightweight body the 24MP sensor gives far better image quality than I got on the 7D with a much lighter body and enables a greater reach than the 5DS.

45 point AF on its own is not enough in my mind to consider the 77D a mid-level camera like a 80D and neither is DPAF its really an incremental upgraded 760D / T6S. I was hoping Canon would finally globalise the naming conventions instead of calling it something different in the US & Japan and 77D works for the higher spec camera but were wait & see on the 800D.

 

[benkam]

45 point AF on its own is not enough in my mind to consider the 77D a mid-level camera like a 80D and neither is DPAF its really an incremental upgraded 760D / T6S. I was hoping Canon would finally globalise the naming conventions instead of calling it something different in the US & Japan and 77D works for the higher spec camera but were wait & see on the 800D.

The message Canon appear to be sending with the naming (or numbering) convention change, which initially seemed bizarre but is starting to make sense, is that the 77D will be "better" than the older 70D and closer to but still only "almost" an 80D. Maybe Canon also give it an improved OVF, headphone jack, etc. At that rate though, the main incentive for still getting the 80D would be the more robust body and bigger battery it shares with the 7D/5D/6D series.

IMO, having DPAF and 45-point AF in a Rebel form factor is huge. We'll have to see how Canon price the 77D but the gap with the 800D probably won't be as close as with the 750D and 760D but still below the 80D.

Who knows, we might not even see a "90D" but as with the 760D dropping a digit, the 80D successor could go single-digit as an "8D". That one would likely inherit the 7D2's 65-point AF (the 7D3 possibly moving up to a 150+ AF) and finally get an AF thumbstick. Also a new higher-res sensor with some kind of improved DPAF, of course 4K, rather overdue dual SD slots, and other niceties.

Canon may move slowly, they're very deliberate, but they do seem to have a path laid down for continuing to evolve their DSLRs.

 

[midluk]

Resisting the urge to get into the troll Mirror vs Mirrorless war. Hmmmm. Two xanax 0.5Mg. Hmmm. Done.

You know the difference between 0.5 Mg (megagram, also known as metric ton) and 0.5 mg (milligram)?

 

[slclick]

Resisting the urge to get into the troll Mirror vs Mirrorless war. Hmmmm. Two xanax 0.5Mg. Hmmm. Done.

You know the difference between 0.5 Mg (megagram, also known as metric ton) and 0.5 mg (milligram)?

I think they meant they have enough to share, we all know we need it with this group.

 

[Nininini]

Does the M5 with 5 axis IS still have the 3x digital zoom function without loss of quality.

If I will buy the 77D depends on if it still has the 3x digital zoom, it should, but ok.

 

[Canon Rumors]

$899USD body only for the EOS 77D, $1049 w/18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM, $1499 w/18-135 IS STM.

 

[slclick]

$899USD body only for the EOS 77D, $1049 w/18-55 f/4-5.6 IS STM, $1499 w/18-135 IS STM.

Thanks! So it's roughly a $200 difference when compared to the 80D. I think it fills a gap in feature sets and price points quite nicely.