Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon
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bry
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This is definitely a step in the right direction from Canon, and even if cynical, it's very welcome.
The Canon 7D is the only Canon DSLR with 2 processors, and still it doesn't do anything that the 550D doesn't do on video mode. There's definitely room for improvement even with just software updates. This an impressive camera hardware wise and if Canon wanted, it could do much more than it does at the moment.
Also, I think this should be the way to go with firmware updates and physical models that last longer, even if we have to pay for the updates, cause it's much more environmental friendly, and people these days spend all the time upgrading for a couple new useless features, and in most cases they don't even ever do anything with the cameras.
Regarding a 7DmkII, do you guys really think that Canon will replace their entire range of DSLRs in the same year? What then, not release anything for another 3 years?
The Canon 7D is the only Canon DSLR with 2 processors, and still it doesn't do anything that the 550D doesn't do on video mode. There's definitely room for improvement even with just software updates. This an impressive camera hardware wise and if Canon wanted, it could do much more than it does at the moment.
Also, I think this should be the way to go with firmware updates and physical models that last longer, even if we have to pay for the updates, cause it's much more environmental friendly, and people these days spend all the time upgrading for a couple new useless features, and in most cases they don't even ever do anything with the cameras.
Regarding a 7DmkII, do you guys really think that Canon will replace their entire range of DSLRs in the same year? What then, not release anything for another 3 years?
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dr croubie said:
Or am I too cynical?
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Canon doesn't sell items on consignment and there is no stock. They take orders from vendors, most of them pre-paid, then they produce the items and ship them off. Canon doesn't have to get rid of anything. That's on the vendor and the vendor orders want their customers want regardless of current stock.
Vendors get special pricing that they later mark-up. This margin allows them to reduce prices when a new model--aah! Do I actually have to explain this?
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The 1D series has twin processors. 3, if like the 7D you count the AF processor as an independent processor (the lesser EOS cameras like the 5D2, x0D series have one processor for everything)
The 7D does intermediate ISO stops and full 1080 live output over HDMI.
In stills mode the 7D is quite a different beast altogether.
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DB said:
As stated at the begining of the article, this was briefly present on the cpn-europe website. The home page headline graphic displayed a 7D body and the link went to the firmware description. CR's article is a direct copy of the cpn article, which was displayed with a date of April 2012. How do I know, I saw it too!!! Thinking that a new body was announced and 2 new lenses, maybe there was a firmware update for the 7D with the *** update and maybe a few extras so I checked the site.
It was only up for about an hour, but non the less, it was a Canon press release. If nothing else, it shows Canons intentions for the 7D. Why it was held back, posted and then removed will be a matter of much speculation! But it was there.
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bry said:
I still believe the core reason for the up date is to keep current owners happy and prime them to eagerly await the 7D?? which apparently is still aways off.
Meaning don't go by a Nikon because your 7D is now even more awesome and just think how great the new 7D?? will be!
Its nice but its not ment to be nice - ultimately its an intelligent stall tactic.
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Just wondering...
Is it possible that this firmware update will NOT be released for the 7D and that it was just shown as a teaser of what we can expect from a 7D MKII ?
I wonder, why put it up on a website and then take it off.
These firmware updates items seem to me valid upgrade items for a MKII. That may be announced later this year?
It confuses me as 7D user.
Is it possible that this firmware update will NOT be released for the 7D and that it was just shown as a teaser of what we can expect from a 7D MKII ?
I wonder, why put it up on a website and then take it off.
These firmware updates items seem to me valid upgrade items for a MKII. That may be announced later this year?
It confuses me as 7D user.
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Halocastle said:
Canon doesn't sell items on consignment and there is no stock. They take orders from vendors, most of them pre-paid, then they produce the items and ship them off. Canon doesn't have to get rid of anything. That's on the vendor and the vendor orders want their customers want regardless of current stock.
Vendors get special pricing that they later mark-up. This margin allows them to reduce prices when a new model--aah! Do I actually have to explain this?
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And how do you know this?
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Hey guys, sorry if this has been asked before, but I have two questions. Has anybody seen rumors about the addition of a histogram during video record with the new firmware? And will this update give the Magic Lantern guys a key that they had been looking for to hack the 7D? Thanks!
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Thank you Canon for the firmware upgrade! I'm most excited about the auto ISO limits and the increased burst rate.
For me this has been one of the more interesting announcements and discussions. I think Canon is taking a fair risk to release such a bold firmware upgrade to a body which has been around this long. And most risky, it may (if not already) open a can of worms of "what else can be enabled." This certainly proves what many of us have always believed and that is how features and technology are, (and can be) available yet held back for reasons we can only speculate--anyone who has rooted a cell phone can relate.
I must admit the increased burst rate does bug me. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the increase, but this is clearly a case of crippling a piece of hardware. Whereas all the other features are new and required someone to sit down and write the code.
I have no idea how often Canon monitors sites like this but I can't help believe they will more closely watch customer's reaction to this new firmware upgrade. Will it mostly be perceived as a positive "thank you Canon" upgrade or will it open a of storm of speculation and requests for other things to be enabled and turned on for all bodies?
I don't think anyone is going to forget this upgrade for a long time.
For me this has been one of the more interesting announcements and discussions. I think Canon is taking a fair risk to release such a bold firmware upgrade to a body which has been around this long. And most risky, it may (if not already) open a can of worms of "what else can be enabled." This certainly proves what many of us have always believed and that is how features and technology are, (and can be) available yet held back for reasons we can only speculate--anyone who has rooted a cell phone can relate.
I must admit the increased burst rate does bug me. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the increase, but this is clearly a case of crippling a piece of hardware. Whereas all the other features are new and required someone to sit down and write the code.
I have no idea how often Canon monitors sites like this but I can't help believe they will more closely watch customer's reaction to this new firmware upgrade. Will it mostly be perceived as a positive "thank you Canon" upgrade or will it open a of storm of speculation and requests for other things to be enabled and turned on for all bodies?
I don't think anyone is going to forget this upgrade for a long time.
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RC said:
I think 'crippling' is rather strong. 'Conservative limitations' might be a better way of putting it. Just imagine 4 years ago if they had said it could write 20 RAW in a burst, and as the CF cards were too slow it only achieved 15 - that would have raised a class action and a long and loud reaction.
Canon have taken into account the latest CF card technology and updated the firmware to take advantage of it.
I say 'Well done Canon for designing a product that can move with the time'
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Its a bit difficult but I try to not look a gift horse in the mouth. 
To some extent the existance of magic lantern must certainly have made Canon respond to potential back lash if a third party made any of these existing optimizations available to the public.
I am cheap at times but I will gladly pay extra to ensure I have complete functionality and the most up to date software available.
To some extent the existance of magic lantern must certainly have made Canon respond to potential back lash if a third party made any of these existing optimizations available to the public.
I am cheap at times but I will gladly pay extra to ensure I have complete functionality and the most up to date software available.
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kdsand said:Its a bit difficult but I try to not look a gift horse in the mouth.
To some extent the existance of magic lantern must certainly have made Canon respond to potential back lash if a third party made any of these existing optimizations available to the public.
I am cheap at times but I will gladly pay extra to ensure I have complete functionality and the most up to date software available.
That is a bit like saying that you prefer to pay for ACR rather than use the free DPP - nothing wrong with that. Nikon users have to pay so perhaps that is the model you would prefer?
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briansquibb said:kdsand said:Its a bit difficult but I try to not look a gift horse in the mouth.
To some extent the existance of magic lantern must certainly have made Canon respond to potential back lash if a third party made any of these existing optimizations available to the public.
I am cheap at times but I will gladly pay extra to ensure I have complete functionality and the most up to date software available.
That is a bit like saying that you prefer to pay for ACR rather than use the free DPP - nothing wrong with that. Nikon users have to pay so perhaps that is the model you would prefer?
I don't see it ever coming down to actual choice but I would pay a bit more up front if it could guarantee full optimization support.
It would be nice if there was more incentive for canon to add feature sets.
I definitely have to give cannon kudos for having decent products that come to market with a reasonably ( surprisingly) few amount of bugs. Releasing an update upgrade for software like this is definitely a double edge sword for a company like Canon. Well that goes for most companies - though cell phone companies seem to try to do everything in their power to screw up o.s. updates.
I am all for Canon, I think it is awesome. :-[ Admittedly I have to fight back a bit of fanizm at times.
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Talking abouth the hidden "features", have any of you out there with a 7D tried this:
Take away the lens, pull on the front plastic black cover.
Put camera in manual mode, 1/500 (no f since lens is not on
Set the high burst photo mode (8fps).
Insert a CF (but you can do also without, if C.Fn is set properly)
Simply push and keep down the shutter button.
You will hear the familiar 8fps burst sound.
Cover with your hand the viewfinder (so that there is no light coming inside the camera - front is already covered by the cap).
Repeat the burst.
Hear... wtf??? 3fps???
Tested with 10+ Canon 7D, with every kind of firmware. If lens fitted, AF off.
It seems that if the subject is black or there is no light, the camera cpu takes more time to calculate the correct exposure (that is WELL documented inside the user manual, fps reduction in case of difficult exposure).
But if I am in FULL MANUAL I don't need exposure calculation, simply my 8fps.
It could be a non issue, but if u are taking pictures of a black motorbike or during the night or in low level and you need the full fps, that could be not fair.
And I wonder why there are no informations about that over the net (for my job is really an issue!)
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Marco
Take away the lens, pull on the front plastic black cover.
Put camera in manual mode, 1/500 (no f since lens is not on
Set the high burst photo mode (8fps).
Insert a CF (but you can do also without, if C.Fn is set properly)
Simply push and keep down the shutter button.
You will hear the familiar 8fps burst sound.
Cover with your hand the viewfinder (so that there is no light coming inside the camera - front is already covered by the cap).
Repeat the burst.
Hear... wtf??? 3fps???
Tested with 10+ Canon 7D, with every kind of firmware. If lens fitted, AF off.
It seems that if the subject is black or there is no light, the camera cpu takes more time to calculate the correct exposure (that is WELL documented inside the user manual, fps reduction in case of difficult exposure).
But if I am in FULL MANUAL I don't need exposure calculation, simply my 8fps.
It could be a non issue, but if u are taking pictures of a black motorbike or during the night or in low level and you need the full fps, that could be not fair.
And I wonder why there are no informations about that over the net (for my job is really an issue!)
Cheers
Marco
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briansquibb said:
As far as I see it, crippled is the correct word - Canon doesn't hesitate to advertise weather sealing with (*) your mileage may vary, of course they could do this for other features too.
But crippling a product is not necessarily a bad thing, but standard industry practice. In many non-high-end cpu, there are disabled cores that would work just fine, Intel even managed to introduce a paid feature to re-enable them by software just like Canon did now for free.
Limiting the full potential of the hardware simply gives the manufacturer the opportunity to place and price products according to the market - and now Canon thinks that the 7d needs a feature boost to stay somewhat competitive against Nikon.
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Marsu42 said:
When the 7D came out it met its specifications with the CF technology of its time. It now has updated the firmware, free of charge, to match the current CF technology. This is not a marketing ploy.
Cripling is a very strong word that does not infer what you seem to be saying.
I am sorry to see that your hyper cynacism of anything Canon has got in the way of logic
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