Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]

I really want this camera.

But I really want to use ISO 800 without having to do noise reduction during post.

I'm not expecting images as clean as full frame. From what I've read, that's physically impossible.

But would love to remotely trigger my 600EX-RT from the body too.

I also think the 7D II should have two versions, one with battery grip and one without. I love my battery grip on my 500D
 
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jrista said:
Wow. Finally a CR2 for the 7D II. Sounds about what I expected....~$2000 price tag, and true high end, professional features. This actually has me getting excited again about a Canon camera release...haven't felt this way since the 1D X was announced.

I guess my one single question is: New 180nm (or smaller) CMOS fab process for a sensor that uses modern pixels and on-die parallel ADC?

I really don't want another camera with Canon's epically DEAD 500nm sensor process... Even if it is damn good...I really expect better sensor IQ, across the board (low ISO and high) now that most of Canon's competitors offer it...

Yeah I do hope it uses a truly new sensor and not the same old same old otherwise that won't bode well that Canon cares about ISO100-400 image quality at all. At this point I'm so thirsting for more DR I've prioritized the A7R over the 7D2.
 
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candc said:
This is a camera that canon is going to do its best to make good, not just to appeal to the widest audience. You can pretty well bet it will have at least a stop better than 70d iso performance, 2 digic processors, a nice size for big telephoto lens build with good weather sealing, probably 24 mp,and a really good AF system. Probably no floppy screen.

The people that want this camera want a mini 1dx and canon knows it.

A stop better than the 70D for mid-tone SNR would be awfully tricky. People forget how efficient for bayer the current cams are already.
 
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The image quality better be MUCH better than the current 7D or else no one will take it seriously. IMO Canon should go back to making APS-C cameras since there is a day and night difference in the quality between a 1.3 and a 1.6x crop factor. I owned a 7D for a short while. No thanks, I won't waste any more money on one again. I'll stick with full frame and my trusty 1D4's.
 
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It's hard to get excited about something that hasn't been announced yet. Anything said here is 100% speculation as to what it might be. Until such time that Canon decides to release a 7D replacement, my current 7 is doing one hell of a job getting the action wildlife photographs I want and more.

That being said, ANY 7D replacement would have to be one hell of a camera to make me want to upgrade, I mean at 8fps @ 18mp is really nothing to complain about, especially for as low as you can get the 7D body now.

I have shot with 5D2's, 5D3's, 50D's 40D's... etc... and the 7D is a very hard camera to beat in terms of speed. As a wildlife photographer, my needs are different than someone who shoots a lot of stills, where a FF camera would be ideal. I love the crop factor and the 8fps are brutal in capturing what I want.

Are there faster cameras out there? Yup, 2 come to mind, the 1DX ($6799.99) and the 1D4 (used, about $3400.00), both of which still command a hefty price tag. 7D's are cheap if you get one on sale, even better if you get a refurbished unit from Canon.

When I can get a new 7D for $1500.00 now or wait for an even better sale (I've seen them as low as $1300.00 new), spending $3400.00 for a 5D3 or $3600.00 for a 1D4 or even 7 grand for the 1DX, it doesn't add up. Again, if you need (or just really want) a FF (I.E 1DX), then go for it, who am I to tell you not to?

The 7 works for me and is a very capable camera. Again, it's just hard to get worked up over something that hasn't even been announced yet.

My worthless 2 cents. :)

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Etienne said:
thfifthcrouch said:
This is not a camera for the full frame pixel peeping connoisseur. If your worried about razor thin depth of focus, noise at 6400 iso or any of that sort of thing, this is not your camera. It simply can't be. This will be amazing for the wild life or birder who wants that extra reach with a multitude of tools to get you there. It will produce amazing pics at ISOs up to 800 (which if you come from film is amazing). It will do fine over that for small prints or such that you want to post on facebook and just like every crop frame. All that said I love birding and it's mine, all mine. ;D

Canon was able to do amazing high ISO performance in the C100, and C300, which are basically APS-C, so they could do it in the 7DII

They are also basically 8MP downscaled to 2MP though.
 
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Lee Jay said:
pwp said:
Lee Jay said:
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.
Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.

Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package.

Part of the reason for my post is that I find the ergonomics of the 1-Series worse than any Canon body aside from perhaps the M. They're too large and they're unnecessarily heavy. They're simply unusable for me. I'll take my 5D over a 1-series every day. In fact, if you give me a 1Dx for free, I'll put it in the basement along with my VCR.

That would not be a very nice thing to do. Just inbox me and I come to collect it. Will give you a non grip camera in exchange.
Btw the 1dx is simply usable to me. :)
 
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sanj said:
Lee Jay said:
pwp said:
Lee Jay said:
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.
Maybe for you. It's the complete opposite for me. I'll take the built in, fully integrated grip.

Part of the reason the ergonomics of 1-Series bodies is so brilliantly refined is that it's a totally integrated package.
In this case I'm Winne the Poo; "Yes please, both!", actually I'd like to update that to "Yes please, all three!". A 1DX, 5DIII and a pro 1.6x crop body (with proper AF and high ISO performance) would be great.

Part of the reason for my post is that I find the ergonomics of the 1-Series worse than any Canon body aside from perhaps the M. They're too large and they're unnecessarily heavy. They're simply unusable for me. I'll take my 5D over a 1-series every day. In fact, if you give me a 1Dx for free, I'll put it in the basement along with my VCR.

That would not be a very nice thing to do. Just inbox me and I come to collect it. Will give you a non grip camera in exchange.
Btw the 1dx is simply usable to me. :)
 
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First half (hopefully calendar) 2014 sounds good - chance of a slight reduction by Q3 2014.

Modified (downgraded?) version of new 1D autofocus system? At least it's a nod towards the imprtance of the 7D2 in the lineup, as I was expecting a cut-and-shut older system. Saying that, does that make the 7D2 the guinea pig for the new 1D?

Oh well, hopefully less than 6 months to go :)
 
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sanj said:
distant.star said:
Lee Jay said:
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

I agree completely.

I disagree completely.

I don't see it happening, whether I agree or disagree. Integrated grip is one of the big selling points of the 1-series, and I can't imagine the 7-series getting it before the 5-series.
 
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WPJ said:
1st half.......what first half, calendar or physical. And will they deliver it before 2015?

"First half" means annoncement on May 31st, 23:59:59 :-> ... delivery will take quite a while looking at how many people are waiting for this.

The one question of course is the "new sensor", and looking at Canon's latest performance this doesn't mean much ... think of it: $2000 with all possible gimmicks and comforts Canon can add is still rather cheap if this would be a *real* challenge to 5d3/ff quality, so I don't expect this to be the famed "next sensor generation".
 
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jrista said:
sanj said:
distant.star said:
Lee Jay said:
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

I agree completely.

I disagree completely.

I don't see it happening, whether I agree or disagree. Integrated grip is one of the big selling points of the 1-series, and I can't imagine the 7-series getting it before the 5-series.

Just out of interest, what percentage of your shots are shot in portrait orientation?
 
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Here we go again, another 7Dll announcement. I hope it has better ISO 3200 quality performance than the 7D. I was
disappointed with the results from this past weekend. Overcast lighting performance was not as good as the sunny days of
Summer. I will be interested in reading about it but might not be able to buy it as I may spend my money on software.
I need a PS replacement and noise reduction software.
 
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StudentOfLight said:
jrista said:
sanj said:
distant.star said:
Lee Jay said:
Please tell me that "Pro" doesn't mean a built-in non-removable grip. That would be a deal-killer for sure.

I agree completely.

I disagree completely.

I don't see it happening, whether I agree or disagree. Integrated grip is one of the big selling points of the 1-series, and I can't imagine the 7-series getting it before the 5-series.

Just out of interest, what percentage of your shots are shot in portrait orientation?

Oh, maybe 15-20%. Mostly landscapes, and of those, mostly waterscapes. I do have some portrait wildlife and bird shots, though...sometimes it's the only way to frame nicely. With the 600mm f/4 lens, it is pretty easy to flip to portrait when mounted in a tripod, as the tripod ring has two preset "notches" for landscape and portrait that can be selected simply by loosening the tripod ring tightening knob. I only really display my portrait shots in print form, though...the vertical orientation just doesn't fit the web well most of the time.

I should point out, I do have a battery grip attached to my 7D most of the time. It isn't as good as a fully integrated grip, it has an undue amount of flex that I am wary of...but it does help when shooting portrait with the 600/4 or 300/2.8 on a tripod (not to mention the day-long battery life it offers, too.)

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