Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
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The tidal wave of used 7D bodies hitting the market will obliterate Rebel and 60D sales. I can get a well worn 7D for a hair under $1000 and a barely used one for a little bit more. Hate to think what would happen when that price drops down to compete with new T4i bodies
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seamonster said:
I'm curious about this "tidal wave of used 7D bodies hitting the market." Where are they coming from? As of a few minutes ago, there were about 140 7Ds listed on eBay in categories other than new (used, refurbished, etc.)
That's a decent quantity, but it doesn't comes anywhere close to the new sales every day of the 60D, T4i, T3i, etc. Certainly not enough to skew the new market in any significant way. Most customers don't buy used and don't want to buy used, which is the reason you can buy a "well worn 7D for a hair under $1000." Plus, one shouldn't assume that the introduction of a 7DII will suddenly prompt all current 7D owners to sell their current bodies. I, for one, will be keeping mine.
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For sports I'm using a 1D4 and a 7D and if the new 7D2 is 10fps, 22mp and the same size body as the current 7D, then I'll say goodbye to both my 1D4 and the older 7D. Both are great and I miss the reach of the APS-C when shooting with the 1D4.
I acknowledge that I will miss the low light ISO performance that the 1D4 can provide but 99% of my sports activity is in natural light.
Bring it on Canon, let's see what you got to offer! ;D
I acknowledge that I will miss the low light ISO performance that the 1D4 can provide but 99% of my sports activity is in natural light.
Bring it on Canon, let's see what you got to offer! ;D
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If I read the NI blurb correctly, the 7DII and 7D could both remain in productions for "some time" with the xxD series not being renewed. If the price point of the 7D were to drop, this could make a lot of sense, but would also require something to significantly differentiate the 7DII and 7D.
If the rumor is true, I am glad that they dropped the MP to 21 MP if the IQ wasn't good enough at 25 MP. Honestly, the 18 MP I have with my current 7D is fine. I mostly want better noise at low/high ISO and a slight increase in DR and IQ.
If the rumor is true, I am glad that they dropped the MP to 21 MP if the IQ wasn't good enough at 25 MP. Honestly, the 18 MP I have with my current 7D is fine. I mostly want better noise at low/high ISO and a slight increase in DR and IQ.
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unfocused said:
What can these people be thinking?
Did the introduction of the 5D3 send a tidal wave of 5D2 bodies to the used market? I don't watch it that closely, but I didn't feel the marketing earth move. What I saw were a lot of people who were rather stunned at the price of the 5D3 so they decided to keep using their serviceable and capable 5D2 equipment. Same thing is going to happen with the 7D2.
As I've been saying for a year or so the price of the 7D2 will be at or near $3K. That's going to stun most people into keeping their 7D.
And speaking of current prices relative to hair. A virtually new 7D body is now at the Canon refurb store for $1023. You can have a 60D body for $640. I can't imagine why someone would go into the jungle of the used 7D market with all its pitfalls when you can have a Canon-assured refurb for the same price -- or at least within a monkey hair of it!
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Pleasant enough, but I doubt it would pull me from my 7D. A big improvement in low ISO dynamic range and noise would do it.
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I've been thinking of the used 1D4 market at $3K-3.5K to upgrade my 7D. I'd like to get the 10fps up from my 7D's 8fps, better AF, and better noise levels even at the cost dropping the crop factor to 1.3x and from 18mp to 16.7mp. If I can get 10fps, keep the 1.6x for sports, better AF, and 24mp to boot in the $2K range, then I'm in!!!!! No need to adapt to a new shooting style because of the change in crop factor.
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The only real way that Canon is going to plug the hole left by the APS-H sensors for the wildlife and bird photographers who have used the 1D series cameras exclusively for the past 10 years is with a 1D Mark5. Another 7D ain't going to cut it or get much interest, at least with Canon's current sensor technology.
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Since canon reads MY personal responses. And really puts allot of weight behind my opinion.
I think the 7D-11 is a go.
Contact me by e-mail, for the final spec. approval Canon. LOL
Even though BS i love this site.
Keep up the good work guys.
I think the 7D-11 is a go.
Contact me by e-mail, for the final spec. approval Canon. LOL
Even though BS i love this site.
Keep up the good work guys.
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I love the 1d cameras, but the aps-h, was just weird, don't get me wrong, I love it, but it confused me.rbr said:
Anybody with that money for a 1d, should have the money for a super telephoto.
With the 1dx, pros, get the quality from ff they deserve, and the higher fps, that means the will really need to put $$$ in for lenses. But a cheaper 7dii, will have similar features as the 1dx, ok iOS, ok fps, ok focus, just not as good, but they put an aps-c in there for those who love to shoot, but don't make lots of money off of it, or don't want to carry a super telephoto, or, if they're want to go really super-tele. Canon wants to reward the pros with good stuff, but keep the ameutures a step below, with the aps-h, there wasn't a great difference, and pros didn't get what the payed for, since there was a similar 7d gong for 1/4 the price
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SJTstudios said:
Do you mean the APS-H sensor in the 1D Mark IV? If so, how was that a let down? The IQ of the 1D Mark IV whips the crap out of the 7D IQ and yes there is a big difference. The 7D is not similar.
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the 7D is a critical camera in the Canon lineup and I think these rumors are probably in line with what Canon has in mind. The 7D has been the king of APS-C crop bodies for over 3 years now and I'm sure Canon is quite comfortable being in that position.
Canon doesn't have to do much in the way of upgrades here to have another hit. It will most likely continue to have a dual digic configuration so 10fps is easily achievable. I suspect 10fps is achievable in the current 7D but Canon had to keep the fastest burst rate for the flagship 1DIV, no such hurdle there now. Canon seems to be bringing it's A game in af performance so I have no doubt the 7D will be stellar in that regard. 61af points would literally cover the entire screen so I'm thinking 45 af points. Throw in a few extras like f8 af, even better weather seals and possibly higher voltage batteries to really drive the big lenses and the king will easily keep his crown.
As far as the sensor, I'm fine with the 18MP I have today but an increase in resolution is pretty much inevitable. If Canon really does have new sensor tech, the 7DII will most certainly get it, I'm sure Canon is just as tired of hearing the word EXMOR as many of us are.
The Nikon D400 or whatever it will be called will most certainly be sporting the latest jesus sensor from Sony. Honestly, I'm expecting greatly improved noise handling, better high ISO performance and a modest increase in DR but if I were a betting man, Sony will remain the DR king, I'd love to be wrong on that.
Canon doesn't have to do much in the way of upgrades here to have another hit. It will most likely continue to have a dual digic configuration so 10fps is easily achievable. I suspect 10fps is achievable in the current 7D but Canon had to keep the fastest burst rate for the flagship 1DIV, no such hurdle there now. Canon seems to be bringing it's A game in af performance so I have no doubt the 7D will be stellar in that regard. 61af points would literally cover the entire screen so I'm thinking 45 af points. Throw in a few extras like f8 af, even better weather seals and possibly higher voltage batteries to really drive the big lenses and the king will easily keep his crown.
As far as the sensor, I'm fine with the 18MP I have today but an increase in resolution is pretty much inevitable. If Canon really does have new sensor tech, the 7DII will most certainly get it, I'm sure Canon is just as tired of hearing the word EXMOR as many of us are.
The Nikon D400 or whatever it will be called will most certainly be sporting the latest jesus sensor from Sony. Honestly, I'm expecting greatly improved noise handling, better high ISO performance and a modest increase in DR but if I were a betting man, Sony will remain the DR king, I'd love to be wrong on that.
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jaballi said:
Will it get two digic 5+ ? I am not sure. It may get two digic 5 or....will there be a digic 6?
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bdunbar79 said:
The difference is so big that images are impossible to tell apart through about ISO 800, and even at ISO 3200 the difference is less than a stop. Have someone explain to you what "whip the crap out of" and "big difference" mean, because that ain't it.
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nicku said:
Ah yes, APS-H....
* Not enough extra reach to matter for telephoto.
* Not enough extra surface area to matter for high ISO.
* Just enough crop to kill FF UWA lenses, but not enough crop to use APS-C UWA lenses.
APS-H was an odd digital format and a necessary, but less than ideal and therefore temporary, compromise on Canon's part. It should rest in peace.
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