Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]

[nicku]

24MP on a 1.6 crop sensor.... little too much. maybe will be APS-H ;D ;D ;D

i wonder how the DOF will be on a such high resolution APS-C sensor.

 

[stilscream]

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<strong>The 7D Mark II a go?



</strong>Below is a purported spec list for an upcoming EOS 7D Mark II.</p>
<p><strong>Specifications

</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>24MP – an all new sensor with phase AF on chip and noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP.</li>
<li>1Dx/5D3 based AF system.</li>
<li>10 FPS.</li>
<li>ISO 100-25600.</li>
<li>High speed video, with still capture.</li>
<li>Improved durability and sealing.</li>

I could see this as a dslr competitor to the Sony (nex fs700?) high speed $8000 video camera. If it does 240 fps at 1080 or 960fps in lower res...I'd buy it in a heartbeat even if there was little improvement still-picture wise. How fun is slow motion? Very very fun!

 

[nicku]

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<strong>The 7D Mark II a go?



</strong>Below is a purported spec list for an upcoming EOS 7D Mark II.</p>
<p><strong>Specifications

</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>24MP – an all new sensor with phase AF on chip and noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP.</li>
<li>1Dx/5D3 based AF system.</li>
<li>10 FPS.</li>
<li>ISO 100-25600.</li>
<li>High speed video, with still capture.</li>
<li>Improved durability and sealing.</li>

I could see this as a dslr competitor to the Sony (nex fs700?) high speed $8000 video camera. If it does 240 fps at 1080 or 960fps in lower res...I'd buy it in a heartbeat even if there was little improvement still-picture wise. How fun is slow motion? Very very fun!

if will do 60-80 fps at 1080 and 120 fps at 720P will be a big market hit.

 

[AprilForever]

I can see this being about 2500... but 2500 I will be happy to shell out!!!

 

[c.d.embrey]

Seems like, from what I've seen, that both Canon and Nikon are abandoning High-End APS-C. No-one thinks that a 7D2 or a D400 will be here anytime soon. Also there is about as much talk about a future Nikon D7100 as there is about the future Canon 70D.

Photokina will be interesting. Can't wait to see what is AND what isn't announced.

 

[anthony11]

•24MP – an all new sensor with phase AF on chip and noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP.
•1Dx/5D3 based AF system.
•10 FPS
It would be hilarious if it were true and the camera came out in the next six months.
Make it APS-C and wow......
If only.......

If only they'd leave it at no more than 18MP and give us usable ISO6400 and an AF system that works worth a damn, then I'd sell my 5D2 in a heartbeat. Friggin pixels. I don't need more, I need to shoot my kid indoors, where flash is rarely practical, and fast primes are a joke given that one has to stop down to at least f/5.6.

 

[dr croubie]

Sounds good to me... I'll believe the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP," when I see the RAW files, and not a moment sooner. :

I'll believe the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP" waay waay more than I'd believe the "Available this year".

(or at least, i'll believe that the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP" will appear on marketing brochures)

 

[stefsan]

Sounds good to me... I'll believe the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP," when I see the RAW files, and not a moment sooner. :

I'll believe the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP" waay waay more than I'd believe the "Available this year".

(or at least, i'll believe that the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP" will appear on marketing brochures)

I tend to agree that the marketing brouchers will be the place where "noticably lower noise" will be the most noticable. But if Canon manages to deliver such a camera, it will sell like hot cakes. Together with the 5DIII it would make a perfect pair…

 

[anthony11]

Well, you have to admit that the bar isn't very high to offer lower noise than the 7D.

 

[nicku]

Sounds good to me... I'll believe the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP," when I see the RAW files, and not a moment sooner. :

I'll believe the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP" waay waay more than I'd believe the "Available this year".

(or at least, i'll believe that the "noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP" will appear on marketing brochures)

I tend to agree that the marketing brouchers will be the place where "noticably lower noise" will be the most noticable. But if Canon manages to deliver such a camera, it will sell like hot cakes. Together with the 5DIII it would make a perfect pair…

I believe this is the intention.... but ''noticable lower noise'' will come with a price ( in terms of image sharpness and overall camera price; my guess $2499).

 

[bear]

24MP on a 1.6 crop sensor.... little too much. maybe will be APS-H ;D ;D ;D

i wonder how the DOF will be on a such high resolution APS-C sensor.

APS-H + silent serial shooting like 5D3 (maybe 5fps will be possible with APS-H sized mirror and I will buy one even for the price of 5D3

 

[nicku]

24MP on a 1.6 crop sensor.... little too much. maybe will be APS-H ;D ;D ;D

i wonder how the DOF will be on a such high resolution APS-C sensor.

APS-H + silent serial shooting like 5D3 (maybe 5fps will be possible with APS-H sized mirror and I will buy one even for the price of 5D3

The 7D2 WAS/WILL NOT be designed to fit between 5D3 and 60D - 70D. I believe that the next generation of 7D is intended as a direct 1DX sports/action camera backup or baby DSLR. 70D will be upgraded to semipro APS-C. and 7D2 ( whatever the sensor format will be) will be a dedicated sports/action camera cheaper than the flagship 1Dx.

 

[FarQinell]

7D or 70D with 24Mp sensor.

That's fine by me.

Bring it on Canon - asap.

Fannying around with sub 20Mp sensors to suit the zealots here is bad for business!

 

[funkboy]

Weeelll...

Canon released the 5DII September 2008 (Photokina)
Significant firmware upgrade was released in March 2011
Replaced with 5DIII March 2012

7D was released September 2009
Significant firmware upgrade announced in June 2012 & released in August
So I would expect them to give the new firmware until at least March to run its course before replacing the camera, possibly as late as next fall if they really milk it the way they did with the 5DII.

60D was released August 2010
60Da released April 2012
XXd cameras usually have an 18 month refresh cycle with 2 years being the longest so far
Delay between 20Da & 30D was June to February.

My question is "what's coming for Photokina?"
If one were to go strictly on pattern analysis, we'd get a 70D for Photokina & a 7D replacement in the spring (but marketing doesn't have a lot to do with pattern analysis).

Canon & Nikon may be playing a cat & mouse game with the D400 and 7D replacement, each waiting to see who'll tip his hand first so that the other can react to it 6 months later. It may well be that Canon feels it's pretty clear that Nikon will be playing the big MP card again with the 24mp Sony sensor rumored to be in the D400 (I believe that's a good assumption), and different factions in engineering & marketing are undecided as to whether to continue to tout the "fewer better MP" line used since the 1DX launch or launch a higher MP direct competitor for it. Potatokina is looking ripe for a D400 announcement, & C & N usually try to avoid releasing directly competing cameras at the same event.

Personally I think that they'll stick with the 18 megapickle formula that has worked well for them so far, because:

• it will enforce the mantra started with the 1DX
• they want their camera to be as different from the D400 as possible (while still competing for the same market segment) so that they don't have to compete on price alone
• 24mp APS-C would punish most of their current lenses. Any of the cheaper zooms or wide primes on such a sensor would just be stupid.

I hope I'm right...

 

[marekjoz]

"24MP – an all new sensor with phase AF on chip and noticeably lower noise than the current 18MP.
High speed video, with still capture.
Improved durability and sealing."

If there is a hybrid AF as well, then it's a great base for next higher class mirrorless. I think most of next DSLRs will be designed with mirrorless brother in mind. Let them give a new AF modes: birds, sports, kids and family, pets, etc., a viewfinder and with this pixel count, cropping will help a lot.
Such a 7D successor with specs given would be great. So 7d firmware v2 would be market research and stock cleaning?
I'm just afraid that it will have 2 digics as well so no ML on it.

 

[nicku]

The formula for 7D-cathegory seems to be:
-Good AF system
-High framerates
-Good ergonomy
-good video features
-1.6x crop
-xxxD-class image quality (reasonable high-iso performance, high pixel-count offset by hard aa-filtering, worse DR at base ISO than some competitors)

I.e. a sports/wildlife/family-dog camera with a price that allows many "prosumers" to buy it. Now, scaling those features one notch up may, or may not be a good way to predict what Canon will do in the future. I guess that depends on how much money they have made from the 7D classic, how much they believe to make on a future "7Dmk2", what kind of technology advances they are able to deliver, and what they assume that competitors are doing in the timeframe of years.

If Canon was able to do better DR at iso 100, it would have made more sense to do this in the recent high-end cameras (5Dmk3 comes to mind), or even more in a high-MP-count D800 competitor (e.g. landscape). On the other hand, I think that history shows that Canon tends to introduce new sensors on APS-C first, then trickling into the 5D series? A hypothetical 7D with larger sensor size would not be a 7D anymore. God knows what marketing would call it (e.g. 7DX), but for all intents and purposes, the upgrade-path would be complicated enough that it should be considered a new product line (how many 7D users are there who does not rely significantly on EF-S type lenses?)

I take 650D-type image-sensor PDAF for granted in a 7Dmk2. The question is if they would do more/better, or if (more likely) it would be very similar to the 650D in this respect. I am guessing that a lot of interesting (and complex) things could be done by combining on-sensor CDAF/PDAF with the regular AF-sensor at high framerates to produce higher hit-rates for fast, complex movement (after all, that seems to be the main selling-point of the 7D compared to cheaper Canon products and competitors with other distinguishing features).

Canon will not give you "everything for nothing". If you want every feature to be as good as it gets, expect to pay high-end prices. It would be bad business practice for Canon to give a "7Dmk2" the same features as a $8000 camera _unless_ competition gives it no other choice.

-h

Considering the last moves and very credible rumors I believe competition ( Nikon) are starting to give them no choice...

 

[Rodknee]

If Canon were listening to what photographers want, how near is this specification to what 7D users have been asking for in a MkII ?

 

[marekjoz]

If Canon were listening to what photographers want, how near is this specification to what 7D users have been asking for in a MkII ?

Regarding speed, video and MP it's above the desired specification

 

[liquidcool]

While I agree with previous posters who say it's about time for the 70D, it appears Canon has the most room price-wise between the 5D II and the 5D III. In addition, the most reliable Nikon rumor is the low cost FF D600 expected at Photokina. So my bet is still on a 6D to compete with the D600, but priced about $2500 instead of the rumored $2000 for the D600. The 6D was rumored at $2K for a long time, but they'd have to discontinue or slash the price of the 5D II and/or 7D to fit that in. But maybe they'd do that.

 

[Bob Howland]

The specs don't make much sense given (1) the recent 7D firmware upgrade and (2) Canon's recent trend, as seen in the 1Dx and 5D3, to not increase sensor resolution in pro cameras but, rather, improve image quality at higher ISOs. A 24MP Canon APS-C sensor is equivalent to 61MP full frame. That's a lot of pixels. I think 24MP in a 70D is much more likely.