Canon EOS C100 & C500 Coming? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

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<strong>Cinema EOS Grows


</strong>I received some info that 2 new cameras would be talked about at NAB next week in Las Vegas. The names C100 and C500 were mentioned.</p>
<p>One of the cameras being true 4K.</p>
<p><strong>EOSRAW


</strong>Another rumour to appear on other sites and in my inbox is the development of EOSRAW. Apparently it’s recordable to CF cards and is capable of 12bit at 4K.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7825/canon-to-unveil-eosraw-recording-format-new-high-end-camera-specs" target="_blank">Read more at EOSHD</a></strong></p>
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[wickidwombat]

makes more sense to me I'm guessing the C500 is cheaper than the C300
I still dont really get the purpose of the cinema DSLR, producing these EF mount dedicated video cameras
designed to suit video ergonomically makes alot more sense, sure have vid on still cameras for when its needed but surely video dedicated guys must prefer to use something with a form factor designed more around their needs?

 

[HurtinMinorKey]

This is good news. Ill be very happy indeed. Hopefully the prices are proportional to the names:

(c100=1/3*c300 and c500=5/3*c300)

 

[gene_can_sing]

I only do video, and I DON'T want the traditional Camcorder / Video style body. Those are super dated and horrible to use compared to the DSLR form factor which is GREAT.

Think of it this way, would you want to shoot stills with a lunch box style body? NO. Video and photo are no different in how you hold the camera. The DSLR form factor allows you to hand hold a camera nicely. The Lunch Box / Camcorder format requires a rig at all times. SUCKS and is super dated.

That is why the C-300 has a more DSLR form factor, because it's where everything is going.

 

[wickidwombat]

I only do video, and I DON'T want the traditional Camcorder / Video style body. Those are super dated and horrible to use compared to the DSLR form factor which is GREAT.

Think of it this way, would you want to shoot stills with a lunch box style body? NO. Video and photo are no different in how you hold the camera. The DSLR form factor allows you to hand hold a camera nicely. The Lunch Box / Camcorder format requires a rig at all times. SUCKS and is super dated.

That is why the C-300 has a more DSLR form factor, because it's where everything is going.

ah ok thats what i was trying to figure out, I dont do video but to me the DSLR seem a bit clunkt hence why all these aftermarket steady cam rigs etc have been invented to hold the camera and use it in a more video style

though I wasnt refering the the handy cam / camcorder style i was more refering the the layout on proper cinema cameras

 

[gene_can_sing]

Oh Yes, and this is good news. I hope my camera is finally going to come. I have a good chunk of money for it that is just waiting.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

This is good news. Ill be very happy indeed. Hopefully the prices are proportional to the names:

(c100=1/3*c300 and c500=5/3*c300)

With Canon, the lower model numbers have higher prices. A C100 might be3/1 or 3 X the price of a C300 while a C500 is 3/5 the price.

 

[JR]

So are we saying the C100 or C500 might have the form factor of a DSLR? Because they will be called C100 and C500, I assume they are certainly aimed at the still market in any shape or form. This is starting to feel like Canon is betting a lot on the Video pro segment - maybe even more then on the Photo Pro segment!

 

[Christian_Stella]

The only thing perplexing about this is how they could make a lower end c300? What could they take out that would give it any chance of competing in the market? 5d3 resolved detail with XLR inputs?

 

[AG]

Heres hoping that the C100 is the DSLR hybrid (hmmm 1D body.... C100.... could work?)

Then the C500 could be this monster $35k 4K ARRI/Red challenger we heard about yesterday.

As for camera rigs, the main reason they use them is due to centre of gravity/balance when filming hand held. Its much easier to be balanced when the camera is closer to your body. Hence the reason why shoulder mount rigs try to do just that.

A lot of modern cameras are starting to take the design concepts of the DSLR and use them in their new video camera designs.
On saying that though, look at the new FS700 from Sony, its kept the same crap box shape and form factor of the FS100 (don't even get me started on the button lay out).

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

With Canon, lower numbered models are the high end ones. A C100 would likely be a flagship model while a C500 a low end model. Perhaps a 5D MK III sensor with high end body fast frame rates and 4K??

 

[HurtinMinorKey]

The only thing perplexing about this is how they could make a lower end c300? What could they take out that would give it any chance of competing in the market? 5d3 resolved detail with XLR inputs?

Exactly. An un-nerfted 5dmkiii could do wonders. It still wont have the DR of the c300, but it could certainly place itself on-top of all the existing dslr's out there.

Remember, the c300's biggest selling point is it's ease of use, and the IQ right out of the camera.

 

[AG]

With Canon, lower numbered models are the high end ones. A C100 would likely be a flagship model while a C500 a low end model. Perhaps a 5D MK III sensor with high end body fast frame rates and 4K??

True for Photography but could it be possible for them to change that with the Cinema EOS segment?

I have a feeling the low end will be a C300 but with limited outputs (no HD:SDI for example), basically what you find on the side of the 1D series currently. It will have the same 1080p C300 sensor but crammed into a 1D style body, with EF mount only.

 

[JR]

In any case it will be interesting to see how this pan out over the next few weeks once the official announcement is done...

 

[jpmitch83]

I only do video, and I DON'T want the traditional Camcorder / Video style body. Those are super dated and horrible to use compared to the DSLR form factor which is GREAT.

Think of it this way, would you want to shoot stills with a lunch box style body? NO. Video and photo are no different in how you hold the camera. The DSLR form factor allows you to hand hold a camera nicely. The Lunch Box / Camcorder format requires a rig at all times. SUCKS and is super dated.

That is why the C-300 has a more DSLR form factor, because it's where everything is going.

I don't limit myself to one form factor. It depends on the job. I can understand if your doing small production and held type things, not if your doing studio work or location shoots with elaborate lighting schemes the form factor of the camera is a nonissue since I am going to have a full rig on it anyway. The weight of the lenses I used this morning probably average 4.5 pounds (2kg) which throws the form factor of the MkIIIs we were shooting without the window. Not to mention the dollies, cranes, and jibs we threw them on for a few of the moving shots. So yes if all you do is guerilla style then I can understand you not wanting a traditional camcorder body. The form factor is null for a lot of the pro's out there because of what we are doing with these new cameras. Also if I am shooting ENG i would want a larger body camera shooting a press conference, concert, or theater show, something along those lines would get old real quick and because the SLRs will never go beyond that 29 minute limit because tax issues in Europe that's not going to change. Not too mention after shooting for an hour or two and your the wide static on something you get board and throw into auto and grab a chair.

 

[gene_can_sing]

That's the beauty of the DSLR is that it's as small as you want or you can rig it up to make it huge.

I've used the FS-100 and the AF-101 and it's pretty much a rig only type deal. I've also worked on shoots where the Epic was being used and that's obviously a tripod only camera.

For myself, I shoot a lot with different rigs, but I also like the handheld look a lot; and for that, nothing beats a DSLR.

Now I can understand if you are using some Cooke PL primes, you need a heavy camera to balance out the lenses. But if you have the budget for those type of lenses, you're probably not going to be shooting on a DSLR, or even an FS-100. you're probably going to be on REDs or Alexas (which are for very specific uses)

I think for general, all around usage on a camera that you can buy (not the Epic or the Alexa, at least for my budget), the DSLR format is much better than the traditional video format.

Personally, I like the DSLR format much better than the FS-100 which I feel has weak ergonomics.

 

[AG]

That's the beauty of the DSLR is that it's as small as you want or you can rig it up to make it huge.

I've used the FS-100 and the AF-101 and it's pretty much a rig only type deal. I've also worked on shoots where the Epic was being used and that's obviously a tripod only camera.

For myself, I shoot a lot with different rigs, but I also like the handheld look a lot; and for that, nothing beats a DSLR.

Now I can understand if you are using some Cooke PL primes, you need a heavy camera to balance out the lenses. But if you have the budget for those type of lenses, you're probably not going to be shooting on a DSLR, or even an FS-100. you're probably going to be on REDs or Alexas (which are for very specific uses)

I think for general, all around usage on a camera that you can buy (not the Epic or the Alexa, at least for my budget), the DSLR format is much better than the traditional video format.

Personally, I like the DSLR format much better than the FS-100 which I feel has weak ergonomics.

+1 Agreed.

 

[cayenne]

The only thing perplexing about this is how they could make a lower end c300? What could they take out that would give it any chance of competing in the market? 5d3 resolved detail with XLR inputs?

Exactly. An un-nerfted 5dmkiii could do wonders. It still wont have the DR of the c300, but it could certainly place itself on-top of all the existing dslr's out there.

Remember, the c300's biggest selling point is it's ease of use, and the IQ right out of the camera.

If this was the case...how much would you think an "un-nerfted" 5Dmkiii cost do you think? When would you think it would make it to market?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

The only thing perplexing about this is how they could make a lower end c300? What could they take out that would give it any chance of competing in the market? 5d3 resolved detail with XLR inputs?

+1

that would seem to just be a way to really insure the 5D3 stays crippled and the 5D4 becomes a non-starter all while accomplishing not much with their C500, or so it would seem

 

[tjc320]

I only do video, and I DON'T want the traditional Camcorder / Video style body. Those are super dated and horrible to use compared to the DSLR form factor which is GREAT.

Think of it this way, would you want to shoot stills with a lunch box style body? NO. Video and photo are no different in how you hold the camera. The DSLR form factor allows you to hand hold a camera nicely. The Lunch Box / Camcorder format requires a rig at all times. SUCKS and is super dated.

That is why the C-300 has a more DSLR form factor, because it's where everything is going.

Let me know when you get good footage from using a DSLR handheld. You need a rig no matter what, especially with a DSLR. Video and photo are both different with how you hold a camera, that is, unless you shoot video with your eye against the LCD or photos using the LCD rather than the viewfinder.

What pros want is features and it's simply not possible to fit all the needed features on a DSLR (they hardly fit on the C300)

From the day the Cinema DSLR was announced I have been saying that the DSLR form factor should be tossed out the window. I'm guessing the DLSR form factor works perfect for you so maybe the 5DMIII would be a good purchase over a C-line camera.